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post Sep 3 2015, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Sep 3 2015, 04:26 PM)
I dont think our foreign currency reserve consist of only USD
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Yes, it is not consist only USD, but also Yen, Euro etc.
But majority will be in USD.

Because world trade and export always done primary in USD denominated, except business done with Jap (they prefer Yen), and Europe. While the rest of the world generally use USD as settlement medium.

Petronas export oil, will receive USD as payment as oil is sold in USD term, so it takes the USD and exchange back to RM, BNM will have USD in the foreign currency reserves.

Foreigner buyer come in Malaysia to buy palm oil in Malaysia, they will bring USD to BNM to exchange to RM then pay the palm oil company.

Corporate borrowed from overseas in USD and bring back to Malaysia for their corporate funding, then the USD will go to BNM.

So, USD is the ultimate important currency in the foreign currency reserves coffer.

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post Sep 3 2015, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Sep 3 2015, 07:49 PM)
How about with China? I thought at one time, Malaysia is suppose to have direct RMB/MYR settlement exchange center and skip USD altogether therefore should not have any detrimental effect. But, recent Yuan move (intentional devaluation against greenbacks) seems to hurt Ringgit more.  hmm.gif
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Yuan is not a international tradable currency, or yet.
That's why Yuan still has a long journey to go before become an international currency.

Direct settlement exchange has its limitation, as you need to have a direct match and quantity may have limitation.

While with USD which is international tradable easily one, you can bring the USD to anywhere to exchange, remit to anywhere or anyone.
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post Sep 3 2015, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(yolldddd @ Sep 3 2015, 06:37 PM)
As long as the reserve do not fall to rm50bil still got enough reserve to maintain the ringgit till the economy recover.
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Please do not post if you don't know what you are talking about.
Ty.

At the moment, USD 90 bil is barely enough to fund the short term external debt or in other word able to cover short term external debt at 1x level.
RM 50 bil, potential need to look for IMF aid already.

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post Sep 3 2015, 09:43 PM

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USD 90 bil mark is not a dire situation, still has room of comfort as long as the foreign currency reserves is preserved for its primary intention (instead being used in forex market intervention), while still able to register a trade plus and current account surplus in the near future.

But you don't wait until situation worsen only start to worry and react, there is a need to premature cautious about the situation and have plan to counter it.

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post Sep 4 2015, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(Binyamin @ Sep 4 2015, 10:21 AM)
Yeah like a sovereign debt crisis. We will most likely default, life will still go on though not to worry.

Our trouble will be the same reason why Greece got into trouble when they converted their debts to euro when they join the European union.

Just that ours is in USD.
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Incorrect.
It is not a debt crisis to start with.
Malaysia is still able to service the sovereign debt, no issue of defaulting for near term, as long as fiscal deficit is tackled and being pared down.

Majority of Malaysia sovereign debt is in RM denominated, not USD.

The issue now is capital outflow that causing RM depreciation more than others , which also resulted foreign currency reserves dropping fast (but not in dire situation).
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post Sep 4 2015, 02:57 PM

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Please do not bring in political talk any any political name.
Please post it in RWI discussion section.

This is to prevent the topic being derailed.

Ty.
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post Sep 4 2015, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Binyamin @ Sep 4 2015, 03:29 PM)
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/01/entertai...ogg-italy-feat/

If this happens here owning USD in our local banks won't do any good I will think. It is called civil asset forfeiture to control capital and squeeze money out of the people. This usually happens in hard times.

So to avoid that having an offshore account might be a safer bet.
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Control in term of bring cash abroad is everywhere, you cannot bring too much cash abroad or into a country as well, most country imposed a limit on it one, which is vary from one to another.

This is to avoid money laundering, not to do with squeeze money out of people or intend to forfeit public asset.

Even Malaysia imposed capital control back 1998, people still can remit money to overseas, just need to have declaration the intention of it.

So no such thing of forfeit or seizure asset simply.

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post Sep 4 2015, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 4 2015, 04:07 PM)
Data end-July 2015 :-

Exports rose 3.2% y-o-y.
Imports rose MORE, by 5.9% y-o-y.

The above could have caused the Trade Surplus to drop by a whopping RM7.98bil in end-June to RM2.38bil in end-July, 2015.

That Trade Surplus figure of USD559.9mil will help towards our International Reserves. However, the trend (falling surplus here, especially after such a big fall)  observed does not seem to be healthy.

