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kinggerrard
post May 6 2015, 05:10 PM

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Hi experts.. Recently I've just purchased a oven Fotile model KQD50F-C2 and a electric hob model EEG75201. My wiring contractor was asking me the power points requirement on oven and hob. I read the specification of these models but it didn't specify the requirement for oven. Only stated for the electric hob is to be connected directly to 25A circuit breaker.

Then I called up the Fotile support service centre hotline for clarification. A very helpful and friendly technician says 15A for the oven and 20A for my electric hob would be sufficient. For the oven no issues but I questioned him that his advice on 20A power requirement for electric hod is contradict with their brochures which stated 25A. Then he says 25A also can.. I asked my wiring contractor, he says 25A is super big power! It makes me more confused rclxub.gif

Appreciate if anyone here can advice me should I go for 20A or 25A for the 4.5kW power requirement. Thanks in advance! notworthy.gif
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post May 6 2015, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(kinggerrard @ May 6 2015, 05:10 PM)
Hi experts.. Recently I've just purchased a oven Fotile model KQD50F-C2 and a electric hob model EEG75201. My wiring contractor was asking me the power points requirement on oven and hob. I read the specification of these models but it didn't specify the requirement for oven. Only stated for the electric hob is to be connected directly to 25A circuit breaker.

Then I called up the Fotile support service centre hotline for clarification. A very helpful and friendly technician says 15A for the oven and 20A for my electric hob would be sufficient. For the oven no issues but I questioned him that his advice on 20A power requirement for electric hod is contradict with their brochures which stated 25A. Then he says 25A also can.. I asked my wiring contractor, he says 25A is super big power! It makes me more confused rclxub.gif

Appreciate if anyone here can advice me should I go for 20A or 25A for the 4.5kW power requirement. Thanks in advance!  notworthy.gif
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25A hmm.gif hmm.gif
Really need that much?
kinggerrard
post May 6 2015, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(Kelifu @ May 6 2015, 06:29 PM)
25A  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
Really need that much?
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Haha... That's exactly what my wiring contractor asked! So is it sufficient to go for 20A for the 4.5kW power requirement? Any formula to calculate??
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post May 6 2015, 06:38 PM

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Have you searched this forum for electric hob discussion? Maybe you can find answers from users who used it before here:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2483434/all
Zheilwane sells Fotile products at his shop. Maybe if you ask him, he can give a more accurate answer to you question.

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post May 6 2015, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(kinggerrard @ May 6 2015, 06:36 PM)
Haha... That's exactly what my wiring contractor asked! So is it sufficient to go for 20A for the 4.5kW power requirement? Any formula to calculate??
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Hehe for aircon and water heater 20A also enough already hor?
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post May 7 2015, 11:07 AM

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It's easy to find out the AMP rating.

4.5kW = 4500W
Current Voltage provided by TNB = 220V-230V (I will use 220V for calculating instead)

4500W/220V = 20.45A (Round off to nearest digit which is 20A)

And what type is your electric hob? Induction or Vitroceramic?

Vitroceramic takes more energy than Induction to heat up so there's a slight difference between these two since Induction is considered energy saving. You may also use 25A to be on the safe side if you are still worried about the Amp.

For Oven, the kW or Wattage = 3.05kW or 3050W

3050W/220V = 13.86A (Round off to nearest digit which is 14A)
Then the nearest Amp socket, you will need is 15A.

That said, both oven and hob cannot share power links. Need to be solely dedicated power for each and you need to make sure the wire size for each power is 4mm and above because anything below that, the wire cannot handle the heat current and will fry the connection.


QUOTE(kinggerrard @ May 6 2015, 06:10 PM)
Hi experts.. Recently I've just purchased a oven Fotile model KQD50F-C2 and a electric hob model EEG75201. My wiring contractor was asking me the power points requirement on oven and hob. I read the specification of these models but it didn't specify the requirement for oven. Only stated for the electric hob is to be connected directly to 25A circuit breaker.

