asb dis year brapa % dividen?
AS1M, ASB, ASW,ASM,ASG,ASD
AS1M, ASB, ASW,ASM,ASG,ASD
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Dec 16 2006, 12:44 PM
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asb dis year brapa % dividen?
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Dec 20 2006, 12:17 PM
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brader doremon, do u have asb loan? can terminate or not? any prob to do so?
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Dec 21 2006, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE(doremon @ Dec 17 2006, 07:24 PM) For non bumiputra try go for fix deposit, ASW2020,ASN. Since this topic no focus on Stock, Unit Trust I heard somewhere around kl HSBC (around central Market area) for FD goes up to 5%. Best part investing on ASB,ASW2020 ASN etc is if they go down all the other bank goes down too. Because those are under government supervise. bang doremon, is it true asb always better than FD? how about asw?QUOTE(vergas @ Dec 18 2006, 04:19 PM) today will announce. hope they publish it in website becoz today i want to decide my asb loan future QUOTE(doremon @ Dec 20 2006, 01:46 PM) WHAT HAPPEN IF U USE ASB LOAN. Sorry it's in bahasa Malaysia. Hope it helps |
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Jan 3 2007, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(doremon @ Jan 2 2007, 09:18 PM) already convicted. i need to pay compensation if wan to terminate asb loan. so just continue lohhhh |
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Jan 3 2007, 12:34 PM
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Feb 6 2007, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(doremon @ Feb 6 2007, 08:13 AM) Sorry wrong post Added on February 6, 2007, 8:14 am 1. Been working since 15 years of age. 2. No girlfriends (Which save me right up to 99% of my saving). Recommended for people wants to gain RM500k before age 25. At age 25 I already have RM675k in my ASB+ASW+Tabung Haji. Of course parents help as welllah. With this u can escape from incometax. Been doing it 15 years already. 3. Most of things (Like food, place,car,petrol etc fully sponsored by parents) 4. When shopping always bring pen and paper. Each item you about to purchase list the pros & cons before purching. By doing that, I always end up buying nothing since lazy to list down. 5, Once you receive salary bankin and cut your atm card (Only keep your bank book). Ask your parents to keep in. Only use the saving when u in critical situation (Means dying) 6. Never leave your parents house. (So rent free) 7. Always think about yourself. Ignore others. Set target where only you in the picture. Maximize the opportunity of using your parents money. Pity them less. Because soon or later they will go anyway. So all the assets goes to u anyway. 8. If possible try to ignore EFP + Soso or what so ever to avoid record with income tax. 9. Say Big No No to credit card, mutual fund, Stock, Unit Trust, MLM, Loans etc. ( Unless you fully understand what you want to get involved then ok). 10. I know it sounds selfish but that's the only way for you get gain RM1M+ before age 30 unless you have business. My next door neighbour gain RM4M as in saving already by doing business. He's only 21 years age. Dam jealous of him. |
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Feb 6 2007, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(doremon @ Feb 6 2007, 01:23 PM) Buy a house. asb no max limit eh? i thought onli 200k onli.. in term of self satisfaction, y don just play it in bisnes. more fun i think rather than let other people play with ur money. is it? |
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Feb 6 2007, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(doremon @ Feb 6 2007, 03:02 PM) ASB max is RM250K means u can put right up to that amount. ASW not sure but i have more then RM250k in there. Self satisfaction is very board bro. U refering to yours, mine or other people?. Different people different taste. Now i am talking about my own satisfaction. Means i like the way it's done. Business i am not interested for the time been. Wait until something happen to my parents then i think about it. Coz a lot of things will happen when u know. Insurance, property etc is there. Well that's my life. Getting yourself involved in business is like trying to establishing yourself to people that u have money. Nowdays EVERYTHING PEOPLE CAN DO. If u have some unique product after 20 years hardwork of doing research etc, people can get your receipy in matter of seconds. ohhh ok ok got it asb after we put 250k, can just let it grow with dividen eh? or must take out the annual dividen becoz cannot exceed 250k? |
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Feb 6 2007, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE(doremon @ Feb 6 2007, 03:07 PM) 250K can grow with dividen. Even untill 10 MILLION also can u mean asb loan? if got excess money, surely asb loan is gud choice. but must have 1 year money which u dont want to touch. the return higher than conventional method. since i just start my career, dis asb loan is the worst investment i had |