Who said the Trade Surplus will grow in our favour with the wekening RM, and I had asked one question earlier on how much has the Trade Surplus figure been helping out in our Int'l Reserves. That question was never answered - above is the answer for the month end-July 2015.

Let's see for end-August 2015 next mth.
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To be fair, give some benefit of doubt in term of

1. July is festive month, lesser working days for many factories so output/export might be a bit lower.

2. Weakening of RM is more pronounce after end of July (July time RM/USD was 3.80, but weakening fast since Aug). So the impact of weak RM has not fully reflected yet.

3. Let see those increase in import will translate into increase in export in Aug. As bulk of import from the past history were semi-finished goods (especially electronics), that being processed here and export later on.
Considered domestic consumption has weaken, so import figure shouldn't be as good, unless those import increase are most semi-finished goods or big capital expenditure like heavy machinery etc.

Yes, a lower trade surplus indeed a concern, but not a disastrous figure.

We need Aug data to see further the real effect and trending.
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post Sep 4 2015, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 4 2015, 04:51 PM)
Counter-replies :-

1) I believed we are comparing bet exports and imports year to year between 2014 and 2015. I can understand that there is a slowdown of output/exports in the month of July, 2015 compared to last year's July, 2014.  Why should there be such a big jump in imports between JUly 2015 and last year's July ?

2) I thought abt the currency effect too,... BUT : if the RM weakens against the USD, the end result would be us getting higher RM figures. The higher RM figures would be reflected in both the import and export numbers, if they ARE to be denominated in the RM. If both go up together, the ratio would still be the same, since mathematically, the numerator and the denominator are rising together. It is the ratio,.. well, for me now, that I am more interested in.

I believed the original figure used for computation of importations, exportations, current account calculations and a host of other national economics stats are in the USD.

3) I suspect those strong import figures are because of companies reporting higher amount of RM used to pay for raw materials, and other imported items because the weakened RM vs the USD. The imported items are mostly quoted in the USD, and to a smaller extent in other currencies too,... mostly, for which we have also weakened against.

I suspect we do not import much from countries whose currencies that we have appreciated against.

A lower trade surplus IN THIS ENVIRONMENT is a big concern,... giving rise to a situation called more bad news against presently available bad news. If we are forward-looking, the RM will weaken further, even before the Aug numbers emerge.
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1) Data sometimes got outlier one, due to seasonal effect or whatever circumstances.

2) We need to compile a number of months data before can make a conclusion, aka to see the trending.

3) As I mentioned before the real weakening RM effect only start after end of July as at July the RM/USD was still at Rm3.7~3.8.
There are details breakdown on countries export/import figure, can find it from there, if interested to look beyond.

Yes, a lower trade surplus is a concern, but at current global environment, export will be weak across. If considered oil price plunging effect, which is almost nearly half the price of last year and plunging CPO price, a maintained export figure is already quite good enough.
Asking for more is a bit "greedy" already.

Actually too low import figure is also a bad number, as if import figure is weak, it suggested weak domestic consumption, which only means domestic economy is weak aka poorer GDP growth.
A strong economy needs both front, export + domestic consumption.

To satisfy every aspect and everyone, we need a goldilock figure (a ++ export with + import). tongue.gif
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post Sep 4 2015, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 4 2015, 05:28 PM)
1) and 2) - Ok... letès see the trend then, wait fro August number.

3) Incorrect,...

On July 31st, 2014, the USDMYR exchange rate was = 3.1850

On July 31st, 2015, the USDMYR exchange rate was =  3.8206

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MYR%3DX...ing":true}

A rise of 20% between the two measurement dates.

There was already a substantial difference in the exchange rate to warrant companies paying out more for one single unit of USD. What we see in the Yahoo Finance charts are the Interbank Rates. Companies reporting RM figures would most probably be subjected to banking spread effects, hence making the differences bigger in a volatile environment.
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The potential boost in export due to weak currency is because of your currency is weaker than regional currency, or your competitor, not solely because depreciated against USD.

Every currency in the world also depreciated against USD, so all same playing field level between 2014 up to middle 2015.

But the weak RM is more pronounced when RM plunged from 3.80 to 4.20, whereby we see how RM vs Sgd crossed 3.00 mark, while depreciate against Bath to near 12 level as well.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 4 2015, 05:48 PM)
Manufacturing activity weakened further in August, 2015 from July, 2015. I donèt see this as very encouraging for the end-August Trade Surplus Number.

