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atreyuangel
post Feb 18 2015, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(Piap @ Feb 17 2015, 11:46 PM)
Why cant they just add up the su-30mkm? Easy what..no need to buy new tool box, save cost amd training and armament etc. just add up a new squadron..voila!
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there are plan for 2nd batch,
but only when there is better radar will be available to us
but right now we are more focus on MIG replacement
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post Feb 18 2015, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(kungfugymnast @ Feb 18 2015, 12:03 AM)
T84 already scrapped when there was no buyer. Ukrainian military inventory for their remaining air force and army are in sorry state. The navy is already gone while air force lack spare parts and poorly maintained. The migs and sukhois are russian made. Since Ukraine is now enemy of mother Russia, the Russians no longer sell parts to Ukraine.

Ukraine's hope is to buy from US & Nato. In time of war, if the country has resources and future economic woes, they can buy on credit loan terms where in return, future business trade & contract must be given to country that contribute weapons.
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actually Oplot has been sell to Thailand, and i must concur some facts

1. Actually both sides using the same old equipment they had in inventory, and refrain from using their newest equipment. But lately, Russian steadily supplying the rebels with much advanced models of equipment. Ukraine do had newer model of ground combat equipment like Oplot tanks, BTR-3U, BTR 4, and so on.

2. The battles largely conducted by land forces, there is no need to involve a much larger Air Forces for now, as it will just invite a more reactionary repercussion from Russian and led them to supply more AA SAM batterai like BUK M, Pantsyr or OSA.

3. For the Navy and missile system, it just has the same effect for the Russian, as Ukraine military industries lies on their Missile regime tech and Naval industries in which has been existed since Soviet times. There is a report about Moskwa must halting their Kilo class production and starting to build a new class of SSK design in which has no parts from Ukraine defense products like propeller engine,sonar system and so on.

4. Ukraine can produce much of their needed equipment themselves, but what they lack is modern infantry gear. They are decades behind their western counterpart, and actually Poland has supply them to Ukraine but still they need times to learn how to use the tools properly. And in all, this battle against donbass Rebellion is the first major war military Ukraine must facing since their independence. Meanwhile their Russian counterparts with their rich experience since Chechen War till invasion of Georgia is able to teach and advise their partner in Donbass.
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post Feb 18 2015, 02:50 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 18 2015, 01:01 AM)
there are plan for 2nd batch,
but only when there is better radar will be available to us
but right now we are more focus on MIG replacement
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I think Irbis-E ady available?
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post Feb 18 2015, 03:37 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 18 2015, 12:32 AM)
Breaking: Ukrainian military sources within Debaltsevo claim total loss of military command and control. Individual units are defying orders, abandoning posts and small groups are attempting to break out in small groups under the cover of darkness
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so Debaltsevo finally fallen..
Ukraine truly didn't see this coming

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post Feb 18 2015, 03:53 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 18 2015, 03:50 AM)
I think Irbis-E ady available?
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still PESA
thpace
post Feb 18 2015, 04:20 AM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 18 2015, 03:53 AM)
still PESA
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post Feb 18 2015, 04:30 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 18 2015, 04:20 AM)
hybrid laugh.gif
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Too bad zhuk aesa can't still match it's pesa counterpart
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post Feb 18 2015, 05:06 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 18 2015, 04:30 AM)
Too bad zhuk aesa can't still match it's pesa counterpart
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Rusia want to sell zhuk to india mki upgrade. They hopeful to sell in large number n cheaper price tag
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post Feb 18 2015, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 18 2015, 12:18 AM)
Not agree on this  ...  smile.gif
learn more on Rafale.
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Already did. Rafale nose radome could only fit smaller medium range radar. F/A-18E/F radome is much bigger that it could fit larger extended medium range radar.

Comparing Rafale to F-16E, rafale would lose BVR engagement meaning you'll need to perform evasive maneuver a lot hoping to engage the f16 in dogfight. MICA AR really lacks the range compared to AIM-120C7.

When comes to ground attack, the F/A-18E/F is best after F-15E. It could carry more armaments destroying more ground targets than the Rafale could. F-16E with improved engine too could perform ground attack role well despite its small size. Only problem with buying from Americans, they have strict political requirements like you must follow what Americans said.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 18 2015, 12:14 AM)
Buying mkm no longer possible given the current russian and western relation.
The best solution available is to go for leasing gripen.
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Gripen is just toned down F-16C block 30. Since Singapore has block 50/52, better go for Mig-35 or Rafale.
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post Feb 18 2015, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Feb 18 2015, 12:52 AM)
Erm..What do you guys think about Main Battle Tank 3000?



and the top 2 looks badass ohmy.gif
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MBT best armor Challenger 2 but slowest.
Best fuel efficiency Leclerc
Best combat proven M-1A2SEP but worst FC
Best urban warfare with anti-missile defenses with troop carrier capability Merkava Mk4 with trophy defenses.
Best price China made Type99 with unproven tech
Best class German luxury feel Leopard 2A6

The commanche has been cancelled and will only be revive if more countries against America own lots of advanced pantsir defenses. Best attack helicopter is still held by Apache.
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post Feb 18 2015, 09:12 AM

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Donetsk people's Republic Prime minister/"Oplot" battalion commander Alexander Zakharchenko injured during assault on Debaltsevo

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Reports say that Alexander Zakharchenko, the Prime minister of the DPR and also commander of the separatist "Oplot" battalion has been injured in the battle over Debaltsevo yesterday. Apparently during an assault, Zakharchenko was injured in the leg by a mortar fragment as he was trying to cross a street partially held by Ukraine government troops. Zakharchenko was then transported with other wounded men by military transport to a hospital in Archevisk, in nearby Luhansk People's Republic. The injury is reportedly not severe and he is expected to fully recover shortly.


