Nevermind about what sin really is, it is still obvious that the bible is illustrating love and wisdom as the cure to evil and corruption.

This post has been edited by loud: May 11 2015, 01:17 PM

Mindfulness is hinted in almost every religion, just different in method or stressing point. It is a universal principle for gradually shifting the paradigm to go against the stream of unfavorable mental construct.


Edit... sorry must have misread you again.
Because mindfulness and concentration has different cultivation levels and it is not easy to train to perfection.


This is of course based on your own inference. Taming the lustful mind is never an easy thing therefore it is not surprising to see the failure of most practitioners. But that does not mean it does not help them one bit in lessening those tendencies.


This post has been edited by loud: May 11 2015, 01:45 PM

Ok Thanks.

Hey guys.
Any church in Subang area to recommend?
Not too big and loud like City Harvest.

But maybe a decent small-mid sized church, with good strong theological foundations, but not super scarily orthodox-ed.
A church that, for lack of a better description, keeps up with the times.

Don't mind any denomination, as long as it's not some way far off deviant cult. I'm 22y/o from a baptist background, leaning towards protestant/reformist teachings.

Actually from a bigger and longer perspective, the cure to evil and corruption is to be restore back to God. Why?

Because the essence of all that is good and life itself is only found in God.

If Man wants to do this apart from God, there will only be failures. There is no utopia with Man. But with God all things are possible. Can be seen from the history of Man and is proven for so many eons since the beginning of time, everything that Man tried has failed. That is why until today, evil only grows and it will get worse. This is one physical evidence nobody can deny.

As such there is a need to be restored back to God to be empowered.

And if you're honest, you know that Man is flawed in many ways. Religion is about Man. This gospel that we share is about restoration back to God and having that firm relationship as the foundation.

This may seem alien to you because you think there is no need for God, you're a self made Man. I wish you all the best in your journey. You can keep trying.

We have seen the truth and have tasted the truth. I can say as much as this. This is no assurance in all the religions of this world. Only with God there is assurance of Salvation.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 11 2015, 01:50 PM

There are several churches within that vicinity and not limited to the following:

- First Baptist Church, SS17 (near SMK SS17)
- City Discipleship Presbyterian Church, SS15 (in Subang Square)
- Christ Evangelical Reformed Church, Sunway (near Taylor's Uni)

This post has been edited by ObeLIsK: May 11 2015, 01:52 PM

Aiya you quote me before i edit

But all i see about God as written in the bible is as what Mr Dawkins said;

Not that i want to believe him but the evidence is clear as the sky. Unless...the bible is the fictional words of man.

That's because dawkins read the Bible like anyone else who doesn't have the spirit of God residing in him, of course. He wouldn't know how to find truth hidden the revelation of God's word.

For example; The moment Adam and Eve sinned against God, immediately God executed a Salvation plan for mankind.

That alone is already in the book Genesis, that alone debunks Dawkin's idea of God, more like his own imagination of a God he does not know, so he cooks up one not according to his own understanding.

if you read my latest devotion, that too debunks hawkins idea of who God really. If you read the story of the prodigal son, again that debunks dawkin's idea of God.

All the horrible things that has happened in the OT is the result of Man's pride and arrogance when they choose to reject God's grace and want to justify themselves via self righteousness effort or the Man's performance.*

All of it, whatever keyword you want to use (like the bears the children who died, the flood, etc etc), this * basically sums it up ALL.

Like I said, put anything in the hands of Man, because Man is flawed, it's bound to fail. I think I've quoted this to you many times already. And this example is magnified in dawkin's understanding of the Bible.

That is why I told you, restoration to God is very much needed.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 11 2015, 02:51 PM

You can try methodist church in sbg jaya but I'm not very sure of their location

Correct.

Just that some Sunday school classes are teaching girls to literally follow the old testament that bothers me.

I think it's alright, because Sunday School teaches at the very basic. The Law after all is very basic. As they grow older, they must teach the next level which is by Faith and Grace. Those 2 are the deeper stuff.

The Law always stands on it's own to lead every believers to Christ, why I say this because sooner or later every believer will find it frustrating trying to keep the law when they realize they can't. So at that pivotal moment, they need to ask teachers and understand what is God's Grace all about and who is Jesus Christ.