It is always raw materials being mentioned as the biggest component for price increase for the manufacturers.

New orders at local goods producers dropped for the SIXTH month IN A ROW.

Anyway, the above report covers all the factories in general, and not limited to only the electronics and electrical sector.
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The only way to have better trade surplus for Aug is a lower import figure, there is remote chance that export can rise further in current worldwide business environment.

The exchange rate of USD/RM 4.25 may deter importer to import more goods for local consumption.

The rising import cost will be hitting more on local manufacturers particularly SME, while large corporate and especially MNC, they are not affected that much as their sales will be in USD so net effect of rising cost due to exchange rate will be nullify by export in USD.

Instead MNC will be the one benefit most from the lower RM, operation and wages cost become cheaper for them. Last time hiring an engineer at RM 6.2K cost them USD2k, now only need USD1.5k.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 4 2015, 06:01 PM)
no change, i.e bnm NOT intervening.
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It is a piece good news for RM out of many.

At least BNM is doing something sensible.

As suspected earlier, the equities outflow has been slowing down.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 4 2015, 06:38 PM)
If the export can be maintained with current factory output, then the import needs to be lowered ! But what Nikkei hinted points to the export being possibly lowered due to lower factory output for August compared to July this yr.

I believed SMEs make up a larger proportion of components contributing to the overall export figure. If SMEs suffer higher costs of raw materials and disadvantages in export procuders due to the currency being used to quote to their customers, then we have a big roblem here too.

On the workers, it depends on what type of workers we are talking about. If they are foreign talents needing to repatriate funds home, then we have a problem too since after they sent the funds home, the conversion will cause their families back home to receive a lower amount compared to previous times, eg Filipino maids sending funds home will find their families getting lower amount of pesos after conversion. Subsequently, they will demand a higher pay to offset the reduced pesos arriving back home.
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On the contrary, SME majority are for local market.
Bulk of export are from MNC and large corporation actually.

You have a low volume or turnover of less than a few millions, it is hard to do export business, at least within my industry, I knew the situation.
Per order, per load, you need near about million worth of goods before the business looks viable for both seller and buyer, volume too small, transportation cost eating your profit.
You don't buy/sell a few cartoon, but a container.

The situation now, more like MNCs and large export corporate are benefiting from the lower RM, but SME who business mainly cater for domestic market is suffering the cost increment.

If RM keep on depreciating, soon or later import also will be plummeting as importers also will feel the pressure of increase in cost, while business out there is not brisk (in fact quite slow), so it is not so easy to pass the cost to consumer without a drop in sales volume.

So there is forseeable coming month that export may drop, while import also drop as well, just the matter which drop more than the other that affecting the trade balance figure.



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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 4 2015, 06:28 PM)
You were comparing the RM vs the USD earlier for the corresponding period, hence my analysis of the exchange rate as in my earlier posting.

I believed the same effect has persisted too, using yr eg : the SGD vs RM BEFORE crossing the support of 3.80 vs the USD.

SGD vs RM on July 31, 2914 : 2.5584

SGD vs RM on July 31, 2915 : 2.7797

By the way, I thought we were discussing abt why the import figure ballooned in end-July 2015 compared to end-July 2014. You are mentioning 'export' now.

It's okay,.. I would agree that if we are exporting exactly the same things as our neighbours, then if our currency depreciated more against the USD compared to our neighbour's currency, then we may have an advantage there in terms of pricing point if our pricing is denominated in the RM, and if our raw materials did not increase in cost. Or in other words, all else remaining the same.

Otherwise, if we have new taxes imposed (eg GST), or our raw materials increased in cost, or we have new labour problems because of the currency depreciation (eg my maids don't have enough funds to repatriate home, hence demanding more pay), then the advantage may be evened out.
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A factory import a goods to manufacture and export further.
The raw material price in term of USD won't matter, as later on it will also being export in USD.
So the manufacturer is actually immune to the RM exchange rate.

While if the imported raw materials goods consist of 50% of its cost (considered high already), the rest cost component like wages, factory expenses are in RM denominated, then the factory actually won't suffer cost increase in materials (as mentioned immune to exchange rate), but benefit from the rest 50% cost related to RM, typically MNCs, that view from overseas.

