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post Jun 17 2015, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(TheHitman47 @ Jun 17 2015, 12:32 PM)
im not blaming drag racing unfair..da hell.
im blaming anti-competitive move.

any title built on the framework of Nvidia GameWorks cannot work as they should on AMD hardware. Indeed, AMD cannot properly optimize for any GameWorks based game- they simply don't have access to any of the code, and the developers are forbidden from releasing it to AMD as well.
i wasnt about tessalation. its about "how about giving other car the license to use that "extra torque" u've been bragging about and lets see if u can have clean fight after all"  tongue.gif .

i remember intel get sued for something like that, Any software compiled on intel's compiler will run like POS on all non intel CPUs. They also threatened OEMs with cutting of supply if they didn't stop selling AMD products.
same sort of thing happens with Coke and Pepsi. In sporting events and restaurants and whatnot (Grocery stores excluded), you can sell either Coke products, or Pepsi products, and the management signs a contract forbidding the sale of the other as part of the deal. Definitely anti-competitive, but the practice is not uncommon.
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if that is true how did amd after few weeks come out with a driver that solves it.

dude its tessellation. Gameworks uses it heavily. So expect the same thing with DX12.1 Feature level that amd doesnt support.

its not being anti competitive. If amd had the horsepowah to run it. The gpu design was flawed favouring compute. It would have a day one drivers.

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jun 17 2015, 12:41 PM)
Yes. 1440p, 144hz, IPS. That it just perfect. This or PG279Q.
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wont work with amd. Amd dp interacts with scalers.
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QUOTE(TheHitman47 @ Jun 17 2015, 01:51 PM)
it wasnt about the horsepower, if horsepower is the case here u must agree that 960 is more powerful than 290x.
which also mean 960 has more power than 780, topkek  tongue.gif

its a proprietary graphics technology. having more power is out of the question. what needed is for it to be open source.
thats why it wont be used to full effect by developers, just like physx.
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no. Power is in terms for DX11 is tesselation. 960 no where close to a 780.

But look at this. 970 cannot beat a 780ti interms of Heaven 4.0 yet in real world it performs better in tessalation.
290x...
Nvidia Fault
Scaler Fault
No Money Fault
Consumer Fault
THe world Fault
and hence forth

so fury X. If it has good tessalation in Game performance. Atleast inherit some of tonga traits.. It will do well in Gameworks.

Remember Nvidia Tech is Based on DX Features
Its to push the GPU power instead of insane FPS gain. So if DX12 gives so much FPS. Pretty sure Nvidia is working to use that extra FPS for more realism.

Dude what i know is this. Ppl who sold their 290 n went to 980. Are pretty happy folks. They dont need to scan forums for fixes or memorize amd reason y that game performance sux for them. They just concentrate on gaming n buying games.

Argue as much as you want but thats the current fact. I have nvr seen that many amd rigs in competitive game events. All are scared of bsod or tdr or crash.



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http://g.pconline.com.cn/live/483.html

Thats pretty damn good. Fc4. Wonder whats the setting as txaa 4x @1440p hits over 5gb on ultra.

Nvidia already has frame rate target control for a long time with the introduction of boost states.



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QUOTE(TheHitman47 @ Jun 17 2015, 02:53 PM)
no, i dont know where got that.
tell me other games that has problem with the "tessa" u been talking about other than game that use nvidia proprietary tech?.

totally sick and tired of your "fault" point. that absolutely your pov.
what ive been talking about has been discuss all over the net, and the "fault" point has come over from only u.
even nvidia user are shit and tired of nvidia anti-comp move.

of course i cant  do anything about something i have no right about in the 1st place.
talk to me when they make it open source and let dev share it. is it soo bad to do?. "of course it is...we dont want any competition"  rolleyes.gif
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Hmm u guys should read terry goodkind sword of truth.
Ure talking like what the old world ppl believe.

Hardworking ppl put their efforts into that tech. Nvidia consumers are the one paying for it.

U seem to totally believe everything amd says.

Fc4 looks good. Hope u saw the link.

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jun 17 2015, 03:25 PM)
No idea, that's why i'll wait for trusted reviewers.  Can't you? tongue.gif
290x vs Fury X
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Hbm reduces tracelines of memory controllers n pcb thickness.
So not suprising on the length

Interesting part now is how the gpu die tdp is gonna affect that vram stack. Its got to be smoking.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jun 17 2015, 03:40 PM)
Haha, just skeptical a little because they didn't show the numbers at E3 last night.
Ya mang, that interposer gonna be hot as fak.

