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post Jun 16 2021, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jun 12 2021, 02:40 PM)
1. "ADA Power Sand contains both slow-release organic nutrients which are decomposed by bacteria into a form absorbable by aquatic plants and fast-release inorganic nutrients that are directly absorbed by aquatic plants to provide nutrients to aquatic plants effectively."

It is unnecessary because with soil alone can provide necessary nutrients that your plants need. You can go with cheaper alternatives like root tabs or osmocote.
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I wondered how much nutrient soil has, e.g. Fluval.
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post Jun 16 2021, 06:03 PM

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Just recently I noticed a type of algae in my tank: Growing on the glass, straight line, and red/brown colour. But could be scraped off easily.
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post Jun 17 2021, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(tachlio @ Jun 14 2021, 09:43 PM)
Mind to provide any proven root tabs or osmocote link? Prefer from Shopee
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I prefer root tabs by Ferka. Sold by aquacult. Don't know if they have shopee account but they do courier.
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post Jun 17 2021, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jun 16 2021, 06:01 PM)
I wondered how much nutrient soil has, e.g. Fluval.
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Many people use Fluval stratum. Seems like less than ISTA Premium Soil & ADA. Anyway, should not matter if we dose ferts, with half doses in the beginning then increase to full dose, then increase again when plant mass increases. Even I failed doing this. Haha

QUOTE(frankzane @ Jun 16 2021, 06:03 PM)
Just recently I noticed a type of algae in my tank: Growing on the glass, straight line, and red/brown colour. But could be scraped off easily.
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Diatom most likely. That's normal. It will gone or reduced once tank stabilize.

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post Jun 18 2021, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jun 17 2021, 12:46 PM)
Many people use Fluval stratum. Seems like less than ISTA Premium Soil & ADA. Anyway, should not matter if we dose ferts, with half doses in the beginning then increase to full dose, then increase again when plant mass increases. Even I failed doing this. Haha
Diatom most likely. That's normal. It will gone or reduced once tank stabilize.
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post Jun 18 2021, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(jenhuei @ Jun 11 2021, 09:53 PM)
Hi All. I have just finish up my setup and are currently 1 week into DSM on my Fluval Flex 57L.

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I am using ADA Amazonia normal type substrate with a layer of Seachem Black sand on top. It hit me suddenly that i might have problem with the water flow as the vent to filter media compartment is completely cover by soil. During the setting up I initially thought that water will be able to travel thru the porous soil however I am starting to seeing some issue,

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1. Will over time the Amazonia soil will become compact and the space between the soil will no longer be there hence blocking the flow of water?

2. In the event that water does manage to pass thru the soil, it will be constantly leaching amonia into the water that need to constantly travel thru the soil to reach the filter media?

Is this a cause for concern or is it not? If yes perhaps i need to start digging before i flood the tank.

Look forward to some advice from sifu here. notworthy.gif
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1. you don't need for the soil to compact, it will still block the outflow vent
2. ammonia leach into the water constantly, this is why we dose ferts

yes, put something in between to prevent the vent being blocked, like a piece of plastic with bit of rock to hold it in place
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post Jun 18 2021, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jun 12 2021, 01:31 AM)
1. Why would you say Power Sand is unnecessary?

2. What is the dosage of Excel each time? Is it working?
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power sand is pumice + charcoal + peat moss, ada claims it will oxygenate the soil
unless you have 6 inch+ of soil, then maybe you need it,
but you need dry pumice that float in order not to compact the soil, while the soil holding it down, still allow water to flow in and oxygenate the soil
the cavate is, pumice get wet lose most of its floating force, so many actually disagree with the claims of ada

and it would be hassle to re-scape your tank without disturbing the soil
roots will attach to the pumice and will pull it out


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post Jun 19 2021, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(junsheng @ Jun 18 2021, 11:24 PM)
power sand is pumice + charcoal + peat moss, ada claims it will oxygenate the soil
unless you have 6 inch+ of soil, then maybe you need it,
but you need dry pumice that float in order not to compact the soil, while the soil holding it down, still allow water to flow in and oxygenate the soil
the cavate is, pumice get wet lose most of its floating force, so many actually disagree with the claims of ada

and it would be hassle to re-scape your tank without disturbing the soil
roots will attach to the pumice and will pull it out
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Yes, I used to use power sand. Like you said, eventually the root will pull it up. But that time I was new in this hobby, so just bought whatever the seller recommended.
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post Jun 19 2021, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jun 12 2021, 01:31 AM)
2. What is the dosage of Excel each time? Is it working?
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If for combating algae, if I'm not mistaken slightly more than dosage recommended on the bottle.

I just started experimenting with Hydrogen Peroxide 6%. For H2O2 3%, they said do not exceed 3ml per gallon, so for 6% I take it 1.5ml per gallon max. I dose slightly lower which is approx 18ml for 15 gallons. Going to do this 3-4 days. I have red algae (BBA but without the beard) in my tank.
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post Jun 20 2021, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jun 19 2021, 01:31 PM)
If for combating algae, if I'm not mistaken slightly more than dosage recommended on the bottle.

