Share christ as in talk about the gospel?

I don't know how to tell him actually. Jesus is a really touchy subject. Talking anything about God brings up a ton of past hurts. If the person sudah stress I might just make them even more afraid.

Even though I lost my earthly father, I will never lose my Heavenly Father.

I know that.

Are you scolding me? 

Matthew 10:29?

I think the most important thing is to serve God, and not man.

Its good that you don't feel bitter. Why am I not surprised that there's young people in church who's behaving like that?

We can always migrate to another church but when will it stop?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for the inspirational video UW.

I feel much better today. I'm ready for a new challenge in life. Will be going to China next week with my mum.

Yeah dude, everything will be alright.

What a wonderful God that we have!!

Isaiah 42:16 (NIV) - I will lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them; I will turn the darkness into light before them and make the rough places smooth. These are the things I will do; I will not forsake them.

I have encountered people like that too and they claimed that they are Christian. I won't say which denomination..

I have even heard of stories about pastor which make the congregations served till they dropped, kron_ka. Again, I won't say which denomination..

My question is don't these people have any sense of humility? I think they are proud and blind.

Now why would they bind themselves to the law?

How would we set them free since they are so stubborn?

How about stubborn Christians?

Fire brand preachers! Like those Cult groups in America. 

2 Thessalonians 3:3 (KJV) - But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

Jia You comes from Hong Kong culture. China people also say that.

People stop and stare when car accidents because they want to get the 4 ekor plate number for gambling purposes.

Unfortunately there are a lot of crazy herds at church. I can say a lot of churches subscribe to this SERVING WITHOUT LOVE mentality or as UW puts it, WORKS FOR RITUALS AND LAW WITHOUT GRACE.

I am very saddened, I have visited many churches and find this kind of culture so prevalent at churches especially Mega Churches. I have retreated to a smaller church with a bunch of tired and worn out members of my old church.

Tina, you got to be careful although I don't think your church is like this because its a Baptist church?

If you are a member of a football squad that plays by the LAW, whether you like it or not, you will play by their tune. If you play by the new redemption promises of Jesus, you will be ignored and treated as an outcast by members of your team. Thats why its so easy to get burn out. They keep on pouring Guilt on to you, telling you, you not serving enough, you not giving enough and you not good enough.

Come on, we're all saved and cleansed from our sins. You know what my church does during Holy Communion? They tell us that we got to cleanse ourselves of our sins before we take the communion. Whoa, whats wrong with the Pastor? He got his doctrine wrong? Jesus already cleansed us of our sins...why we need to cleanse further before communion???

I see.

How about de1929 ramblings? He's the oddball around here. IDK if he's into Old or New, but his thinking is out of this world. 

Its not just that people like to see accidents because they are kepo..they want to know that they are better off than the victims of accident.

Its indoctrination. Whether you want or not to be concern, if you go to a church that preaches guilt and works, as UW says (i concur), you will be bondage by guilt.

I can't stand the indoctrination, go to cell group also, the leader tell you to go for this course (brainwash you to give and serve more but giving and serving out of self centeredness unkindness) that course..if you don't comply, you will kena boikot. Every cg meeting, the leader will preach about what the lead pastor said..more guilt pour onto you, telling you must serve serve and serve without love. I see the members of the church, go there talk to them, also get nasty replies. Most of them are unfriendly and this surely doesn't reflect Jesus transformation in their life. There is so much of grief, anger, ego, self disbelief, unforgiveness, self righteousness, bitterness, guilt, defensiveness, etc in their hearts. It won't be long, you will become one of them, tired and dragged believer.

Its just so negative, some of my friends when they attend the sermon, they come out feeling worst, bad and sorrow. Thats why we decided not to come back.

Well, I told you he's stubborn as a donkey.

I don't get why he want to seek so much attention? Does he win anything by doing all that? 

Oh yeah, IF his thread is the true Christian thread, how come its so lukewarm in response? 

You should give up on him. But he's nice enough to wish me condolences. I'll give him that.

Other than that, sigh. Bapak de1929 sudah gila sih? Dia omong omong kosong sendiri dong. 

Gue sudah bilang bapak de1929 otaknya sewel.

Orang gila bisa bilang mereka sewel. Badannya sihat tapi otaknya sewel dong.

I want to ask, who is Son of Perdition? Is it The Antichrist?

Yes spot on brother.

This is the very reason why every time I feel so lethargic going to church, its like the pastor is saying, I am never good enough, I got to keep on going to altar call for prayer over and over again, I am always bad in the eyes of God. This is why they want us to give more time and money to the church. I don't there's anything wrong with giving to the church, that's what I want to do, but I do not want to give my time to a church that blackmails me with guilt and tells me that I need to serve more to cleanse my guilt and sins.

No wonder I don't feel redeem every time I go on Sunday sermons. Even my brothers and sisters at the church are always unfriendly, self righteous, unforgiving, insecure and egoistical. I realize there is something wrong with the church if the people there are indoctrinated this way. Serve by all means and don't bother about other people. After all, thats what we christians are set apart from the rest because we are ACCOUNTABLE to each other. Isn't that correct to say? I recalled last time at youth church in Australia, some of us failed our exams, the pastor was angry at us, because he said we weren't accountable to each other, we all went out, hung out but never encouraged each other to study. He was right. But in this case, of my church, most of the brothers didn't care what happened to each other.

There was a time when I was serving in a ministry project...after it completed, we had like a farewell party at a friend's house. I was sitting at the dining table, chatting away with a few brothers, then one brother told us how depressed he was, he said he wanted to jump down a tall building to suicide, i was utterly shocked. The other brothers didn't bother about him. I did contacted him a few times to check on him but he either didn't pick up the phone or he said he was ok. I told his cg leader about what the dude said. But the cg leader didn't bother about him. Where is the accountability???? It seems nobody cares, just serve serve and serve.

I hear of a story of a brother who gave all his inheritance to the church, he also gave all his time. Then one day he lost his job and he is quite an elderly person. He went up to the pastor and ask for help. The pastor just prayed for him and tell him he has to serve more ! I mean, this is so unreasonable, the concept of give give and give, don't expect to receive. This pastor of a congregation of 3,000 people, don't tell me, he doesn't know people with businesses whom he can network and provide employment to this dude who has been giving so much to the church. Sorry I not sure where to quote in any verse, correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe God wants us to be happy. So He also wants us to take ! Yes, take his kingdom !!!! for ourselves !!!! When I hear the church people telling me how selfish I am, saying i should give and not expect anything back, I mean, what the heck? What are they preaching here??? GUILT? I am a child of God, He is my ABBA FATHER, He loves me, He will surely want me to take His blessings. I don't deserve that? I at least deserve that.

Everything at this church is about guilt...even the holy communion tell us we're not good enough for God.

Its true I should focus on Jesus.

Its hard though when the leadership has gotten it all wrong. I mean of course their think their intentions are for the good of the church. But it is really discouraging, demoralizing and affecting my walk, when the leadership kept emphasizing to serve is to cleanse our sins.

Its a wonder that I've been at this church since 2006 and never really felt touched by the sermons. The sermons don't reflect the love of Jesus.