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post Jan 30 2015, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 30 2015, 11:36 AM)
Maybe some further clarification. It is ranked by your institution or by ISI or other organization? Thanks
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It is ranked based on their citation impact factors by T-R under their annual Journal Citation Reports.
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post Jan 30 2015, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jan 30 2015, 11:46 AM)
It is ranked based on their citation impact factors by T-R under their annual Journal Citation Reports.
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Okay, now I know which listing you are referring too. Thanks!
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 30 2015, 11:48 AM)
Okay, now I know which listing you are referring too. Thanks!
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You're welcome. BTW I might need some advice on publishing on these sub-100 journals. Have you done so before?
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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jan 30 2015, 11:49 AM)
You're welcome. BTW I might need some advice on publishing on these sub-100 journals. Have you done so before?
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I have no access to JCR so I am unable to check whether the journals are in the sub-100 or not. The highest IF that I have achieved so far is 3.171 (SCImago Indicator 2.21) in engineering field. Anyway, we are here to share. So do post your concerns, me or others may be able to chip in.

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 30 2015, 12:04 PM)
I have no access to JCR so I am unable to check whether the journals are in the sub-100 or not. The highest IF that I have achieved so far is 3.171 (SCImago Indicator 2.21) in engineering field. Anyway, we are here to share. So do post your concerns, me or others may be able to chip in.
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Not sure about engineering but 3.171 is pretty high. How long for your paper to be accepted (after all cross-review)?
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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jan 30 2015, 01:28 PM)
Not sure about engineering but 3.171 is pretty high. How long for your paper to be accepted (after all cross-review)?
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For the 2 papers below, between 3-4 months.

Received 20 March 2014
Accepted 22 May 2014

Received 12 January 2010
Accepted 15 April 2010

Once accepted, it takes about a week for so to be available online at sciencedirect.
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Wow that is rather quick. I rarely see such fast acceptance in my field, especially for ISI indexed journals.

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Wow that is rather quick. I rarely see such fast acceptance in my field, especially for ISI indexed journals.
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What is your field? Perhaps the experts in your field are limited hence the lengthy time.

Fast processing period is quite common for engineering.

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Wow, nice one! I've learnt alot from you guys in terms of these publishing stuffs and journals too.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 30 2015, 05:45 PM)
What is your field? Perhaps the experts in your field are limited hence the lengthy time.

Fast processing period is quite common for engineering.
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Economics. Certainly not scarce of experts but the time required is quite long, especially compared to engineering.

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Entire publication process takes 4 -24 months to process, which is normally 12 months after your first submission. Submiting papers during your research study. Publication is the key measurement for graduation or application of academic position.

Two main tasks in your research. 1) Graduation on time 2) Publication in Tier-1 ISI journal. biggrin.gif
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It took me almost 3 years to get my paper publish in ISI journal.
1 year for review. Another 1 year to amend-from major-minor-grammar corrections. Then 5 months wait before it to appear in Early View. Then 6 months to be included in the volume for printing. 2012 to 2015. The most stressful paper I ever wrote lol.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 29 2015, 10:27 PM)
Depends on the editor office actually. You can refer to the 1st page of your referenced paper.

Here's a timeline sample of my paper in Elsevier:

Received 12 February 2013
Received in revised form 28 April 2013
Accepted 2 May 2013
Available online 11 May 2013
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wow, im a newbie here, sorry but not to be rude just curious what's your topic about?

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wow, im a newbie here, sorry but not to be rude just curious what's your topic about?
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On Material science
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IMO, publication is controversial when you go for outside publishers. I mean you work so hard and you are handing over the copyright to someone doing nothing else but managing the database and profiteering. The authors suppose to receive royalty for each purchase but this doesn't happen. This is unfair and ridiculous.

Not to forget, the grants you received are tax-payers' money and basically most of you deliver nothing back to them which is embarrassing and non-productive acts. This is however, has become the disease of academicians in Malaysia. They become delusional and jokes since what actually they are doing in research is just a wasteful consumption, unlike professionals on the real fields which really move things.

