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ben3003
post Mar 10 2022, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 3 2022, 02:47 PM)
Bonchi
Found 240mm fan. Can even use it for "intake" fans.

https://shopee.com.my/1200RPM-USB-Router-Fa...163.11556954682

You might have to import Dan A4.

Lian Li A4-H2O is available. Posted the link earlier....
https://shopee.com.my/LIAN-LI-A4-H2O-ITX-CA...b9-08360a9b0adc
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This case looks sweet. I am now juggling between a gaming laptop or SFF. But this size can make wonder, felt like gonna go this route, can unplug and park beside tv anytime i need it for tv gaming.

Boss i saw u said about the alder lake cpu upside, means if use alder lake wont have clashing issue with gpu? Im thinking of probably i5 12400 then 3070ti or run my old sch 760 while waiting for 4070 😅 alang alang time now to buy gpu, and my laptop macam giving up on me, seems like having issue multitasking..
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post Mar 10 2022, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 10 2022, 05:29 PM)
Alder Lake ITX boards are disappointing. Either crap or too expensive.
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ah damn. seems like u going 1 gen back, if just for gaming, huge difference both gen? most intensive stuff will be gaming only for me. i see userbenchmark macam 3% diff, not sure about power usage and thermal performance, since SFF this is critical also.

My local pc shop quoted me a4-h2o rm749.. damn.. thinking of buying parts separately but seems like cant claim tax relief if separate.

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post Mar 13 2022, 05:58 AM

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https://shopee.com.my/product/337726229/796...53-1647122139.9

Guys, any comment on this casing? Seems like is the smallest casing that can fit matx, cable management might be issue becos no where to hide cable lo. Another thing is there is no filter for all air vent also. Seems like for alder lake itx is hard to get good setup for alder lake, maybe thinking if size had to compromise abit, matx mobo since like more make sense..

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post Mar 16 2022, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(gacktleong @ Mar 16 2022, 10:19 AM)
u mao meshlicous? letting go a new unit in box, full mesh white at rm400 only  rclxms.gif

btw, go for vanilla 3070, 3070ti is a waste of energy and $$
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i actually dont really like mesh lol. if itx setup i will still prefer a4-h2o, if matx probably gonna settle with the two i have shared.
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post Mar 16 2022, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(gacktleong @ Mar 16 2022, 11:57 AM)
Becos it gains so little performance rise, yet it needs much more power and produces more heat

The price diff between 3070 and 3070ti is 10 to 15%, but performance gain is 5%
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another scenario is i see 3060ti(gainward ghost 2890 at shopee) and 3070(around 3.7k cheapest i saw), the price diff almost 800-900, which translate to around 30% price increase, but performance increase 15% or so.

Actually if u see now pricing wise, 3070ti zotac can get 3999, which is 300 extra from 3070 same brand. I not sure this brand ok or not la, but just trying to compare price.

if i game on 1080p with max setting, i think i can comfortably use 3060ti. 3070 more for 1440p and above i believe. i think is not see like tat to gauge wat u should buy, but wat price u comfortable with and what u seek to achieve. 3070ti seems to get better returns on 4k, which is good for ppl who game using 4k TV.

Dunno current shenzhen lockdown will impact graphics card price or not lol. I see market not macam flooded with gpu card.
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post Mar 16 2022, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Mar 16 2022, 04:41 PM)
Do you notice , the bottom of GPU have 2 slim fans to improve an over the cooling, so far my gpu max 75c only
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bro i see ur tecware fusion setup, u mount the AIO cooler at side and that is glass panel, wont block the air flow? single fan enuf cool CPU ka? how is CPU temp?
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post Mar 16 2022, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Mar 16 2022, 06:06 PM)
This case comes with glass and mesh panel.
Have to used that mesh panel as well.
If used with glass panel the cooling very bad
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i see, if mesh still okay. Btw, anyone tried buying from like shopee taiwan? I see taobao easily ship to malaysia, but not sure about taiwan tho.
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post Mar 16 2022, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Mar 16 2022, 06:34 PM)
So my main shopping from aliexpress while shopee and Lazada for local warranty stuff.
Shopee Taobao can buy clothing stuff.
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i see, like wat item u buy from alixpress?
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post Mar 24 2022, 04:44 PM

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anyone did use those 90degress mobo atx cable to help on cable management?
https://shopee.com.my/Computer-M-B-ATX-Powe...39-cf554b4a1d7b

GPU 8pin also got
https://shopee.com.my/(MFC)-ATX-8Pin-6Pin-F...0c-754369f13b5c

not sure how well it helps on cable management tho. also on PSU cable, most i see is extension cable, still need to hide those coming out from PSU. not sure which is easier to do for small SFF casing lol.

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post Mar 25 2022, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(KenDiriwan @ Mar 25 2022, 05:55 PM)
These are goodings, but depends on how your layout/casing also.
Am using the 180deg for gpu. Definitely helped in my case
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Ok thanks. Probably sandwich style gpu don need the u turn connector. But the atx one looks useful cos the whole thing hard to bend always.

