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shikimori
post Jan 30 2015, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 08:58 AM)
Update from nVidia:-
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In other words they're not going to fix it ? Screw Nvidia I'm going to sell my card if they do not offer fix or refund
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post Jan 30 2015, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 30 2015, 09:01 AM)
In other words they're not going to fix it ?  Screw Nvidia I'm going to sell my card if they do not offer fix or refund
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1. I guess they will try to improve your gaming experience (same like every driver update. Just don't expect 3.5GB become real 4GB)
2. You need to define the word "fix". What is "fix"? If fix it become 4GB is impossible. No way they can fix that. Improve gaming experience will be done though.
3. As usual, nVidia will tell you that the gaming experience is same since the launch of GTX970. They are very proud.

P/S: I notice you have SLI GTX970. I think you are the worst victim here. Most affected person in this problem is SLI GTX970.

This post has been edited by gogo2: Jan 30 2015, 09:08 AM
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post Jan 30 2015, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 30 2015, 09:01 AM)
In other words they're not going to fix it ?  Screw Nvidia I'm going to sell my card if they do not offer fix or refund
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Please sell the card. It's your call anyway.
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post Jan 30 2015, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 09:07 AM)
P/S: I notice you have SLI GTX970. I think you are the worst victim here. Most affected person in this problem is SLI GTX970.
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Does it have lower benchmark score? No, as far as I can tell.


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post Jan 30 2015, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:12 AM)
Does it have lower benchmark score? No, as far as I can tell.
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Benchmark is useless because FPS and stuttering is different. On some games you may have high FPS can get bad stuttering until cannot play. All depends on games, and GTX 980 aren't affected.
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post Jan 30 2015, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:12 AM)
Does it have lower benchmark score? No, as far as I can tell.
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Nope. But from across the internet, SLi user are affected the most because they thought they wanna run multi monitor or 4k setup.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 30 2015, 09:15 AM)
Benchmark is useless because FPS and stuttering is different. On some games you may have high FPS can get bad stuttering until cannot play. All depends on games, and GTX 980 aren't affected.
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Which games have stuttering issue?
To be specific, which games are not supported by GTX970?
Will it be fixed (either by firmware or driver)?
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 30 2015, 09:15 AM)
Benchmark is useless because FPS and stuttering is different. On some games you may have high FPS can get bad stuttering until cannot play. All depends on games, and GTX 980 aren't affected.
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Benchmark vs real life blush.gif
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post Jan 30 2015, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 09:17 AM)
Nope. But from across the internet, SLi user are affected the most because they thought they wanna run multi monitor or 4k setup.
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We will need to see how far it affected the 4K games.

As far as shikimori's case is concerned, he is running SLI on U2913WM, which is 1080p.
Is the performance affected? Again, which games? Can it be fixed by either firmware or driver?
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:17 AM)
Which games have stuttering issue?
To be specific, which games are not supported by GTX970?
Will it be fixed (either by firmware or driver)?
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Some example like Far Cry 4, COD Advanced Warfare. You must set the settings to use lower than 3.5GB VRAM or you'll get stutter. Single card stutter isn't bad but in SLI it's worse.

The worst part is, most people went for GTX 970 SLI because it was the best performance per cost at the time, now they got ******.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:19 AM)
We will need to see how far it affected the 4K games.

As far as shikimori's case is concerned, he is running SLI on U2913WM, which is 1080p.
Is the performance affected? Again, which games? Can it be fixed by either firmware or driver?
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Wait for Nvidia's response. The only way it can be fixed is to hard lock the VRAM to 3.5GB and not using more...
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post Jan 30 2015, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 30 2015, 09:20 AM)
Some example like Far Cry 4, COD Advanced Warfare. You must set the settings to use lower than 3.5GB VRAM or you'll get stutter. Single card stutter isn't bad but in SLI it's worse.

The worst part is, most people went for GTX 970 SLI because it was the best performance per cost at the time, now they got ******.
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If the stuttering on single card is not worse than SLI, it sounds like an unoptimized driver, no?
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:24 AM)
If the stuttering on single card is not worse than SLI, it sounds like an unoptimized driver, no?
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It's not because of unoptimized driver, it's caused by using over 3.5GB VRAM and cause spikes in frametimes aka stutter. GTX980 have no such thing when ran the same thing. Both using the same driver.

Seriously go read some reviews on this issue on many sites like Guru3D and PCPER.

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post Jan 30 2015, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:19 AM)
We will need to see how far it affected the 4K games.

