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kriel
post Aug 29 2007, 11:35 PM

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ASW declared 7 + 1 cent dividend for this year. Yahooo......
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post Aug 29 2007, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 27 2007, 03:18 PM)
you forgot to tell him that there is a annual 5% fee for unit trust , and most of unit trust in malaysia is based on insurance-like schemes.

Even if you put all your money into defensive unit trust, namely bonds which should give u a  return of 5-6% annually, after service fee deduction, you will only end up with 1% or worse lose money in unit trust.
ASW is the best bet, 6.8% compouded interest for 3 years is 20% return.

with other unit trust, -5% every year.. does not seem like a good deal for me
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Hmm, not 5% annual fee la.

That 5-7% fee (aka initial service charge) only apply once.

The annual management fee is around 1.5-1.6% only.
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post Aug 30 2007, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(doremon @ Aug 27 2007, 09:40 PM)
Hummm, I assume you speak from experience? How you come out with that kind of conclusion? Care to share with us all more ? Thankz in advance  notworthy.gif
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our unit trust industry is still very much protected by our government, despite our commitment to financial liberalisation. THis is due to lobby of these unit trust group.

Take a look at PUblic Mutual fund website and their returns. THey only show you their earnings over few years. You will have to study them carefully before you buy unit trusts.

Let me give you one example, some funds say their 5 years return is 25% - sounds impressive. But do your own calcuation , if you put your money in FD for 6 years with compounded interest of 3.7% annually, you will get 24.3 % return on your savings too. AND the graphs they show you in their website does not include the 'service fee' of 3% annually.

So if you put 100k in unit trusts, with them deducting 2-3% of your savings annually for their service fee, and with their projected returns... do you think you got a good deal?

Unit trust in malaysia is run like an insurance company. Money (service fee) is siphoned out from each level of their sales person. why? because the company needs their agents to promote their unit trusts to the public. these promoters will sign up more sub-promoter ,etc. and most of these promoters are some unqualified makcik pakcik who work in some insurance of bankiing industry.

why is PNB superior ? for one, they do not need these 'promoters', therefore costs is saved, money that is supposed to be invested will not be wasted paying fees to those promoters. 2nd, they have the massive volume , and being Government linked company gives them the edge in their investments.

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 30 2007, 01:05 PM)
our unit trust industry is still very much protected by our government, despite our commitment to financial liberalisation. THis is due to lobby of these unit trust group.

Take a look at PUblic Mutual fund website and their returns. THey only show you their earnings over few years. You will have to study them carefully before you buy unit trusts.

Let me give you one example, some funds say their 5 years return is 25% - sounds impressive. But do your own calcuation , if you put your money in FD for 6 years with compounded interest of 3.7% annually, you will get  24.3 % return on your savings too. AND the graphs they show you in their website does not include the 'service fee' of 3% annually.

So if you put 100k in unit trusts, with them deducting 2-3% of your savings annually for their service fee, and with their projected returns... do you think you got a good deal?

Unit trust in malaysia is run like an insurance company. Money (service fee) is siphoned out from each level of their sales person. why? because the company needs their agents to promote their unit trusts to the public. these promoters will sign up more sub-promoter ,etc. and most of these promoters are some unqualified makcik pakcik who work in some insurance of bankiing industry.

why is PNB superior ? for one, they do not need these 'promoters', therefore costs is saved, money that is supposed to be invested will not be wasted paying fees to those promoters. 2nd, they have the massive volume , and being Government linked company gives them the edge in their investments.
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Wahhhhhhhh, like that. Make sense also. No wonder this promoters/agents ask me to invest alot, so that they get their commission. If like this i withdraw my 20K from public mutuallah and pub back in ASB tongue.gif . Thanks for sharing. Totally wasting my time at this public mutual think. I didn't relise i am that stupid. Government try to help us all but we ourself like to be so clever and adventures. What a waste of time and effort. Aiyo. But nevermind. We learn from mistake. This mistake should never happen again. Thanks bro tongue.gif
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post Aug 30 2007, 02:32 PM

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i am not saying unit trusts are total wreck, but you must do a bit of homework before deciding to put money there. There are some unit trust funds that really perform, public bank is one of them.

ask carefully their annual fees, NAV charges , etc. if you ASB hasn't been maxed to 200k, i will suggest you max it first, then proceed to ASW2020.