Then I called up the Fotile support service centre hotline for clarification. A very helpful and friendly technician says 15A for the oven and 20A for my electric hob would be sufficient. For the oven no issues but I questioned him that his advice on 20A power requirement for electric hod is contradict with their brochures which stated 25A. Then he says 25A also can.. I asked my wiring contractor, he says 25A is super big power! It makes me more confused rclxub.gif

Appreciate if anyone here can advice me should I go for 20A or 25A for the 4.5kW power requirement. Thanks in advance!  notworthy.gif
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post May 7 2015, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ May 7 2015, 11:07 AM)
It's easy to find out the AMP rating.

4.5kW = 4500W
Current Voltage provided by TNB = 220V-230V (I will use 220V for calculating instead)

4500W/220V = 20.45A (Round off to nearest digit which is 20A)

And what type is your electric hob? Induction or Vitroceramic?

Vitroceramic takes more energy than Induction to heat up so there's a slight difference between these two since Induction is considered energy saving. You may also use 25A to be on the safe side if you are still worried about the Amp.

For Oven, the kW or Wattage = 3.05kW or 3050W

3050W/220V = 13.86A (Round off to nearest digit which is 14A)
Then the nearest Amp socket, you will need is 15A.

That said, both oven and hob cannot share power links. Need to be solely dedicated power for each and you need to make sure the wire size for each power is 4mm and above because anything below that, the wire cannot handle the heat current and will fry the connection.
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Thanks for the detail explanation, S'aimer!
I have called a few electricians for clarification. Yes, you're right.. The wiring requirement is min 4mm. They say that 4mm would be sufficient for 25A. I'll ensure my contractor to provide 4mm each for my oven and vitro-ceramic hob separately.
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post May 7 2015, 12:57 PM

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You're welcome.

By the way, I would suggest that if you have 2-4 cooking zones on your vitroceramic hob, you should not utilize all zones to cook at the same time because of the full power required to use all zones, and this more or less affects the overall power for the whole house provided by TNB. Balance between power distribution throughout the house I suppose, considering the AMP rating for aircon, heater as well.

QUOTE(kinggerrard @ May 7 2015, 01:47 PM)
Thanks for the detail explanation, S'aimer!
I have called a few electricians for clarification. Yes, you're right.. The wiring requirement is min 4mm. They say that 4mm would be sufficient for 25A. I'll ensure my contractor to provide 4mm each for my oven and vitro-ceramic hob separately.
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post May 7 2015, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(kinggerrard @ May 7 2015, 12:47 PM)
Thanks for the detail explanation, S'aimer!
I have called a few electricians for clarification. Yes, you're right.. The wiring requirement is min 4mm. They say that 4mm would be sufficient for 25A. I'll ensure my contractor to provide 4mm each for my oven and vitro-ceramic hob separately.
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4mm? Quality of the wire are more important. 4mm of pure copper and CCA make alot of difference.
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post May 7 2015, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ May 7 2015, 12:57 PM)
You're welcome.

By the way, I would suggest that if you have 2-4 cooking zones on your vitroceramic hob, you should not utilize all zones to cook at the same time because of the full power required to use all zones, and this more or less affects the overall power for the whole house provided by TNB. Balance between power distribution throughout the house I suppose, considering the AMP rating for aircon, heater as well.
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I have 2 cooking zone with 2.2kW and 2.3kW each. Noted your advice and will instruct my wife not to turn to full power on both zones at the same time. I think seldom would be turning on full power for both cooking zones. Thanks S'aimer! rclxms.gif
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post May 7 2015, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ May 7 2015, 02:40 PM)
4mm? Quality of the wire are more important. 4mm of pure copper and CCA make alot of difference.
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Hi supersound.. Thanks for your advise.. I'm really noob in electrical matters. doh.gif I have instructed him to use Mega cables 4mm for the oven and cooker.. Would it be alright or suffice? Please advise if any additional requirements are required to ensure its quality thumbup.gif
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post May 7 2015, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(kinggerrard @ May 7 2015, 04:36 PM)
Hi supersound.. Thanks for your advise.. I'm really noob in electrical matters.  doh.gif  I have instructed him to use Mega cables 4mm for the oven and cooker.. Would it be alright or suffice? Please advise if any additional requirements are required to ensure its quality  thumbup.gif
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Never heard of this brand, best is you check the quality of the wire.
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post May 12 2015, 10:09 AM