I just started experimenting with Hydrogen Peroxide 6%. For H2O2 3%, they said do not exceed 3ml per gallon, so for 6% I take it 1.5ml per gallon max. I dose slightly lower which is approx 18ml for 15 gallons. Going to do this 3-4 days. I have red algae (BBA but without the beard) in my tank.
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I actually quite curious on Excel when it is supposed to help plant grow. How it kills algae and at the same time provide C to plant?
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post Jun 21 2021, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jun 20 2021, 07:14 PM)
I actually quite curious on Excel when it is supposed to help plant grow. How it kills algae and at the same time provide C to plant?
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I'm not really sure. I think when using in higher dosage, it become algaecide. Same thing with copper sulfate.
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post Jun 21 2021, 09:44 AM

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It has a chemical compound which breakdown the simple plant structure/those with weak plant wall... and release the components ( mainly carbon and H2O) into the water column.

so dosing it will help in reducing algea in some way... say when the algea is in low concentration all over the tank.

if there high concentrated spot of algea... then they recommend spot dosing... high concentration at a localized area- and have the filter off for say 1 hr. Take note this isnt magic bullet- and might need to repeat 2-3 time

because of the way excel works... it will have impact on other simple/soft plants... like moss. but other more sturdy plant will not suffer as much.

we may also take note- Excel does not replace CO2 gas form. it only helps in someway.
so we can expect to have similar result... no way.
it can help low tech plant to grow well... but little help to high tech plant...

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post Jun 22 2021, 02:06 AM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jun 21 2021, 12:33 AM)
I'm not really sure. I think when using in higher dosage, it become algaecide. Same thing with copper sulfate.
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In that case, can we increase CO2 injection for the same purpose?


QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Jun 21 2021, 09:44 AM)
It has a chemical compound which breakdown the simple plant structure/those with weak plant wall... and release the components ( mainly carbon and H2O) into the water column.

so dosing it will help in reducing algea in some way... say when the algea is in low concentration all over the tank.

if there high concentrated spot of algea... then they recommend spot dosing... high concentration at a localized area- and have the filter off for say 1 hr. Take note this isnt magic bullet- and might need to repeat 2-3 time

because of the way excel works... it will have impact on other simple/soft plants... like moss. but other more sturdy plant will not suffer as much.

we may also take note- Excel does not replace CO2 gas form. it only helps in someway.
so we can expect to have similar result... no way.
it can help low tech plant to grow well... but little help to high tech plant...
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I'm using Excel and find it not really helpful in making the plant stronger. I think plant needs more fert than CO2 in liquid form...
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post Jun 22 2021, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jun 22 2021, 02:06 AM)
In that case, can we increase CO2 injection for the same purpose?
I'm using Excel and find it not really helpful in making the plant stronger. I think plant needs more fert than CO2 in liquid form...
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Excel and fert compliment one another. we need both as they are of different function.

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post Jun 22 2021, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jun 22 2021, 02:06 AM)
In that case, can we increase CO2 injection for the same purpose?
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Yeah, sure. Increasing CO2 injection, nutrients uptake also more efficient & this lead to better plant growth.
EDIT: Just in case I misunderstood you, I actually meant CO2 gas injection, either using pressurized CO2 tank or DIY CO2. CO2 only become liquid under sufficient high atmospheric pressure. So there is no liquid CO2. The product over the counter that labeled as liquid CO2 is misrepresented to say it nicely. It is actually liquid carbon or contain chemical that its byproduct is carbon.

BTW, I dose 18ml of H2O2 6% in 15 gallons tank for two days straight. I changed water last night, two days late, usually I do this on Sunday. I want to clean the glass because I noticed GSA a couple of days ago but last night it's gone. The glass clean. How about that. I have 5 silver flying fox, 3 corydoras & 1 Thailand ghost shrimp, all are alright. I'm out of H2O2 right now, cannot continue spot treatment for red algae.

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post Jun 23 2021, 11:23 AM

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Good to see GSA is reaching to H2O2
i've got at 50% H2O2 as well.. .will need to dilute proper.
very cautious on dosing into the tank.

it might not hurt the fishes... but am sure it does some damage to other plants right?
an sure the benefitial bacterial is hurt too.


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post Jun 23 2021, 12:30 PM

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H2O2 will kill snails. So make sure to take out your snails before dosing H2O2.

50% is a lot, yeah make sure to delute it properly. I use 6%, I just devude the dosage by 2. With 3%, some people adviced not to exceed 3 ml per gallon of water.

Definitely will kill beneficial bacteria. I can just hope most of the H2O2 reacted with all of the algae that what left of H2O2 is low enough to spare most of the microorganisms. The remaining H2O2 will break up to O2 & water a couple of hours later.

Mosses most vulnerable but a couple of video on YouTube where some people successfully medicated their moss with H2O2. I think it depends on the amount of algae on the moss & also the amount of H2O2 you use. These are two videos before & after when using H202 on moss.





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post Jun 24 2021, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jun 22 2021, 03:14 PM)
Yeah, sure. Increasing CO2 injection, nutrients uptake also more efficient & this lead to better plant growth.
EDIT: Just in case I misunderstood you, I actually meant CO2 gas injection, either using pressurized CO2 tank or DIY CO2. CO2 only become liquid under sufficient high atmospheric pressure. So there is no liquid CO2. The product over the counter that labeled as liquid CO2 is misrepresented to say it nicely. It is actually liquid carbon or contain chemical that its byproduct is carbon.

BTW, I dose 18ml of H2O2 6% in 15 gallons tank for two days straight. I changed water last night, two days late, usually I do this on Sunday. I want to clean the glass because I noticed GSA a couple of days ago but last night it's gone. The glass clean. How about that. I have 5 silver flying fox, 3 corydoras & 1 Thailand ghost shrimp, all are alright. I'm out of H2O2 right now, cannot continue spot treatment for red algae.
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post Jun 25 2021, 12:14 PM

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anyone does GH measurement here?
i have a few Seiyru stone in my tank- not sure if it affecting the tank GH causing plant grow to be very much stunned.

just got bought a cheap TDS meter to check, and if it is high, hard to do anything beside regular water change.

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Using Aheim classis 250 + Qanvee inline diffuser for my 10g tank...

Anyone been try putting inline diffuser on inlet instead of outlet?
What is the worst damage it could be?
Dont like the small mist putting on outlet now.


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