Export goods are zero rated in GST, everything GST incurred is treated as input tax, which is claimable back. So no increase in cost for exporter.

GST is hitting hard on consumer, not manufacturers or factories, as they are merely tax collector or middleman.
GST is not a cost to manufacturers or factories. Just manufacturers suffer business downturn or poor volume due to poorer consumer sentiment as consumer need to pay more, not manufacturers.
While for export market, GST doesn't affect the cost of manufacturers.


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 4 2015, 09:31 PM)
apparently, rest of the world is unimpressed with rise in fx reserves.

usd/myr 4.28
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=MYR&view=12h
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The US unemployment figure suggests rate hike is on the card back, so USD is having strength again.
USD is up against everyone now.

So a lower rate with USD/RM is not something surprise.

USD/RM drop in tandem with other currency, you don't have much problem.

But if RM drop against all currencies alone or drop more significantly compared to other, then it is a problem.
This is the difference.

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 4 2015, 11:02 PM)
The latest check a while ago, MYR has depreciated against SGD, GBP or even CAD which just announced fell into recession
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Against Sgd is not that worry, the more worry is depreciated against the like Aussie and Kiwi which should be the weakest among the major currencies.

Their fundamental are the weakest among all.
They have trade deficit, current account deficit, low commodities price, slow GDP growth, which are bearish factors for the currency.

So fundamental wise, RM is way better, but Rm still drops against them. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 5 2015, 08:26 AM)
Good morning.

If a factory does not have USD reserves and has been using the RM all this while in their dealings, only purchasing USD when there is a need to purchase from overseas, then that factory will experience higher cost when it needs to purchase raw materials denominated in the USD. An MNC has many overseas operations, eg production facilities everywhere, it would already have USDs in-hand, the negative effect may be less but will not be totally immune to effects from the exchange rate.

As in the report issued by Nikkei shown a few pages back, it keeps talking abt raw materials being the largest cost contributor. If we believed in the report and make effort to interpret the numbers, then it is fair to say that the majority of our manufacturing operations DO NOT have USD reserves in-hand. 

We'll see how many of the factories close down moving fwd, then we'll know the 'combined' effect of what we are experiencing.

If we are going to do down the path as in the above and protect ourselves against the exchange rate, then it would look like all busniesses need to do their transactions in the USD already, and nobody would want to hold the RM anymore. We all know what tis means for the RM.

GST can be claimed back for export goods, aware of that - one of the three types of GST 'rated' categories. But the process of claiming back is time-consuming and hits on the cashflow of these operations, definitely incurring more finance expenses in the long run. I have clients exploring ways now to perform litigation against the Cistoms for delay in refund positions and policies associated with refunds. Some SME owners (who have acceptable tax-paying backgrounds) have even decided to terminate operations because of the GST-enforcement.
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You buy raw materials in USD, and sell and export in USD, whether the exchange rate of USD/RM fall to whatever level has no impact on the cost.
It has nothing to do with USD cash in hand or not, credit facilities, LC, hedging or whatever finance facilities are easily available.

The issue has no impact what we were discussing previously about, MNCs are not greatly affected by the exchange rate, in fact they are beneficiers.

Factories that closing down because of downsizing, business volume died down, profit margin died down or shift to a much cheaper wages countries.

Large corporate doing export, and MNCs have not cashflow problem generally,
GST claiming back is not time consuming. Our company have filed GST every months since the onset of GST, little issues.

The issues mentioned are only pronounced in SMEs, as until now I still see many still not quite understand how the GST works.

Yes, there is a hiccup in the claiming process for some. But I believe it soon will be ironed out.
GST is not a cost to business, the cashflow issue due to claiming process is not a bigger deal for large corporation, but SME may be hit harder.

SME that ceased operation because of razor sharp thin profit margin, and with GST implementation just induce them to close down, not because of GST issue alone, because GST is not a cost to business except for those non-GST registered.

Yes, business is not good out there, in fact our company suffer 30~40% drop in revenue compared to previous year, but this slowdown is worldwide currently, there is not much can be done, to be fair, although can be better.


