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post Jan 29 2015, 07:32 PM

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Would be good to submit and if possible, get it under accepted or published status before submitting your thesis. This may help you in terms of significance of work.
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post Jan 29 2015, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(mycolumn @ Jan 29 2015, 10:15 PM)
hmm, alright. I was thinking the same too. Do you know how long the process of submission to a journal till the review/acceptance/rejection normally takes?
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Depends on the editor office actually. You can refer to the 1st page of your referenced paper.

Here's a timeline sample of my paper in Elsevier:

Received 12 February 2013
Received in revised form 28 April 2013
Accepted 2 May 2013
Available online 11 May 2013
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QUOTE(mycolumn @ Jan 29 2015, 10:29 PM)
wow. that's fast!  nod.gif  thumbup.gif
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Some tips, look for journals with a large pool of reviewers or that publishes regularly eg. once per month or every two months.
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post Jan 30 2015, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Jan 30 2015, 07:19 AM)
Wouldn't it be more important to publish your work in a journal with high impact factor?
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They come hand in hand. More often than not, reputable journals will have a large pool of experts who are more likely to accept to review the papers.

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post Jan 30 2015, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jan 30 2015, 09:46 AM)
For ISI and/or scopus, you need to wait upward of 1 year or even more for reviews and the rate of rejection is quite high, especially for quarterly journal.
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I don't quite agree on this part. So far, all my ISI listed journals are published in less than a year. As I have pointed out above, a good editorial office will be able to process at a faster rate as they have strict guideline and timeline for their reviewers. I do agree that rejection rate for quarterly or biannually journals are higher.

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post Jan 30 2015, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jan 30 2015, 10:22 AM)
"upward" of 1 year does include less than 1 year fyi. I have a paper sent on late March 2014 and until now I am still awaiting review.
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Ah sorry, understood. Try to email the editor to check on its status.
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post Jan 30 2015, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jan 30 2015, 10:55 AM)
Nah, no problem. I did send few emails but they replied it is their common standard for multiple cross-review. It is a quarterly and sub-100 ISI journal after all.
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All the best. Can you elaborate on what do you mean by sub-100 ISI? Is that their classification method?
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post Jan 30 2015, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jan 30 2015, 11:30 AM)
sub-100 basically means top 100 journals in related fields (ranked annually). It is not an official classification category but the term is commonly used and widely recognized as the "best" journals around. They carry extra weight in deciding, for example, university ranking and achievement of researcher.
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Maybe some further clarification. It is ranked by your institution or by ISI or other organization? Thanks
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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jan 30 2015, 11:46 AM)
It is ranked based on their citation impact factors by T-R under their annual Journal Citation Reports.
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Okay, now I know which listing you are referring too. Thanks!
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post Jan 30 2015, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jan 30 2015, 11:49 AM)
You're welcome. BTW I might need some advice on publishing on these sub-100 journals. Have you done so before?
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I have no access to JCR so I am unable to check whether the journals are in the sub-100 or not. The highest IF that I have achieved so far is 3.171 (SCImago Indicator 2.21) in engineering field. Anyway, we are here to share. So do post your concerns, me or others may be able to chip in.

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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jan 30 2015, 01:28 PM)
Not sure about engineering but 3.171 is pretty high. How long for your paper to be accepted (after all cross-review)?
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For the 2 papers below, between 3-4 months.

Received 20 March 2014
Accepted 22 May 2014

Received 12 January 2010
Accepted 15 April 2010

Once accepted, it takes about a week for so to be available online at sciencedirect.
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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jan 30 2015, 01:40 PM)
Wow that is rather quick. I rarely see such fast acceptance in my field, especially for ISI indexed journals.
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What is your field? Perhaps the experts in your field are limited hence the lengthy time.

Fast processing period is quite common for engineering.

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post May 20 2015, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(KarenLow @ May 20 2015, 07:44 AM)
wow, im a newbie here, sorry but not to be rude just curious what's your topic about?
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On Material science
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post May 20 2015, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(Ph 7.00 @ May 20 2015, 09:01 AM)
IMO, publication is controversial when you go for outside publishers. I mean you work so hard and you are handing over the copyright to someone doing nothing else but managing the database and profiteering. The authors suppose to receive royalty for each purchase but this doesn't happen. This is unfair and ridiculous.

Not to forget, the grants you received are tax-payers' money and basically most of you deliver nothing back to them which is embarrassing and non-productive acts. This is however, has become the disease of academicians in Malaysia. They become delusional and jokes since what actually they are doing in research is just a wasteful consumption, unlike professionals on the real fields which really move things.

This also surfaces the term called self-plagiarism when you publish before thesis submission. My suggestion is to publish local and forget the impact factor which is just a number purposely created for rat race and they are happy when you become obsess with it. Just put a number and they are richer. If your work really has value, don't be afraid, it will talk itself whenever it is published. If it doesn't, I can understand why you do want to share.

Another aspect is, if you have found a mountain of gold (breakthrough), are you even going to publish and let the outsiders have their hands into the pool and claim rights? or are you going to reserve it for your community or future business that will benefit the local. This is why commercial study never publish their works.

inb4: I did publish few papers. Impact factor >4 but no way after this.

What say you?
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Unfortunately, that is the reality. For postgraduates, papers are given very high attention by their supervisors and to some extent, examiners. For academicians, papers are included in their KPI for promotion and bonuses. Rat race, as you call it.
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post Aug 13 2015, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 13 2015, 11:34 AM)
Sorry, I just read this thread with interest and was wondering, how could you submit your paper for publication before completion of your paper?

And also, why would you do that because if you submit your paper before completion. Another person could make a bigger breakthrough before you finish your paper for submission of PhD.

Forgive me for this noob question. Just started application for my PhD and am curious about such matters.

Also guys, is publication of paper a requirement for PhD Graduation?
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Hi, i meant submit paper before submission of thesis. For example, different chapters in your thesis may cover some different aspect, so while working on chapter 4 scope for example, results covered by chapter 3 could be sent for the review process. Even when your paper is published, it will be under your name but true, someone could potentially make a bigger breakthrough. Personally, I think the best way is to time so that the status is accepted but not published yet although some journals are very efficient in uploading the manuscript before proof correction too.

However, you may also refer to several posts above about self plagiarism which is on another perspective. Some institutions have publication requirements, while some supervisors will insist on publication too, so you need to check this with your university/supervisor.

 

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