I am more into defensive investment, so this would be my advice. If you like riskier investment with potentially higher returns, then you can try unit trusts. from what i hear, out of 10 of my friends who invested in unit trusts, only 2-3 of them have good returns, the rest regretted.

for bumis, ASB is the best. compounded 8% return annually for 5 years will give you 46.9 % return . you put 100k in today, 5 years later will become 146.9 k = not good?


Added on August 30, 2007, 4:05 pmBAD NEWS GUYS, I JUST RANG UP PNB , THEY SAY THERE WON'T BE ANY ADDITIONAL UNITS OF ASW2020 BE TO OFFERED NEXT WEEK

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post Aug 30 2007, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(doremon @ Aug 30 2007, 01:55 PM)
Wahhhhhhhh, like that. Make sense also. No wonder this promoters/agents ask me to invest alot, so that they get their commission. If like this i withdraw my 20K from public mutuallah and pub back in ASB  tongue.gif . Thanks for sharing. Totally wasting my time at this public mutual think. I didn't relise i am that stupid. Government try to help us all but we ourself like to be so clever and adventures. What a waste of time and effort. Aiyo. But nevermind. We learn from mistake. This mistake should never happen again. Thanks bro  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(doremon @ May 25 2007, 11:59 AM)
I was told public mutual can compete with ASB or ASW in dividen stage. How true is that? If so i will redraw all my money is ASB + ASW and pour in one of pubic mutual fund.
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QUOTE(vergas @ May 30 2007, 08:03 AM)
And ignore the fact that your capital is not protected? And the fact that they have around 5% charge (difference between the buy and sell price)? Be careful bro... A sudden drop in the stock market will wipe lots of your money out, eventhough the number of your units appear intact.
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hi guys,

my math fail terribelly, can any one do me a favor by doing a calculation of how much will i get in ASB 5 years later if i put 50k in 1st payment and subsequently 10k every month after that until i reach the maximum amount of 200k, and the ASB is more than 10 years old thus entitled for year end bonus? given the average return is 8% and 1.5% bonus. if can show me the formula the better.

thank you very muchhhh. muakksss.
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post Aug 30 2007, 05:57 PM

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http://www.irwan.biz/asb-calculator-v3/
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post Aug 30 2007, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(vergas @ Aug 30 2007, 04:45 PM)
I've warned you previously. wink.gif
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Sorry tilo notworthy.gif . As stubborn as i am, at lease i learn my lesson. tongue.gif .
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post Aug 31 2007, 04:49 AM

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QUOTE(kriel @ Aug 30 2007, 05:57 PM)
uh...i don't have a pc, i use mobile to online, hence i can't download the spreadsheet calculator into my phone. very sorry, i tried to google but most of the calculation seems wierd, plus i failed my math. so can anyone held me to do the calculation pleeeeeeeease.

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post Sep 4 2007, 04:48 PM

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ASB maximum RM200,000 per person (Akaun Dewasa), RM10,000 per person (Akaun Remaja).

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2.06 billion new ASW 2020 units to be made available

KUALA LUMPUR: Permodalan Nasional Bhd's unit Amanah Saham Nasional Bhd will make available 2.06 billion new units of Amanah Saham Wawasan 2020 (ASW 2020) for the public to subscribe by Sept 12.

PNB president and chief executive officer Tan Sri Hamad Kama Piah said the offer would commence concurrently at all ASNB offices and 1,400 agents' outlets nationwide by 9.30am.

"To ensure a fair distribution to the investing public, a maximum limit of 20,000 units has been set per account holder during the offer period from Sept 12 to 25,''he said.

Of the new offer, 60 million units have been allocated to the disabled to provide them with a hassle-free transaction.

