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post Jan 27 2015, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 27 2015, 04:15 PM)
r u sure really 8GB vram on 290x? hmm.gif
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lol
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post Jan 27 2015, 06:20 PM

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Kitguru;
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-...wing-a-scandal/

"According to a report by PCPerspective, which cites Jonah Alben, senior vice president of GPU engineering at Nvidia, the GeForce GTX 970 features 56 raster operating pipelines (ROPs) and 1792KB L2 cache, not 64 ROPs and 2MB of cache, as previously reported. In a GeForce GTX 980, each block of L2/ROPs directly communicate through a 32-bit portion of the GM204 memory interface and then to a 512MB section of on-board memory. Since the model GTX 970 lacks part of L2 and ROPs, it cannot effectively use 512MB of 4096MB of onboard GDDR5 memory."

lol I believe even in GPU-Z your GTX970's show 64 ROPs yes? Nvidia did some big con job this time.

This post has been edited by raydenex: Jan 27 2015, 06:23 PM
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post Jan 27 2015, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(raydenex @ Jan 27 2015, 06:20 PM)
Kitguru;
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-...wing-a-scandal/

"According to a report by PCPerspective, which cites Jonah Alben, senior vice president of GPU engineering at Nvidia, the GeForce GTX 970 features 56 raster operating pipelines (ROPs) and 1792KB L2 cache, not 64 ROPs and 2MB of cache, as previously reported. In a GeForce GTX 980, each block of L2/ROPs directly communicate through a 32-bit portion of the GM204 memory interface and then to a 512MB section of on-board memory. Since the model GTX 970 lacks part of L2 and ROPs, it cannot effectively use 512MB of 4096MB of onboard GDDR5 memory."

lol I believe even in GPU-Z your GTX970's show 64 ROPs yes? Nvidia did some big con job this time.
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This con job have covered over the fact that GTX970 has the worst coil whine in the history of graphic card. sweat.gif
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post Jan 27 2015, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:30 PM)
This con job have covered over the fact that GTX970 has the worst coil whine in the history of graphic card.  sweat.gif
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Like seriously?
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post Jan 27 2015, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 27 2015, 06:31 PM)
Like seriously?
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well, isn't that everyone talking about since GTX970 appear in the market? Eventhough it might not be full truth, but the whiners about coil whine make it like the worst thing ever happened to a graphic card..... sweat.gif

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post Jan 27 2015, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 27 2015, 06:31 PM)
Like seriously?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:34 PM)
well, isn't that everyone talking about since GTX970 appear in the market? Eventhough it might not be full truth, but the whiners about coil whine make it like the worst thing ever happened to a graphic card.....  sweat.gif
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PSU is also one of the factors of coil whine,i think. hmm.gif
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post Jan 27 2015, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:34 PM)
well, isn't that everyone talking about since GTX970 appear in the market? Eventhough it might not be full truth, but the whiners about coil whine make it like the worst thing ever happened to a graphic card.....  sweat.gif
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yup, in geforce forum , you can see a lot of complaints about it.
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post Jan 27 2015, 07:08 PM

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Nvidia should've sold this card with 3.5GB VRAM in the first place.
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post Jan 27 2015, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 27 2015, 06:31 PM)
Like seriously?
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yes, seriously. It's quite bad.

Having the problem myself with my 970
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post Jan 27 2015, 08:17 PM

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I'm pretty sure a lot of nVidia users are ready to jump ship into AMD after this scandal... sweat.gif shocking.gif
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post Jan 27 2015, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 27 2015, 07:08 PM)
Nvidia should've sold this card with 3.5GB VRAM in the first place.
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The funny thing is.. they could've advertised the GTX970 with 3.5gb VRAM and people would have STILL bought it and say what a wonderful price to performance ratio the card is.
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post Jan 27 2015, 09:04 PM

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To make it worst.....they actually 'mistated' the ROP counts........
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 27 2015, 08:17 PM)
I'm pretty sure a lot of nVidia users are ready to jump ship into AMD after this scandal... sweat.gif shocking.gif
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hmm bro, for many switching between red and green is a routine every few months or few years, although this time would be rather funny seeing that many reds jumped to green for the GTX970, and for the same reason/card those who are pissed may jump back to red camp. Hilarious.
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post Jan 27 2015, 09:35 PM

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im still lovin my gtx970 even if i was conned 512mb of vram lol
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post Jan 27 2015, 09:47 PM

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A video discussion from PCPER to better understand the issue.
Good watch but i don't buy that bs "miscommunication between engineers and marketing department" shiats.