Does those 3rd party extension more flexbile than original one? I tot braided owes abit hard. But worry also small casing, no place to gulung the PSU cable if install extension.
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post Mar 26 2022, 01:06 PM

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Casing arrived smile.gif

Really small.. after many years of deciding on SFF, finally tis year to build one. Real small man, now waiting other parts to arrive. Just gpu don have yet 😅

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How to rotate using tis pictr.com lol.
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post Mar 26 2022, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Feb 20 2022, 11:47 AM)
RTX 3080 TI. Temps are lower than expected. 27C ambient. GPU 49C idle (12C higher than my main rig), load 71.9C.
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Oh, Forza Horizon 5 is brutal. Maxes out CPU, RAM and GPU.
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Bro, just realized u tried to put the 3080ti gaming oc in a4-h2o. It has similar length of the 3070ti same edition, mind share if the card fit properly? Like there is not clashing with front and side panel.

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post Mar 27 2022, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 27 2022, 12:58 AM)
Extremely tight fit. No clashing. Just tuck the cables well.
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Ok thanks! This clear my doubts smile.gif the edges of the panel arent very nice cut, prefer something with price like this shud have better finishing..
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post Apr 1 2022, 03:41 PM

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Done assembly. Sorry still noob on the cable management, later got time redo again lol. Now need time to do some testing.

Btw the casing is lian-li A4-H2O ya.
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post Apr 4 2022, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 3 2022, 07:23 PM)
kindly recommend sff case that's in horizontal desktop style. prefer sth that uses atx psu.
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Ssupd meshlicious? Seems like the best for its size
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post Apr 4 2022, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 4 2022, 02:23 PM)
What's your thought on SGPC K66 or K88?
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hmm no AIO support, and the whole thing looks flimsy, see the weight can know le. for me SFF better to have AIO because internally not enuf air volume to circulate, end up everything trap inside.

https://www.reddit.com/r/mffpc/comments/qx1...w_c4_matx_case/ probably this is a better but bigger case for matx. anything smaller, machine master C28.

if itx, i still prefer to recommend A4-h2o and more established ssupd meshilicious, at least the cooling is proven to be okay for normal use.
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post Apr 4 2022, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(hirota @ Apr 4 2022, 04:52 PM)
hi, long time never come this topic d
im going to sell my atx desktop

thinking to get this lianli danA A4-h2o

what is the best cooler for this case? EKWB AIO 240 Basic?

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This is really a good case, small and solid. just some thing need to look at la is if u install sata drive, that place will be kinda cramped because it is situated below the PSU, and like the cable pressing on it when u close the casing lol but sata drive is ssd type so no issue la no moving parts, and the ssd casing very solid also. 320mm card no issue slotting in. I think next i might want to do is to get customized cable with shorter length and the PCIE cable, dunno why they dont supply single 6+2pin, they give 2 head and really kacau la. SATA cable also 1 enuf, they put 3 or 4 in 1...

Another is i felt like the water hose for EKWB seems like maybe need better position the cpu block.. dont know if the angle will broke the hose or not.. but i see ppl install also like tat sweat.gif so far my 12400F under benchmark never hit 60c, my gigabyte 3070ti if stock no undervolt, temp around 78c when run unigine heaven, ambient temp is like 31c-32c tho. if undervolt 950mA, 1965mhz, temp went down to 70c. I see temp wise almost same like those youtube one la. Now thinking to switch to silent bios and see if the temp ok or not.
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post Apr 6 2022, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Apr 5 2022, 06:47 PM)
I have the EK 240 Basic in a Ncase M1 and the CPU block tubing position is worse off there. Sandwich layout cases aren't as badly affected. A bigger concern would be whether it fits his mobo if he's using LGA1700.
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i see, ok then i shouldnt worry too much about it.

QUOTE(hirota @ Apr 5 2022, 09:28 PM)
Bro I found this
https://youtu.be/Ukh4M9Wkn78

So cool with custom loop! Wonder how much it will cost?
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yeah damn cool man, but sure cost hand n leg for the custom loop lol.


Anyone know if i screwed up the re-application of thermal paste or not. running cinebench r23 multi-core stock i5-12400F temp around 59c max for average core temp @ ambient temp 27c. the previous one cant remember the actual temp.

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post Apr 6 2022, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Apr 6 2022, 06:49 PM)
I'm fairly interested in seeing if the A4 H2O can fit a deshrouded 3080 Holo + 2 Phanteks T30 fans. Currently using that setup in a Ncase M1 and it has maybe 1-2mm extra clearance at best.
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u mean t30 fans for radiator? this casing cannot fit any casing fan, if got maybe mini type can mount on the mesh lol. or very low profile one.

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post Apr 6 2022, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Apr 6 2022, 07:50 PM)
I'd probably ziptie them to the GPU or tape it to the side panel.
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Yeah if can route ouside shud be can work. Just asthetically not so pretty haha.



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