As long as the Church teaches the entire counsel of God's word, it should be alright. I just hope they don't teach that they must keep to the Law under the New Covenant even at the older age after graduating from Sunday School, That would be erroneous.

yes. i am also waiting.. brings me comfort when i know that even each strand of my hair is counted so let's wait patiently

methodist?

Oh. If that's the case then it's part of step by step then.

Ahaha UW I never went to much Sunday school before. The church closed down when I was 6-8, so my memories of what I learned in class is super hazy.

Loads of denial. Dawkins may or may not find some hidden truth but he is not wrong for sure. Genesis 3 precisely fit Dawkins words. God can just forgive everyone and kept the tree away so that all their offspring remained innocent like teletubbies.


I don't see the story of the prodigal son answer anything because the father hardly symbolize God. God is omniscient and omnipotent, He can choose not to risk anyone for damnation. As you yourself agree that the nature of man is full of errors, it means the probability for human to stray from the right path is extremely high but God seems to aggravate it.

Even those angels in heaven who met God can disobey what more for earthly human who never had a glimpse of Him. In fact, sending Jesus and all the prophets did not happen to save the day, it makes things more complicated...more people to hell (Romans 5:13)

Furthermore how can we say it is a good thing when eternal heaven comes with the cost of eternal hell. All this mess should have been undone from the beginning.

P/s Bear in mind what you wrote in your latest devotion is not exlcusive to believers of Christ. So how do you know it is the grace/answer from the one and only God and not wishful thinking and luck? Do i sound like danokchonger...

> Sees the name Dawkins.
> Close window immediately.

I have said elsewhere that unbelievers are like 3 year olds asking questions whose answers, if given, they have no capacity to understand and we believers are like 4 year olds trying to answer the questions with the little knowledge we do have.

God is a just God as much as He is a loving God.
We do not understand the scales of Universal Justice.
Had there been an easier way, God surely would have used it.

Why did God have to send Jesus as the sacrifice for sin?
Why not wave his magic wand and say, I pronounced you forgiven?

Is there a greater purpose at work here?

CS Lewis in his Narnia chronicles and his Perelandra trilogy explored these ideas.
No one knows if he is right or wrong.

What we do know is that we live in a fallen world.
Just look around you.

We also know we will die one day.
What happens next depends on your decision in this life.

I can also tell you that every objection to accepting God's provision for redemption can be traced back to one root. Pride.

The original sin was rooted in pride.
Man wanted to be like God. He wanted to determine his own destiny.

The devil also fell because of pride.

12 “How dyou are fallen from heaven,

O Day Star, son of Dawn!

How you are cut down to the ground,

you who laid the nations low!

13 You said in your heart,

‘I will ascend to heaven;

above the stars of God

I will set my throne on high;

I will sit on the mount of assembly

in the far reaches of the north;

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;

I will make myself like the Most High.’
Isaiah 14:12–14

However, God made it clear that it is not possible for man to work out his own salvation.

6For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. Isaiah 64:6

What we think doesn't really matter, just like insisting that the earth is flat wouldn't change it from being a sphere.

At the end of the day, the choice is still ours.
Believe and repent or risk the consequences as stated in the Bible.


oops I forgot to address the teletubbies question!

This post has been edited by yaokb: May 11 2015, 10:28 PM

Another round of testimony from me and my family.

Just checked online for result on 12may 12 someting am just now
and again God the Yeshua has scored my exam result again. 2 As for my major and B for my TITAS for last sem
result.

AND even more
is my father has been recovering since his protrate enlargement surgery
his enlargement was VERY BIG but Thank God even though very big, biopsy showed
NO CANCER. This is the finger oF God specifically Yeshua Of Nazareth's work.

I praise his NAME FOREVER MORE. GLORY TO HIM.

on another note, my mother's suspected diabetic or foreign object caused
blister will be HEALED IN JESUS NAME. In time i will testify for my mother's healing of her toe which
is for months have not been healed but will SOON through CHRIST our LORD and savior.

AMEN AMEN AMEN.

Amen!

got d got d....i am baking a cake at her house, and present it to her mom for mother's day gift