Hamad said the disabled must produce the Disabled Identification Card issued by the Social Welfare Department when making transactions for either new or additional subscriptions.

ASW 2020 is a fixed priced equity fund open to all Malaysians aged six months and above and is subject to 51:49 bumiputra and non-bumiputra quota. Each unit is priced at RM1.

The fund, which was launched on Aug 28, 1996 with an initial size of three billion units, is the first PNB unit trust fund opened to non-bumiputra subscribers. Since then the fund has been increased five times to 5.68 billion currently, attracting 717,135 account holders.

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...46&sec=business
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post Sep 6 2007, 04:15 PM

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i have no more money to put in sad.gif
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post Sep 6 2007, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Sep 6 2007, 04:15 PM)
i have no more money to put in sad.gif
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post Sep 7 2007, 02:34 PM

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hi there...totally newbies in this....how can i able to purchase this asw2020 fund?

me frm small township, sitiawan, perak..

is the fund available? n wat's the procedure to get it?

n wat the mininum investment?
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post Sep 7 2007, 02:38 PM

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not sure about minimum but maximum is 20,000 within the offer period. Bring your photostated IC and CASH (no need if you have account in the bank ). Can purchase at pos office, RHB bank, Bank Bumi, Maybank and PNB outlet.

be sure to queue up early , sure finish like hot cakes.
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post Sep 7 2007, 02:42 PM

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i need to hav an account to buy asw2020 or not?

if needed, can i open the account now? b4 12th?
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post Sep 7 2007, 07:33 PM

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i heard people say can use bankers cheque to buy instead of cash,it's more safe. becarefull that day sure got snatchthieves waiting for their prey because lots of people bring cash.

ASW maximum only 20k this time, more people have the chance to buy. dunno how much is the minimum but you can go to bank and ask about it before they launch in 12th september.

good luck!
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PNB raising overseas investment
KUALA LUMPUR: Permodalan Nasional Bhd (PNB) plans to increase its overseas investment up to RM3.6bil this year from RM1bil now.

The amount represents 10% of the RM36bil currently managed by PNB that is not tied up in its unit trust funds.

PNB manages funds worth some RM100bil, of which RM64bil are tied in unit trust funds under its management.

Its president and chief executive officer Tan Sri Hamad Kama Piah Che Othman said PNB wanted its overseas portfolio to account for 5% to 10% of its total investment portfolio by year's end.

PNB currently has a fund management office each in two bustling financial hubs - Singapore and London.

 
File photo of investors thronging the PNB office in Kuala Lumpur to buy ASN shares. PNB manages funds worth some RM100bil
"We hope our people in the foreign offices can learn as quickly as possible so that we can give more funds for them to manage," Hamad said.

PNB made its maiden foray into the international markets with the inception of the International Fund Management Department (IFM) in 1988.

Since then, the IFM has helped nurture a pool of talented professionals exposed to a number of foreign markets, including Europe, the United States, Japan, Singapore and Hong Kong.

The IFM also operates out of Singapore through an outfit called Singapore Unit Trust Ltd.

Hamad said PNB had also identified the need to open more branches abroad, especially in Europe and the United States.

The country's largest fund manager has a diversified portfolio of interests, including unit trusts, institution property trusts, property management and asset management.

Meanwhile, PNB unit Amanah Saham Nasional Bhd will make available for public subscription 2.06 billion new units in Amanah Saham Wawasan 2020 by Sept 12.

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...11&sec=business

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QUOTE(sunnyboy @ Sep 7 2007, 02:42 PM)
i need to hav an account to buy asw2020 or not?

if needed, can i open the account now? b4 12th?
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i also want to know about the same thing, plus a few other things

1) can i go to any post office with computer to buy + open account?
2) do i need to open an account at that bank first if i want to buy from bank?
3) do they accept bankers check or must use cash ?
4) do you need to open an asw2020 account first before you can buy ?


by the way, i'm going to ask at the bank on monday, just want some info first if someone is kind enough to tell me.

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