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post Jun 14 2015, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jun 12 2015, 10:59 PM)
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I'm planning to do that. Thanks.
Basically similar post-operative with female cats? I was hoping to transfer him to 3-storey cage one or two days after surgery. Do you think it's good idea? With my girls around a month ago, I kept them in small cages which basically limited their movement. The thing with my cats is that they don't sits quietly, always something to do & living in rural area, basically lots of insects they like to hunt & play. Cage kind of necessary in my situation to limit their movement & to help the wound healing properly. Thinking that with male cat, the incision is extremely small, I wonder whether transferring him to bigger cage one or two day after surgery is a good idea or not.
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For males its not an issue actually. They can move around after the operation as usual. Just don't bathe them for 10 days.

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post Jun 15 2015, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Asak8 @ Jun 15 2015, 10:38 AM)
Cool concept you got there. In TTDI right?
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QUOTE(Seager @ Jun 15 2015, 11:22 AM)
I'm giving Orijen which is good, but he suggested that I may move to Royal Canin since it helps maintain a healthy, smooth coat especially since I keep her indoors most of the time. Not too sure if I may switch kibbles again, since she seems to be very comfortable with Orijen, and given the fact that daily grooming has significantly reduced the amount of loose fur flying around the house and landing on furniture. Maybe that's why we call it FURniture after all eh? laugh.gif
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Don't switch to Royal Canin. Just look at the ingredients list and you'll know that its all crap. Vets will recommend it because they're sponsored by the main company. That main company also sends these vets for training in nutrition and such which is biased towards their own product. Its akin to McDonalds sponsoring doctors to tell you that their food is good for your health.

Orijien will do fine in maintaining a good coat. Would be better if you can get them off kibble and on to wet/raw food.
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post Jun 15 2015, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jun 15 2015, 02:35 PM)
My male cat neutered today but they don't have e-collar. We will need to monitor him regularly. It will be a long 14 days.
That's good to know. He already awake now & responding when I call him but still not fully awake. I'm planning to put him in the 3-storey cage tomorrow, when he fully awake. I don't want to separate him from his family. The other cats will be outside of the cage of course, only him in the cage.

My vet use simple stitches though like one stitch to close the outer incision. He told me the incision should be healed in 3 days. So, removing the stitch on male cats will be like removing stitches on female cats right? Either go to vet or do it ourselves right?

As far as I know, the male procedure is not as major as female spaying, the stitches are also a lot less likely to break apart through normal activity. All vets so far have said the males can go around as usual, only females need to be restricted. That said, doesn't hurt to be safe.


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I feed my cats with Royal Canin one time. They actually good though but the one I get is Persian 30. The ingredient of Persian 30 is good last time I checked. The ones for regular cat is the ones that have "regular" ingredients. Unfortunately, it's too pricey for my 20 cats or so.
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Its not really that good. Here's the ingredient list from the website:

"dehydrated poultry meat, rice, animal fats, maize flour, maize gluten, vegetable fibres, vegetable protein isolate*, hydrolysed animal proteins, minerals, chicory pulp, fish oil, psyllium husks and seeds, soya oil, fructo-oligo-saccharides, hydrolysed yeast (source of manno-oligo-saccharides), borage oil, marigold extract (source of lutein). ADDITIVES (per kg): Nutritional additives: Vitamin A: 25100 IU, Vitamin D3: 800 IU, E1 (Iron): 41 mg, E2 (Iodine): 2.9 mg, E4 (Copper): 9 mg, E5 (Manganese): 54 mg, E6 (Zinc): 204 mg, E8 (Selenium): 0.1 mg, L-lysine: 15.9 g - Preservatives"
First item is protein, which is good. However 2nd item is rice which is bad. They also broke down maize flour and maize gluten which could easily be listed as "corn" (also bad) on other ingredients list. We don't know the actual composition, so for all you know, combined it may be more than the meat.

Compare that to orijien's ingredients:

"Boneless chicken,* chicken meal, chicken liver,* whole herring,* boneless turkey,* turkey meal, turkey liver,* whole eggs,* boneless walleye,* whole salmon,* chicken heart,* chicken cartilage,* herring meal, salmon meal, chicken liver oil, chicken fat, red lentils, green peas, green lentils, sun-cured alfalfa, kelp, pumpkin,* butternut squash,* spinach greens,* carrots,* apples,* pears,* cranberries,* mixed tocopherols (preservative), chicory root, dandelion root, chamomile, peppermint leaf, ginger root, caraway seeds, turmeric, rose hips, freeze-dried chicken liver, freeze-dried turkey liver, freeze-dried chicken, freeze-dried turkey, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product + vitamins and minerals"

Lots of meat which is what they need. Cats are obligate carnivores, they have very little capacity to properly process vegetables and grain. Which is why you're seeling a lot of pet food companies removing grains from their ingredients as consumers become smarter about their cat's required nutrition.

That said, as long as your cat likes the food and is healthy, there's no point in trying to change their diet.
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post Jun 16 2015, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jun 15 2015, 04:07 PM)
Those are not ingredient of the RC Persian 30 that I used. No maize either. The ingredient you quoted is the "regular" RC I was referring to.

Would be interested to see its ingredient list then.