As far as shikimori's case is concerned, he is running SLI on U2913WM, which is 1080p.
Is the performance affected? Again, which games? Can it be fixed by either firmware or driver?
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Performance is affected by:-
a) game played
b) game setting

Again, you have to define fixed.

1) Do you mean fixed like fixed it become real 4GB memory?
Answer: Nope
2) Do you mean fixed like fixed the performance issue?
Answer: As always, nVidia will improve the performance of its driver to increase the performance of its card in games.
But based on this:-
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I realize I made it sound like there was a special patch or something and that is definitely not the case

Seems like there will not be a special patch/ROM/driver fix for the specific 3.5GB/4GB issue.

So there you go.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 30 2015, 09:21 AM)
Wait for Nvidia's response. The only way it can be fixed is to hard lock the VRAM to 3.5GB and not using more...
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http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-...e-with-drivers/

no Hope, as it is hardware architecture design issue, nVidia to 970 users: Deal with it cool2.gif
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 30 2015, 09:25 AM)
It's not because of unoptimized driver, it's caused by using over 3.5GB VRAM and cause spikes in frametimes aka stutter. GTX980 have no such thing when ran the same thing. Both using the same driver.

Seriously go read some reviews on this issue on many sites like Guru3D and PCPER.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 09:28 AM)
Performance is affected by:-
a) game played
b) game setting

Again, you have to define fixed.

1) Do you mean fixed like fixed it become real 4GB memory?
Answer: Nope
2) Do you mean fixed like fixed the performance issue?
Answer: As always, nVidia will improve the performance of its driver to increase the performance of its card in games.
But based on this:-

Seems like there will not be a special patch/ROM/driver fix for the specific 3.5GB/4GB issue.

So there you go.
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Already read many reports on the VRAM issue.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/middle-ea...tress-test.html

The performance is the same. Still the best bang for a buck card you can get.
Yeah, deal with it.

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Concluding

Our product reviews in the past few months and its conclusion are not any different opposed to everything that has happened in the past few days, the product still performans similar to what we have shown you as hey .. it is in fact the same product. The clusterf*** that Nvidia dropped here is simple, they have not informed the media or their customers about the memory partitioning and the challenges they face. Overall you will have a hard time pushing any card over 3.5 GB of graphics memory usage with any game unless you do some freaky stuff. The ones that do pass 3.5 GB mostly are poor console ports or situations where you game in Ultra HD or DSR Ultra HD rendering. In that situation I cannot guarantee that your overall experience will be trouble free, however we have a hard time detecting and replicating the stuttering issues some people have mentioned.



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post Jan 30 2015, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:59 AM)
Already read many reports on the VRAM issue.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/middle-ea...tress-test.html

The performance is the same. Still the best bang for a buck card you can get.
Yeah, deal with it.
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If that conclusion make you feel any better, then good. Some people just don't like being cheated. Also this is effectively 3.5GB card.
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post Jan 30 2015, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 10:04 AM)
If that conclusion make you feel any better, then good. Some people just don't like being cheated. Also this is effectively 3.5GB card.
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Same here, and the most unacceptable thing here is nVidia took more than 4 months to realize this issue. doh.gif sweat.gif
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post Jan 30 2015, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 10:04 AM)
If that conclusion make you feel any better, then good. Some people just don't like being cheated. Also this is effectively 3.5GB card.
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To be honest, I don't feel any bad at all.
Why? It delivers the same result I expected from this card.
Why should I feel sad?

I don't look at the specs alone.
I look at the performance as well.

Look at the performance hit between GTX980 and GTX970.
It makes perfect sense.
So, why should I feel sad? Over that 0.5GB? With the same performance delivered?

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/middle-ea...tress-test.html
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On GTX 980, Shadows of Mordor drops about 24% on GTX 980 and 25% on GTX 970, a 1% difference.  On Battlefield 4, the drop is 47% on GTX 980 and 50% on GTX 970, a 3% difference.  On CoD: AW, the drop is 41% on GTX 980 and 44% on GTX 970, a 3% difference.  As you can see, there is very little change in the performance of the GTX 970 relative to GTX 980 on these games when it is using the 0.5GB segment.

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 30 2015, 10:08 AM)
Same here, and the most unacceptable thing here is nVidia took more than 4 months to realize this issue. doh.gif sweat.gif
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And then top it off with no official announcement. No official spec changes. What we have now is PCPer announcement. LOL

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