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Hi, just got my oven. Doing self installation, wiring had done by contractor.
The oven come with wire w/o plug.
My question is, can we connect the wire via the wire connector(those with screw on top and join then screw it) or I need to remove the oven wire and connect direct from wire to the oven connector terminal.
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post May 12 2015, 12:17 PM

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My oven also came with the wire minus the plug.

You do not need to connect the wire that way.

What you need is a plug for the oven wire so you can plug that into the socket switch dedicated for oven use only. Has your contractor fixed the wall switches already?


QUOTE(smon80 @ May 12 2015, 11:09 AM)
Hi, just got my oven. Doing self installation, wiring had done by contractor.
The oven come with wire w/o plug.
My question is, can we connect the wire via the wire connector(those with screw on top and join then screw it) or I need to remove the oven wire and connect direct from wire to the oven connector terminal.
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post May 12 2015, 01:23 PM

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No, wow. They just lay the wire, said it can direct connect with the oven. Because my oven only arrive after 4 months renovated.
He just make a 20A switch control the power.

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post May 12 2015, 01:34 PM

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Oh.. I would prefer my oven to have a plug for the wire because frankly if need to send for repair, no need to dismantle the wiring. Yours will need to dismantle the wiring from the switch in this case right?

QUOTE(smon80 @ May 12 2015, 02:23 PM)
No, wow. They just lay the wire, said it can direct connect with the oven. Because my oven only arrive after 4 months renovated.
He just make a 20A switch control the power.
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post May 12 2015, 02:08 PM

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I had the same problem too about the wiring for oven and hob.. I have checked with Zeen and the technical support in Fotile.. They advised me to connect directly to the wiring from circuit breaker due to the high Amp requirement.
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Your amp requirement is lower than mine. If I recall right, your total W = 7530W

I'm using a Teka vitroceramic hob and fotile oven.

Hob is 6.0kW or 6000W (25A-27A) & oven is 2.7kW or 2700W. Total W = 8700W so my AMP requirement is definitely higher.

Have new separate wiring dedicated for both oven & hob and yes both have their own plugs and socket switches.

I just told the electrician guy their wattage power and the Amp rating & he fixed it for me.

QUOTE(kinggerrard @ May 12 2015, 03:08 PM)
I had the same problem too about the wiring for oven and hob.. I have checked with Zeen and the technical support in Fotile.. They advised me to connect directly to the wiring from circuit breaker due to the high Amp requirement.
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post May 12 2015, 04:35 PM

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Basically you should seperate oven and the induction cooker.
both must be use 20Amp. Your electrician should make a new wire for two fuse. Same like air con and heater where each fuse is dedicated to each appliances.
But I share my oven with my microwave, since oven is seldom use and microwave as well. But both are share in 20AM fuse.
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post May 12 2015, 04:48 PM

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Yep.. S'aimer, you're right.. Your amp requirements are higher than mine.. But the wiring should be same as mine which is 4mm pulled from the MCB separately (no sharing) to oven and hob each. The 4mm wiring can take up to 27A provided your electrician is using a good quality cable. I've asked my electrician to give me Mega cables for all the 4mm wiring. Btw, you have a very nice vitroceramic hob. Using Teka needs to have budget man thumbup.gif

QUOTE(S'aimer @ May 12 2015, 03:39 PM)
Your amp requirement is lower than mine. If I recall right, your total W = 7530W

I'm using a Teka vitroceramic hob and fotile oven.

Hob is 6.0kW or 6000W (25A-27A) & oven is 2.7kW or 2700W. Total W = 8700W so my AMP requirement is definitely higher.

Have new separate wiring dedicated for both oven & hob and yes both have their own plugs and socket switches.

I just told the electrician guy their wattage power and the Amp rating & he fixed it for me.
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