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 12 2007, 03:24 AM) Doremon, << Cara A - Gunakan dividen untuk bayar semula pinjaman Hasil pengiraan saya menggunakan software Optimoney, jika dividen 7% setahun atau RM 7,000 itu dibayar semula kpd bank untuk mengurangkan baki pinjaman anda, loan ASB anda dijangka selesai dalam masa 7 tahun 6 bulan dengan jumlah pembayaran penuh hampir RM 120,827 (termasuk deposit RM5,000 dan dividen RM7,000 yg dibayar semula setiap tahun) Ini bermakna, anda terpaksa membayar RM 120,000 untuk mendapatkan RM 100,000 selepas 7-8 tahun. Untung atau rugi? Jika anda labur RM 731 ke dalam ASB setiap bulan selama 8 tahun pun, simpanan anda akan menjadi RM 94,260. Campur deposit RM 5,000 yang disimpan untuk 8 tahun juga, nilai pelaburan selepas 8 tahun adalah RM 8,590. Total nilai pelaburan anda = 102,850. Dah lebih RM 100,000 dah.>> You put in 5K and take a 95K ASB loan. You take the dividend to pay off the loan. You only actually ONLY put in RM8,590 across 8 years. But, you get $102,850 after 8 years. How many percents of return is that? Please tell me why a Bumi cannot be rich with scheme like this?? And, there are very few bumi that invest up 250K at ASB. They only need 5K to start. Dreamer P.S.: The calculation is simpler than that. As long as the ASB's dividend rate is higher than the ASB loan, you get positive cash flow aka you get more money. So, you should take as much ASB loan as possible and buy ASB up to the max. Then, use the positive cash flow to pay off the ASB's loan earlier. QUOTE How many percents of return is that? that article care less with ur return. it onli care how much more bank make compare to us QUOTE Please tell me why a Bumi cannot be rich with scheme like this?? And, there are very few bumi that invest up 250K at ASB. They only need 5K to start. its not as low as 5k since need to consider whole year payment. once i meet someone who received 'letter' from the bank becoz unable to make monthly payment(i dont know his fate now). it is still a loan afterall so to answer ur question: 1) high startup cost 2) risky 3) when start working, buy car first. how to invest? 4) after 5 years working, married. how to invest? 5) then buy house. how to invest? 6) then wife pregnant. and then u know the rest of the story |
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QUOTE 1) It is ONLY 5K plus 1 years payment to start. Read the article again. You use the dividend plus a bit more to pay each month. If you delay buying the car and suffer for one year, you have the money. if u take 200k loan, u need 20k for start up and should never touch the money again. so the cost is very high QUOTE 3) Most likely, the person spent the dividend as opposed to using the dividend to pay the loan. exactly. need to consider time horizon before invest in it QUOTE 5) Do not buy car until you can afford it. Do not buy house until you can afford it. Do not get married until youc an afford. Do not have kids until you can fford it. It is always your choice. it is a need. whereas investment is a choice QUOTE Please explain to me how a non-bumi can get rich with the same kind of limitations and no easy money making scheme like ASB. They do (5). dis is not get-rich-scheme. u wont be rich by dis scheme. even u take 200k loan, the profit is divide for 20 years. after taking the compounding effect, ur profit well below 10k per annum. nobody can be rich with dis modest income. but the sweetest thing is u got it without any sweat |
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 13 2007, 12:02 PM) 1) Who say so?? What other investment scheme has BETTER return than this?? Tell me one. r= [(220k/20k)power(1/20)]-1=12% still need me to tell u any one investment scheme better than dis? buffet 28% per annum, soros 27%, peter lynch forget the number. ohhh maybe its not relevant QUOTE 2) You are FORGETTING a very simple fact. You are only putting in 20K. And, you earn 10K per year out of those 20K. What other kind of investment give you that kind of return?? You have to be a loan shark to get this kind of return. refer to number 1 QUOTE 3) A lot of people are getting rich from this. They just choose not to tell you. in the end receive 200k+20k and already consider as rich guy? nonsense QUOTE The KEY question is do you believe that the ASB dividend rate will always be higher than the ASB loan interest rate. If you do, this is free money for you. wat i'm debating is the return wont make u rich although the ROR is great(i'm agree its free money). consider 2 company: a) profit margin 50% and net income 200k b) profit margin 5% and net income 2milion which one is richer? u will answer base on number or %? QUOTE When you had faced starvation before, you know that everything is a choice. i'm speechless oppsss have update: QUOTE Actually, if you really use ALL your dividend to pay the loan, the loan is pay off in less than 10 years!!! how come?This post has been edited by mucklampir: Feb 13 2007, 12:43 PM |