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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 5 2015, 08:36 AM)
With the international civil movement's recent meeting in Malaysia, we got the maximum worldwide exposure on our plight in politics. Our economic fundamental is no more the sole determinant of our fair currency value. Market will keep on dumping the RM despite good news on our indicators

As any quick resignation and political remedy not in sight, 4.50 will be fast approaching, and breaking of records of above 4.7x is just a matter of time

Inflation will be out of control in the next 3-6 months. BNM might have no choice but to increase OPR as RM issue > risk of economic downturn issue. Politically they have take the risk to be seen as "we tried our best"

Stock market will crash on grey economic outlook. Economy turns south and into recession. Wide spread retrenchment may happen and unemployment rate increases. As people find financial difficulties, it will be followed by property market crash and further aggreviate the economy.

The bad economic outlook of the world at large is already a tough environment for any country to handle for the next 2-3 years, and Malaysia has such additional political issue to worry about. No politician will be interested to put their slight focus on saving the economy if he is in such shaky position. Just imagine if you are in the same position, you will be more concern not to land yourself in jail or thinking about which country to flee to when situation gets out of hand than worry about the rakyat's bank account

The outlook is the gloomiest since 1998. Feels like we are on the tallest roller coaster in the world, moving and reaching the peak and the plunge to the bottom will start anytime.

Everybody, hold on tight !  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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The silverlining is stock becomes cheaper, and may present good opportunity to investors.
We are paying the price of aftermath of QE.

Every few year or decades, surely there will be a gloomiest period, no escape from it, part of economy cycle.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 5 2015, 10:14 AM)
large mfg mnc's may benefit from the lower rm to incr profits, but if they are not expanding, it does little to help incr jobs or raise income for the local employees.

on the other hand, sme's trading with primarily imported intermediate goods in usd will find it difficult to continue. an sme having a simple biz model of cogs:overheads:profit of 60:20:20 finding a 33% rm depreciation will then hv 80:20:0. they will either have to cut staff or close shop. one explanation for potential jobs lost in the coming year.

overall, i can't see any real net benefit for the people despite claims "weak rm good for exports"!
if prolonged, this new cashflow problem will force lower inventories, tight supplies, prices will be forced up - more trouble for many sme's.
at 4.50, a 40% rm depr will be even more devastating on biz and employment - a recession will be imminent.

for older salaried workers and pensioners, their retirement will be dark n gloomy.
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Factories and businesses are very simple, if they see revenue and profit is improving, they expand.
If not, status quo or sizing down to cut cost.

As mentioned before, RM depreciation poses the tough situation towards SME primary, not MNCs or large corporation.

Weak currency is like 2 edged sword, you get more business but on the other hand something need to give.
It is like cutting price to boost sales, you have better top line but at the expense of bottom line.
It is not a free lunch, a weak currency, purchasing power is sacrificed for potential more business in export (your price is cheaper than rival so you undercut them).

The suffering of SME in term of import will eventually mean trade import will be trending down, and with export status quo, we may see better trade surplus, if the currency is prolonged weak. This is the dynamic of how weak currency that result in better trade surplus.
We have experienced it before the aftermath of 1998, how a trade deficit quickly turn to surplus, after a big depreciation of RM during 1998 crisis.

No escape from it, this is a difficult period that we need to go through. Everyone knew business is tough out there currently.
Just recession and booming is cyclical, once is many years or decade, there is almost certainty got economy issue one.

The near future is gloomy, no doubt, but it is not the end of the world.

Too gloomy view, sometimes is not good for decision making, be it for business or investment, as in this kind of period, they may be opportunity as well.
Just like how 2008 financial crisis, everyone said, USD will become worthless, stock will plunge, but see what happening now, those invest and get into right business during that time are making decent gain after many years later.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 5 2015, 10:36 AM)
Unker, my business still face problem employing people. Still have staff resigning for "greener pasture". Some posts are vacant for 1-2 months. It ranges from office people to factory workers. If SME like mine need to cut headcount, which is a real possibility judging from the bleak outlook, then it will be widespread

I can feel the effect to RM depreciation started to set in. 6 of my suppliers have increased price in the last 2-3 weeks. Export sale has not grown since 1st half of the year and I expect it to decline . Feedback from my sales people is very gloomy especially in China.

Most of my business associates (our associations) face the same problem. We are still surviving now, but don't know for how long.
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Sometimes really don't know where people went already.
Keep on reading news graduate cannot get a job, but in actual situation for those running businesses, we tend to see employer always complain hiring is difficult. Almost everywhere see banner of hiring.

For sure, high wages, and goyang kaki job is not available. laugh.gif



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