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post Feb 18 2015, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(kungfugymnast @ Feb 18 2015, 08:29 AM)

Best class German luxury feel Leopard 2A6


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And Leopard Revolution..........

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post Feb 18 2015, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(kungfugymnast @ Feb 18 2015, 08:19 AM)
Gripen is just toned down F-16C block 30. Since Singapore has block 50/52, better go for Mig-35 or Rafale.
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if want gripen, better get the NG variant other variant are simply basic stuff but i read the overall flyaway cost is increase(US$ 113M) which is better go for other fighter if it that expensive

the best for us is the advance super hornet, but still only if we have the budget since the oil price goes down might hurt the overall military procurement budget
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QUOTE(kungfugymnast @ Feb 18 2015, 08:14 AM)
Already did. Rafale nose radome could only fit smaller medium range radar. F/A-18E/F radome is much bigger that it could fit larger extended medium range radar.

Comparing Rafale to F-16E, rafale would lose BVR engagement meaning you'll need to perform evasive maneuver a lot hoping to engage the f16 in dogfight. MICA AR really lacks the range compared to AIM-120C7.

When comes to ground attack, the F/A-18E/F is best after F-15E. It could carry more armaments destroying more ground targets than the Rafale could. F-16E with improved engine too could perform ground attack role well despite its small size. Only problem with buying from Americans, they have strict political requirements like you must follow what Americans said.
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your just see too suface thing....
well radar not only see size, also how good is Rx/Tx module, what is power of each module. how good is on board computer process.

for BVR .... no need much maneuver, only alot maneuver in dogfight, and too sample to said Rafale will loose, AIM-120C7 is 120km range, but it have to fire at 70km max because you attack target will run also, that jet not waiting there at 120km waiting you to shoot. at fire missile more than 70km range successfull hit rate only at 40%. 100km just less than 20%. and 120km just base on strait line range. so went both jet close betwwen 50-90km, is up to who get the position to fire the missile first. pilot skill and experience, how good pilot interactive with fighter also very importance.
and F16E APG-80 no better than RBE-2AA actually, mostly about same. and for Rafale/EF2000 soon will come with Meteor BVRAAM.
Other han that, our RMAF event can't get AIM-C7,only C5 we get. if we get F18, hopefully get C7, if not point get F18EF.
and nowdays jet figther also include IRST sensor to track target and fire missile, not necessary radar will turn ON. depend situation.

ground attack just Rafale best capability. it have 14 hardpoint and 9 tons+ payload. more hardpoint/payload than than F18EF, at lease capability on pair with F18EF. both no issue on Close Air Support mission.

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Just read news on China sell warship Argentina..
surprising Argentina GDP about 610 bilion usd about 2x malaysia GDP.
but military budget is about USD 4.1 billion, a bit lower than Malaysia.
if they have usd 8 bil, sure they can built strong arm forces, and able to get back Fakland island。 hmm.gif

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post Feb 18 2015, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 18 2015, 09:55 AM)
Just read new on China sell warship Argentina..
surprising Argentina GDP about 610 bilion usd about 2x malaysia GDP.
but military budget is about USD 4.1 billion, a bit lower than Malaysia.
if they have usd 8 bil, sure they can built strong arm forces, and able to get back Fakland island。  hmm.gif
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this remind me of the Argentinian president tweet laugh.gif

"More than 1,000 participants at the event... Are they all from the Campola and in it only for the lice and petloleum?"
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post Feb 18 2015, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(kungfugymnast @ Feb 18 2015, 08:19 AM)
Gripen is just toned down F-16C block 30. Since Singapore has block 50/52, better go for Mig-35 or Rafale.
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As I said leasing gripen is a much better deals given our budget conditions.
gripen is lots better than f16 blk30.
migs 35 no thanks.
rafale momey is the problem.
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post Feb 18 2015, 11:44 AM

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Russia's Rosoboronexport is currently in negotiation stages with Indonesia to supply the Su-35 fighters.

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Vice president of Rosoboronexport Sergeo Goreslavski told reporters that the company is currently negotiating with Indonesia, Su-35 fighters store.

http://finnish.ruvr.ru/news/2015_02_17/Ind...ittajista-2692/


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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Feb 18 2015, 09:52 AM)
if want gripen, better get the NG variant other variant are simply basic stuff but i read the overall flyaway cost is increase(US$ 113M) which is better go for other fighter if it that expensive

the best for us is the advance super hornet, but still only if we have the budget since the oil price goes down might hurt the overall military procurement budget
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Nah, that usd113mil flyaway cost include production license and rnd. Probably that figure were pick from swiss and Brazil deals.

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