Anyway, how do you apply thermal paste? tongue.gif
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Def no clu

But seriously. I am impressed with them choosing hwlabs nemesis rads. The best rads n aint cheap.

Wonder who did the pump etc. normal suspect is asetek but nvr seen them do a colab with hwlabs. Two companies based different end of the world.
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jun 17 2015, 04:00 PM)
Speaking of 144Hz, both nvidia and amd gpus have problem with proper idling when 144hz is being used.
Reducing refresh rate to 120hz will fix the gpu idling issue, but this isnt the solution.
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Err i found it happens on altered vbios. Ref doesnt seem to be affected.

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jun 17 2015, 03:58 PM)
4K is too overhyped, I'd rather go for 144Hz 1440p than 4K.
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Agreed. Having a tough time gaming at 60 nowadays. So used to 100fps. Especially project cars.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 17 2015, 04:04 PM)
Hmmm everything I see is a card that is very much a gamble on DX12's CTM (Close to Metal) philosophy, which I feel is a natural progression of graphics card architecture, much like Mike Houston predicted a few years back when he was still at AMD.

But what is going to be interesting is their ability to pull it off given that DX12 games are still in the pipeline and optimization always takes time. ATI was first to market with built in tessellation with the R5xx series but it didn't do jack shit for performance simply because devs needed another gen to catch up via optimization.

My bet though is because most game devs are quite in tune with optimization for GCN due to AMD's omnipresence in the console market that AMD is betting that any performance gains will come fast and scale quickly, coupled with the increased memory efficiency gained from GCN 1.2. It's a bold gamble, not sure it'll work though.

You guis tell me if you get any review samples! laugh.gif
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Agreed. Heck go before that with dx10. Same story with the pathethic 2900 . Sometimes its frustating but nvidia philosophy of gpu for the now seems to be better gamble.

None dude. Normally can get. This time i even asked few others. Nobody has it. Even hwlabs dude is not saying anything. I think amd trying to control the initial reviews. Titan X & 980ti had so many variance. Alot of ppl chasing website hits trying to be the first.

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jun 17 2015, 04:06 PM)
Are you certain? It happens on my official beta vbios for sapphire 260x (to fix the 2D clock horizontal flickering issue) for my 144hz 1080p monitor.

Even GTX 970 also exhibits the same issue where it can't go to proper idle mode.  hmm.gif
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Thats what happened to me with titan blacks . When i used hydrocopper bios. Higher vgpu n clock for idle state.

Not sure about amd.
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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 17 2015, 04:36 PM)
Yeap. But there's one big thing that nVidia brought to the market first, multiple cards (SLi, crossfire). ATi's knee-jerk reaction was a bit funny, the hideous DVI cable connecting both cards outside biggrin.gif
Ah. I'm so not up-to-date. I was looking at the new cards and thought, "so, where do I connect my DVI port?"
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Knowing sapphire. Ure gonna have a ton of cables n coverters.
Only amd aib company that does that.


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Dfi. Damn . My last one was ut x58. Loved it. But freaking 4870x2 doesnt boot on it. Argueing between oscar n sapphire for a fix ended up getting evga. Think that was the only socket gen that i used 4 boards.

Guessing the digital pwm meletup.??
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Fury prices.
3xx
Markup 25 percent. Distro already has profit of 20%.

Fury is 100% markup.

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post Jun 17 2015, 09:21 PM

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Sapphire markup like

How about asus. Thats gonna be earth shattering.
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Or they got price mixed up with FURYx2
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Jun 18 2015, 12:36 PM)
"Latest news..fury will have price drop to below 3K SRP"
i received this msg this morning.

maybe someone see wrong price or AMD Malaysia want to put so high price (RM4k) at Malaysia.

the price not the final, then i see gtech posted at facebook for the fury price, tat's why alot ppl question about the pricing.
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Wc or aircool version??
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Jun 18 2015, 05:01 PM)
will post at idealtech facebook page if got latest info
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Dude seems ure ahead reviewers.
Post pics etc.
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Jun 18 2015, 05:07 PM)
nola. we are just a dealer. when distri got stock only we buy in and post some photos to sell.
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I know but u n hikari currently have the sapphire cards right.
The 3series refresh.

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2999 is fury price.
Still got two more tiers .. X air n x wc

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