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prophetjul
post Mar 9 2015, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:31 AM)
It's a concert tour on their latest album, they travelling need cost too as well as accommodation and food all by organisers so the team actually does not earn much but the organiser is earning
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Still...........worship or concert?

Using the name of the Lord for merchandising?

Why not free offering? Have faith IF they are preaching faith. God will provide. Dont be like the heathens charging tickets! wink.gif
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:39 AM)
Let me ask you one simple question, you attend the free concert, when come to offering time how much you willing to give? Rm 100 or rm 10?

If everyone give rm 100 for offering or more then it's not an issue but if 50% of the concert goers give only rm 50 and below how are they going to recoup their expenses then?

It's a concert tour not worship
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Its a concert..much like the world type except they are marketing the name of Jesus. nod.gif

So is it Christian or not?
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:50 AM)
It's a christian concert, nowadays preaching the gospel is not like last time in the olden days where we held gospel service in the church, the youth mind has evolved so the way we preach the word of God need to change too. If you asked your children or your relative children those in the 20's to their 30's ask them to go to gospel service in the church and listened to pastor sermon for one hour let see howmany willing to go?

And ask them go to christian concert I am sure many of them will surely go
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Except you have to pay.

How is the gospel preached? Is it by the word of God or music? Music does not convict a sinner. The word of God does that.
Do you believe that?

IF it is an evangelistic concert why cant the churches bear the costs? Why do you allow an organiser to charge exorbitant tickets to get in?
The organiser is making merchandise of the sheeple like thia. No different from the heathen music industry.
Is that Christian?
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:54 AM)
Old people old thinking, never accept reform or modernisation
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i was involved with organizing Christian events involving lots of money and costs.
In the end, when we made a loss, our committee looked for sponsors to cover.
If we made profit, we take the money out and donate it to Christian organisations eg Prison Fellowship, etc.

No profiteering on the name of the Lord. This is Christian ethics. Old fashion accountability and protection against greed.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Mar 9 2015, 11:59 AM
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post Mar 9 2015, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:59 AM)
It's not an evangelistic concert it's a tour concert by Hillsong team Not the church shakehead.gif
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But you mentioned preaching the gospel. What is it now?

If its is a heathen concert, then its OK. BUT dont use the name of the Lord in vain. Merchandising the name is bad.

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post Mar 9 2015, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 12:03 PM)
Preaching the gospel via music you got it it's like 2 in 1
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BUT you said its not evangelistic!

Think you are mightily confused! blink.gif

If its evangelistic, the church should organise and manage the costs.

If its not, then its not a Christian event. This organizers should not merchandise the name of the LORD! AND the church should be warned to stay away.

So what is it?
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post Mar 9 2015, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 01:15 PM)
As I said this is not evangelistic events it's a concert and they spread the good news via music, there is no preaching or any pastor preaching in the event
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post Mar 9 2015, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Mar 9 2015, 01:00 PM)
I think Deluffy is not in a position to speak on behalf of the organizer.

It really doesn't matter if it's for commercial or for evangelizing.
Who are we to impose on the organizer?
if they think they can make a profit and at the same time expose some people to the goodness of God through music, then so be it.

We can call it profiteering but who made us the judge? Let God be the judge.

Paul said in Phil 1:18
18What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice,

If we like, we can go watch too, if not, just stay away, not necessary to make a fuss.
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God gave us a brain to discern. We are not created to be foolish.
Why should a Christian event be the same as the world's as far as principle goes?
Why should they make merchandise of the Lord's good name? And at the same time make

Taking the name of the Lord in vain, perhaps?

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12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

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post Mar 9 2015, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Mar 9 2015, 02:40 PM)
We are not in possession of all the facts why things are being done as they are.

There may be considerations we are not aware of.

To pass judgement without all the facts is at best, unwise.

So leave it to God to judge.
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i believe we have the following:

a) Tickets are sold for the concert
b) Prices are exorbitant. Similar to the worldly concerts


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c) The name of the Lord has been used in this market.
d) Marketer is a secular company

http://www.ticketcharge.com.my/en/componen...other-name-tour

Yes. God will be the ultimate judge. However, we are to discern and make a call. Dont be sheeple
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post Mar 11 2015, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 10 2015, 08:56 PM)
few days ago we have a heated arguement between prophetjul and unknownwarrior about new and old testament......

here is my take on the issue, the old covenant via the old testament is solely laid out for the Jews while we Gentiles or Christians are saved via the New covenant or New Testament........... and i have said previously both covenant is coexist alongside
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It wasn't about the OT and NT.

It was about Grace and Law.

The OT does not equate Law. That"s a fallacy. Grace has been shown by God throughout the OT.
The OT saints are saved through their faith in God and thus accorded righteousness. Hebs 11

NO ONE is saved by the law. Thats not the purpose of the law.
Neither are you saved by the New Testament! You are saved by grace of God through Faith in the Lord Jesus.
Its the same through out the OT and NT. God's salvation plan is the same.
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post Mar 11 2015, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 11 2015, 10:08 AM)
Please forgive me if I offended you in my writing here, when I said OT is way for the Jews to be saved, I meant it. However Jesus did also said I did not come to abolish the laws(OT)  but to renew it. (NT)

OT coexist with new testament because they complete each other as new testament is the fulfilment of the old testament,

Old testament help us to understand The Lord and what He wanted us to follow and obey which was eventually in the new testament Jesus come to earth as a mortal to spread God love to the Jews and gentiles but however the Jews rejected Jesus
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No

The Jews were not saved by obeying the law. Jesus came not to abolish the law but fulfil it. The word fulfil here is to bring enlightenment to it.
Thats why He preached and expounded on the spirit of the law.

The sermon on the mount:

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed * the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. 21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill ; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say , Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery : 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

On the salvation of Jews in the OT, its the same as any of us.
Salvation is by Faith In God through His grace. Rom 4, Heb 11


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post Mar 20 2015, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Mar 19 2015, 11:50 PM)
was ur papa a believer too?  unsure.gif

prophetjul lost his mom last year. maybe he can advice u on how to cope.

God Bless
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We had no problems.

We were believers. Afterall this life is temporal. Theres nothing to bring along here except your relationship with the Lord.
My mum knew where she was going, to Jesus. We knew where she was going.
We are all at peace.
Even when she was suffering from cancer, God in his grace took all pain away. Same was my dad in 1997. Cancer, no pain.

To God be the Glory!

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