This also surfaces the term called self-plagiarism when you publish before thesis submission. My suggestion is to publish local and forget the impact factor which is just a number purposely created for rat race and they are happy when you become obsess with it. Just put a number and they are richer. If your work really has value, don't be afraid, it will talk itself whenever it is published. If it doesn't, I can understand why you do want to share.

Another aspect is, if you have found a mountain of gold (breakthrough), are you even going to publish and let the outsiders have their hands into the pool and claim rights? or are you going to reserve it for your community or future business that will benefit the local. This is why commercial study never publish their works.

inb4: I did publish few papers. Impact factor >4 but no way after this.

What say you?

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QUOTE(Ph 7.00 @ May 20 2015, 09:01 AM)
IMO, publication is controversial when you go for outside publishers. I mean you work so hard and you are handing over the copyright to someone doing nothing else but managing the database and profiteering. The authors suppose to receive royalty for each purchase but this doesn't happen. This is unfair and ridiculous.

Not to forget, the grants you received are tax-payers' money and basically most of you deliver nothing back to them which is embarrassing and non-productive acts. This is however, has become the disease of academicians in Malaysia. They become delusional and jokes since what actually they are doing in research is just a wasteful consumption, unlike professionals on the real fields which really move things.

This also surfaces the term called self-plagiarism when you publish before thesis submission. My suggestion is to publish local and forget the impact factor which is just a number purposely created for rat race and they are happy when you become obsess with it. Just put a number and they are richer. If your work really has value, don't be afraid, it will talk itself whenever it is published. If it doesn't, I can understand why you do want to share.

Another aspect is, if you have found a mountain of gold (breakthrough), are you even going to publish and let the outsiders have their hands into the pool and claim rights? or are you going to reserve it for your community or future business that will benefit the local. This is why commercial study never publish their works.

inb4: I did publish few papers. Impact factor >4 but no way after this.

What say you?
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Unfortunately, that is the reality. For postgraduates, papers are given very high attention by their supervisors and to some extent, examiners. For academicians, papers are included in their KPI for promotion and bonuses. Rat race, as you call it.
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QUOTE(Ph 7.00 @ May 20 2015, 09:01 AM)
This also surfaces the term called self-plagiarism when you publish before thesis submission.
QUOTE(Human Nature @ May 20 2015, 10:32 AM)
Unfortunately, that is the reality.
I concur with the issue of self-plagiarism and it is a growing concern for PhD students, supervisors, publishers and universities alike. Some authors maybe unaware of the laws and ethics involved in reusing texts, but it can infringe upon a publisher’s copyright. ohmy.gif
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before.because most uni need to see publication to graduate
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ May 20 2015, 01:06 PM)
I concur with the issue of self-plagiarism and it is a growing concern for PhD students, supervisors, publishers and universities alike. Some authors maybe unaware of the laws and ethics involved in reusing texts, but it can infringe upon a publisher’s copyright. ohmy.gif
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Thesis and journal papers have no issue on self-plagiarism. Therefore, PhD candidate can choose to graduate with publication. You need to put all the publications with a relative short introduction to link up all your works being published. Your publication proved your research works being recognised by the reserach community.

If you submit the same works to two journals at the same time, it offenses the submission rules. For submission to the journal, athors need to declare that the works have not been submitted to other journal at the same time. It prevents the same paper being sent to the same experts for review. If you purposely to publish the same story with same discussion and same conclusion to two different journal, it falls on the category of self-plagiarism.

Journal paper is just a process of communication to inherit knowledge in a proper written format.




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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 29 2015, 07:32 PM)
Would be good to submit and if possible, get it under accepted or published status before submitting your thesis. This may help you in terms of significance of work.
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Sorry, I just read this thread with interest and was wondering, how could you submit your paper for publication before completion of your paper?

And also, why would you do that because if you submit your paper before completion. Another person could make a bigger breakthrough before you finish your paper for submission of PhD.

Forgive me for this noob question. Just started application for my PhD and am curious about such matters.

Also guys, is publication of paper a requirement for PhD Graduation?

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