Couldn't agree more. RC is crap and overpriced. I still see many cat owners keep using this brand.

As far as I know, the male procedure is not as major as female spaying, the stitches are also a lot less likely to break apart through normal activity. All vets so far have said the males can go around as usual, only females need to be restricted. That said, doesn't hurt to be safe.



Its not really that good. Here's the ingredient list from the website:

"dehydrated poultry meat, rice, animal fats, maize flour, maize gluten, vegetable fibres, vegetable protein isolate*, hydrolysed animal proteins, minerals, chicory pulp, fish oil, psyllium husks and seeds, soya oil, fructo-oligo-saccharides, hydrolysed yeast (source of manno-oligo-saccharides), borage oil, marigold extract (source of lutein). ADDITIVES (per kg): Nutritional additives: Vitamin A: 25100 IU, Vitamin D3: 800 IU, E1 (Iron): 41 mg, E2 (Iodine): 2.9 mg, E4 (Copper): 9 mg, E5 (Manganese): 54 mg, E6 (Zinc): 204 mg, E8 (Selenium): 0.1 mg, L-lysine: 15.9 g - Preservatives"
First item is protein, which is good. However 2nd item is rice which is bad. They also broke down maize flour and maize gluten which could easily be listed as "corn" (also bad) on other ingredients list. We don't know the actual composition, so for all you know, combined it may be more than the meat.

Compare that to orijien's ingredients:

"Boneless chicken,* chicken meal, chicken liver,* whole herring,* boneless turkey,* turkey meal, turkey liver,* whole eggs,* boneless walleye,* whole salmon,* chicken heart,* chicken cartilage,* herring meal, salmon meal, chicken liver oil, chicken fat, red lentils, green peas, green lentils, sun-cured alfalfa, kelp, pumpkin,* butternut squash,* spinach greens,* carrots,* apples,* pears,* cranberries,* mixed tocopherols (preservative), chicory root, dandelion root, chamomile, peppermint leaf, ginger root, caraway seeds, turmeric, rose hips, freeze-dried chicken liver, freeze-dried turkey liver, freeze-dried chicken, freeze-dried turkey, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product + vitamins and minerals"

Lots of meat which is what they need. Cats are obligate carnivores, they have very little capacity to properly process vegetables and grain. Which is why you're seeling a lot of pet food companies removing grains from their ingredients as consumers become smarter about their cat's required nutrition.

That said, as long as your cat likes the food and is healthy, there's no point in trying to change their diet.

I read a lot about post-operative male cats but they don't go into details like post-operative female cats. But they did mentioned about the male cats only require very small incision which I think I don't need to put them in small cage like I did with my girls. I agree. doesn't hurt to be safe especially there's only gov vet clinic here & they only operating during office hour & no after hour on-call vet around. I think there should be no problem transferring him to bigger cage tomorrow. At least he will have more freedom to move around than the small cage.

Those are not ingredient of the RC Persian 30 that I used. No maize either. The ingredient you quoted is the "regular" RC I was referring to.

I have to disagree with rice is bad. It's not at all. Rice mixed with boiled fish (without bones) is what a lot of people feeds their cats, at least in the rural area. My late grandmother feeds her cats with this & her cats don't experienced any health issue. My cats also don't have health issue. The only health issue my cats have are eye infection & flu. There's a lot of cats in my area when I was a child & I don't recall any of the cats have health issue. Lots of them grow old. Nowadays with the too fast cars & people tend to use pesticide when they too lazy to mows their backyard, many cats over here die at young age. No exception for "musang" either.

I always use, by your definition "bad" food, for my cats though & all I see is healthy cats. I like to help stray cats whenever possible & whenever I can, which the main reason I have many cats.

Just sharing my experiences & my 2 cents.

This post has been edited by kizwan: Jun 15 2015, 04:17 PM

Oyen, my cat, fully awake since this evening. Recovery from general anesthesia much quicker than my girls though. Also he doesn't seems to lost his appetite unlike my girls which does loose appetite during the first 48 hours.

I have one concern though. When I read about preparing female cats before spaying, all articles I read mentioned do not withdraw water before surgery but when I researching for preparing male cats before neutering, some of the articles mentioned withdraw the water too. So basically this time I withdraw the water sometime around 9 to 10 p.m. (Food was withdrawn earlier than that, around 7.30 p.m.) Is there any reason why there's difference for pre-operative between female & male cats?

This post has been edited by kizwan: Jun 15 2015, 11:05 PM

Would be interested to see its ingredient list then.


Rice is good for energy, but it should not make the bulk of their diet. If they're fine then they are likely getting more protein elsewhere. Maybe hunting the local rodents/birds or running around enough to burn off the rice they eat. When people talk about healthy cats and cats that live long, I find that people have different definitions of what is "healthy" and what's a long life for a cat.

For example an indoor cat lives an average life span of 12-15 years, some even get up to 20. While many outdoor cats pass on around the age of 8-9. Many even less. So many cats don't even live long enough for dietary problems to come into effect. High carb food has been found to be the biggest factor in feline diabetes.


Cats will hide pain and sickness to the best they can. It can be hard to detect problems in cats. Not saying that you're wrong or that your cats are unhealthy, but just be aware that they are rather resilient creatures that don't like to show weakness. For example, a symptom of feline diabetes is increased thirst/urination. Unless you're monitoring this properly, you wouldn't know if the symptom even exists.