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Feb 13 2007, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 13 2007, 01:19 PM) 1) Go back to original post. Dividend from ASB is higher than monthly payment of ASB loan. So, you can pay down the principal every year. You can pay off the loan in less than 10 years. That gives you a return of 20+%. firstly, annual dividend from asb loan in lower than annual payment(current situation). i'm quite confusing here how to pay off the 20 years loans in 10 years. there is 2 possibility can i assume from ur statement: i) for 200k asb loan, annually receive 20k dividen. use dividen to pay next year payment and do dis for 10 years. after 10 years, total payment is 200k. so 200k asb loan already pay off. but u miss one thing-> bank interest. although u take 200k asb loan, but u owed them 400k. still need another 10 years to pay off the loan ii) use own money+dividen for monthly payment to reduce payment period. make sense, but the return is not 20%. plus i'm not sure if the bank will allow it. they already give the payment schedule. reduce period mean reduce their interest too. but there r alternative, just choose shorter period when sign up. but startup cost will be higher and annual dividen far behind annual payment there is other thing to consider-> i dont understand the article's calculation QUOTE 2) It is pointless of argue about whether it is enough to be rich. Why each and every bumi do not have at least this 200K of free money?? The non-bumi definitely DO NOT has this free money. So, bumi can be richer with this scheme. Why this is NOT happening? I will take this money any time if I can. 10k free money per annum vs risk+obligation for 20 years. ur call QUOTE The bottom line conclusion is very simple. It is very easy for bumi in Malaysia to have up to 200K worth of asset. And, this has been available for the last 30 years. agreedQUOTE(doremon @ Feb 13 2007, 01:25 PM) hey cannot peeping onli. must comment something |
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QUOTE 1) It is YOU who is taking the ASB loan. So, you could make sure that you ONLY take the ASB loan that allow you to pay off the loan earlier. is it the case? QUOTE 2) Who say you must take a 200K loan?? It can be 50K, 100K or even 10K? 200k just my example. i myself take 50k loan QUOTE 3) You confused yourself with a lot of unnecessary numbers. It is actually very very simple. You take a loan to buy X. X giver your dividend rate of 7%. The loan interest rate is 6%. So, X is paying you (7% -6%) = 1% every year. It is a positive cash flow. As long as dividend rate is higher than loan interest rate, this investment give you money every year. So, if X is 200K, you get 200K * 1% = 2K more each year. u forget another thing, insurance which is compulsory. thats why 7% dividen also not enough to mark up payment. i think the insurance rate is around 3% due to current situation even after using dividen to make payment, still need to use own money for another 2 months payment QUOTE 4) Monthly payment is depending on term of the loan ( 10 year, 20 years, 30 years). You could make the term of the loan as long as possible (30 years) so that you have low monthly payment and your annual dividend check is big enough to cover the monthly payment. As long as (1) is satisfied, eventhough the term is 30 years, you could payoff earlier if you have more dividend. i think the longest is 20 years. if the dividen rate is high enough, no need to add money for next year payment. but dis case onli for 20 years period. shorter period for sure must use own money QUOTE 5) We have NOT even factor in the bonus that you get from ASB every year. The return is even higher. bonus onli 1.25%. half than insurance rate QUOTE 6) You should setup a separate A/C where the monthly ASB loan is paid automatically. Every year, you deposit your dividend check into this A/C. Then, you do not have to do anything for one more year. It is fully automatic. Just forget that you have this money. let dividen stay in asb is better for the sake of dividen. onli need to take out monthly payment every month. need some effort though QUOTE If you are uncomfortable with this scheme, just buy ASB and re-invest the dividend every year. But, you are leaving free money on the table. for those who uncomfortable and still take dis scheme, the reward is not free money since they paid to take risk as UT do QUOTE There is ONLY one KEY question. Will the ASB dividend rate higher than the ASB loan interest?? That is all. Monthly payment is determined by the term of the loan. dis is a question which i'm waiting the answer for long. if the answer is positive, i want to maximise my investment QUOTE P.S.: ASB used to give dividend rate of 14%. Do your parent buy ASB? during 14% time, i have $100 in akaun QUOTE P.S.2: I learned this from Kiyosaki's books. Instead using the formula for real estate as shown in the book, I am using this for stocks, unit trusts and mutual funds. never read dis book. but will do in future |
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