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I have to disagree with rice is bad. It's not at all. Rice mixed with boiled fish (without bones) is what a lot of people feeds their cats, at least in the rural area. My late grandmother feeds her cats with this & her cats don't experienced any health issue. My cats also don't have health issue. The only health issue my cats have are eye infection & flu. There's a lot of cats in my area when I was a child & I don't recall any of the cats have health issue. Lots of them grow old. Nowadays with the too fast cars & people tend to use pesticide when they too lazy to mows their backyard, many cats over here die at young age. No exception for "musang" either.

Rice is good for energy, but it should not make the bulk of their diet. If they're fine then they are likely getting more protein elsewhere. Maybe hunting the local rodents/birds or running around enough to burn off the rice they eat. When people talk about healthy cats and cats that live long, I find that people have different definitions of what is "healthy" and what's a long life for a cat.

For example an indoor cat lives an average life span of 12-15 years, some even get up to 20. While many outdoor cats pass on around the age of 8-9. Many even less. So many cats don't even live long enough for dietary problems to come into effect. High carb food has been found to be the biggest factor in feline diabetes.

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I always use, by your definition "bad" food, for my cats though & all I see is healthy cats. I like to help stray cats whenever possible & whenever I can, which the main reason I have many cats.

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Cats will hide pain and sickness to the best they can. It can be hard to detect problems in cats. Not saying that you're wrong or that your cats are unhealthy, but just be aware that they are rather resilient creatures that don't like to show weakness. For example, a symptom of feline diabetes is increased thirst/urination. Unless you're monitoring this properly, you wouldn't know if the symptom even exists.
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post Jun 16 2015, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Jun 16 2015, 05:00 AM)
It's all over the place because the pet food manufacturers are all over the place. Some people even resort to raw feeding because they want to be able to control what goes into their pets' diet.

I'm a raw feeder smile.gif Controlling what goes in is great, but the best part is the level of nutrition they get is pretty massive. When I transistioned my cat from wet to raw, her fur became silky smooth, incredible amount of energy, smaller poop that hardly smells, no odor in breath, etc.

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I'm in the camp of "whatever is working for your pet, with silky fur and good bowel movements, just keep doing what you're doing".
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Believe it or not, I'm in the same camp. As long as your cats are fine, continue what you're doing. Some people's cats do fine on whiskas, who am I to say anything about it.

However, when it comes to a discussion on actual nutrition for the cats, then I can say rice is not a good ingredient for them. Its mostly academic and up to the owners to make their choice. If your body can take it, you can be healthy on a diet of McDonalds, doesn't mean its good food though.

QUOTE(kizwan @ Jun 16 2015, 09:25 AM)
I'm pretty much in the same camp. What really work for my cats is rice mixed with boiled fish. The results are good bowel movements & no vomiting. Since I'm a "modern" cat owner, I always prefer more balanced nutrient pet food of course. Basically at the beginning I feed my cats kibbles in the morning & rice mixed with boiled fish in the evening. However when I started to stay with kibbles for both meals, my cats started having diarrhoea & vomiting. I changed the pet food a couple of times, because I'm pretty committed to balanced nutrient pet food, until I found one that worked for all of my cats. And it does contain rice in the ingredient.

Balanced is indeed key, but what is balanced to humans is not the same with other animals.

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As for wet/canned food, I can't find one that worked for all of my cats though. A couple of my cats will have diarrhoea when I feed wet food though. I have no idea why is that.

If they were on kibble, then its common to get diarrhoea if you transitioned too quickly. The same can be said with almost any food change, it takes time for the gut to adjust, especially if making transition from food with vastly different textures.

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I never have fur problem with my cats. Of course if I didn't sweep or vacuum the floor for a week, there will be some clumping furs under the furniture and on the carpets.

Fur will shed, can't run away from that laugh.gif

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In my opinion, pet food contain corn & rice & even by-product not necessarily bad. All "good" food is expensive to many people, especially that adopted many cats though.
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Not necessarily bad, but not good either. What's important is composition, as long as grains and by products are in small quantities its often fine.
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post Jun 16 2015, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jun 16 2015, 11:44 AM)
Oyen in bigger cage in the front hall. this cage purpose was to cage our cats when we have visitors. Not all of course, the rest will be locked in the bedroom. I think some of you have seen this cage but with different cats in it.

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post Jun 19 2015, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Jun 17 2015, 06:45 AM)
My vet was just commenting on how soft my black cat is this morning, and I don't raw feed, so I'm not convinced by raw feeding being the best.

We have one cat here on kibble, pure black cat as well. Her fur is soft and silky smooth. She is however gaining a lot of weight compared to the rest.

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I must say I'm surprised there's no bad breath. No rancid bits of raw food in their mouths?

Nope, their breath is pretty much odourless. Raw meat is pretty "clean" in the sense that it doesn't have the tendency to stick to teeth and such, easy for them to use their tongues to clean any excess.

QUOTE(skydrake @ Jun 17 2015, 07:12 PM)
support this thread! i'm cat lover! sad things is living in condo not allowed to have it >.< must work hard to get my landed property and get a CAT!
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post Jun 20 2015, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Jun 19 2015, 07:02 PM)
nice! how's biz? gooding? got any picture of the cafe to shares?
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post Aug 7 2015, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(owenwong84 @ Aug 6 2015, 12:17 AM)
Anybody know where can i buy playpen... Actually not a playpen, looking for like a long gate. Dunwan my cat to cross over to balcony.
Something like that, can detach and attach more
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They'll just jump or climb over it laugh.gif

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