It's all over the place because the pet food manufacturers are all over the place. Some people even resort to raw feeding because they want to be able to control what goes into their pets' diet. I'm in the camp of "whatever is working for your pet, with silky fur and good bowel movements, just keep doing what you're doing".

All of the cats back then are outdoors though. I remember at least one female cat (our cat) live around 10 years. I don't remember how long other cats live though.

So far I have not notice any changes in water intake or urination with my cats. Not much variations in the amount of clumping litter I removed everyday. My cats live indoor but the oldest did live indoor & outdoor for a while before finally indoor again.

I'm pretty much in the same camp. What really work for my cats is rice mixed with boiled fish. The results are good bowel movements & no vomiting. Since I'm a "modern" cat owner, I always prefer more balanced nutrient pet food of course. Basically at the beginning I feed my cats kibbles in the morning & rice mixed with boiled fish in the evening. However when I started to stay with kibbles for both meals, my cats started having diarrhoea & vomiting. I changed the pet food a couple of times, because I'm pretty committed to balanced nutrient pet food, until I found one that worked for all of my cats. And it does contain rice in the ingredient.

As for wet/canned food, I can't find one that worked for all of my cats though. A couple of my cats will have diarrhoea when I feed wet food though. I have no idea why is that.

I never have fur problem with my cats. Of course if I didn't sweep or vacuum the floor for a week, there will be some clumping furs under the furniture and on the carpets.

In my opinion, pet food contain corn & rice & even by-product not necessarily bad. All "good" food is expensive to many people, especially that adopted many cats though.

This post has been edited by kizwan: Jun 16 2015, 09:41 AM

I don't think byproducts are bad. After all, in the wild, cats eat everything, even their prey's stomach contents.

Oyen in bigger cage in the front hall. this cage purpose was to cage our cats when we have visitors. Not all of course, the rest will be locked in the bedroom. I think some of you have seen this cage but with different cats in it.



This post has been edited by kizwan: Jun 16 2015, 11:49 AM


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I'm a raw feeder Controlling what goes in is great, but the best part is the level of nutrition they get is pretty massive. When I transistioned my cat from wet to raw, her fur became silky smooth, incredible amount of energy, smaller poop that hardly smells, no odor in breath, etc.

Believe it or not, I'm in the same camp. As long as your cats are fine, continue what you're doing. Some people's cats do fine on whiskas, who am I to say anything about it.

However, when it comes to a discussion on actual nutrition for the cats, then I can say rice is not a good ingredient for them. Its mostly academic and up to the owners to make their choice. If your body can take it, you can be healthy on a diet of McDonalds, doesn't mean its good food though.


Balanced is indeed key, but what is balanced to humans is not the same with other animals.


If they were on kibble, then its common to get diarrhoea if you transitioned too quickly. The same can be said with almost any food change, it takes time for the gut to adjust, especially if making transition from food with vastly different textures.


Fur will shed, can't run away from that


Not necessarily bad, but not good either. What's important is composition, as long as grains and by products are in small quantities its often fine.

Cute kitty Bet he can't wait to get out to run around and cause mischief

Yeah, I'm too bet he can't wait to get out. Fortunately he is very calm cat, didn't make any noise when I put him in the cage. However I can't say the same thing when we're feeding him medicine earlier. First day always the hardest.

BTW, do you think it's good idea to break the tablets to small pieces & mixed with the wet food? If I can do this, I can use this trick for tomorrow. This cat really a fighter when come to medicine.

This post has been edited by kizwan: Jun 16 2015, 03:02 PM

My vet was just commenting on how soft my black cat is this morning, and I don't raw feed, so I'm not convinced by raw feeding being the best.

I did look into raw feeding, when I was planning on adopting my two girls, but in the end, I decided against it. A butcher is not readily available where I was and where I am now (yeah I wasn't gonna just get grocery store stuff lol). I must say I'm surprised there's no bad breath. No rancid bits of raw food in their mouths?

But yeah, whatever works for your cats.

This post has been edited by spunkberry: Jun 17 2015, 07:07 AM

support this thread! i'm cat lover! sad things is living in condo not allowed to have it >.< must work hard to get my landed property and get a CAT!

I live in a condo, and I have a cat
But then again, don't keep a cat for the sake of keeping a cat. Mine's basically an equal family member

Make sure you have what it takes to carry out your responsibility as an owner before proceeding though!

guess what u said is truly right!

^^ Definitely this. Please do research first & talk with people that already have cat. It's BIG responsibility. Every cat we adopted will become our family member & we don't throw away our own family member.

+1

As it is costly to have a baby, it is the same as well when getting a cat.
You know it's a family member when your monthly budgeting includes their food, their litter and of course, emergency fund for suprise vet visit.

Not to forget, initial cost of neuter/spay, vaccine, tick check and etc.

Make sure you are financially ready to get a cat. Good luck

I live in an apartment and I have two cats

They don't cost as much as a child does, but you do have to be prepared for emergency vet visits and food and medication etc.

Hi guys,

I'm going to send my cat to oversea and need to perform clinical test in Government Approved Veterinary.

Do anyone know any vet that is Government Approved and qualify to send pet to oversea after that?