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post Jan 27 2015, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(raydenex @ Jan 27 2015, 06:20 PM)
Kitguru;
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-...wing-a-scandal/

"According to a report by PCPerspective, which cites Jonah Alben, senior vice president of GPU engineering at Nvidia, the GeForce GTX 970 features 56 raster operating pipelines (ROPs) and 1792KB L2 cache, not 64 ROPs and 2MB of cache, as previously reported. In a GeForce GTX 980, each block of L2/ROPs directly communicate through a 32-bit portion of the GM204 memory interface and then to a 512MB section of on-board memory. Since the model GTX 970 lacks part of L2 and ROPs, it cannot effectively use 512MB of 4096MB of onboard GDDR5 memory."

lol I believe even in GPU-Z your GTX970's show 64 ROPs yes? Nvidia did some big con job this time.
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but ur 980 no this vram thingy so is ok la.. just move on. hope can refund.
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:30 PM)
This con job have covered over the fact that GTX970 has the worst coil whine in the history of graphic card.  sweat.gif
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I don't know about that actually being true... but I had a 290 and it was way worse than my MSI 970 Gaming and Gold editions.

I think the reason why there are so much more reports on coil whine with the 970 is more due to the fact that this is Nvidia's best selling card since the 8800GT. Every single x70 series card prior had coil whine too btw. sweat.gif
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(raydenex @ Jan 27 2015, 09:02 PM)
The funny thing is.. they could've advertised the GTX970 with 3.5gb VRAM and people would have STILL bought it and say what a wonderful price to performance ratio the card is.
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 27 2015, 09:04 PM)
To make it worst.....they actually 'mistated' the ROP counts........
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This. +100000000000

If they actually came clean in the first place, the 970 would still have sell over a million units in 2 months. I mean, despite the fact the 970 has a gimped 0.5GB of VRAM, it is still undeniably the best $350/RM1.1-1.5k in a very, very, long time.

I think most people without bottomless pockets can agree with me if I say the 980 is great, but it isn't $220/RM500-RM700 better than the 970. Hard to deny that fact.
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 28 2015, 01:15 AM)
This. +100000000000

If they actually came clean in the first place, the 970 would still have sell over a million units in 2 months. I mean, despite the fact the 970 has a gimped 0.5GB of VRAM, it is still undeniably the best $350/RM1.1-1.5k in a very, very, long time.

I think most people without bottomless pockets can agree with me if I say the 980 is great, but it isn't $220/RM500-RM700 better than the 970. Hard to deny that fact.
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sweat.gif The only problem is.......any new games will depend on Nvidia for driver optimization so that the slow 0.5gb wont get used wrongly.

It did result in stutter though.

Example, when I rename some of the recent game to (example) game123.exe and try to load the VRAM to breach the 3.5GB limit, it actually stuttering with lotta spike in frametime.

When I rename back to the original game.exe, the stutter is gone and the vram usage stays consistently within 3.5gb limit.

I wonder why no one bother the rename their games executable to test the driver optimization impact like I did?

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 28 2015, 01:21 AM)
sweat.gif  The only problem is.......any new games will depend on Nvidia for driver optimization so that the slow 0.5gb wont get used wrongly.

It did result in stutter though.

Example, when I rename some of the recent game to (example) game123.exe and try to load the VRAM to breach the 3.5GB limit, it actually stuttering with lotta spike in frametime.

When I rename back to the original game.exe, the stutter is gone and the vram usage stays consistently within 3.5gb limit.

I wonder why no one bother the rename their games executable to test the driver optimization impact like I did?
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stuttering issue really put me off and shit even happen at nvidia optimize game like dying light.
If this ram fiasco causing it I really want a refund

getting 120 fps ++ but stuttering intermittently zzz

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