that is their 'strong point' that why they are bragging non stop...

I'm just a 1080p player (Dell p2314H 23" 60Hz ) that do not wish my FPS to drop. Do you think I should just go for 290X lightning or take 8GB vapor X? I guess the former will make better sense at the price point. Plus not really sure my tiny cute 620W PSU (main +12V rail 50A) will be sufficient for 290X lightning or not. It is enough for me to crossfire my HD 7870 previously though, until my ASUS 7870 die off, and I'm still using my leftover Sapphire HD 7870.

my concern with 8GB Vapor X are just at the price point, worse case scenario since i might need to change my PSU, it will make this solution around the price of single GTX 980 from ASUS giga MSI etc. (290X 8GB + CM V1000 PSU = 1660+649=2309; GTX 980 strix = RM 2299; While, 290X lightning + CM V1000 = 1260+649=1909; GTX 980 leadtek=1999 this is the major dilemma i'm encountering )

PS: I'm unable to claim warranty as the sticker containing serial number dropped and don't know where it flied.

This post has been edited by wongkoewei: Jan 24 2015, 06:04 AM

frankly, low TDP hardware works best if
1. youre building mITX system where cooling is a huge concern
2. you actually cared of the savings per year from using less power hardware
3. youre on a mobile device

but were on a desktop, power consumption shouldnt affect us that much (unless youre extremely sensitive to minor changes in electric bills)

IMHO, impossible. im on a GTX780 that was supposedly overkill for 1080p. yet im getting fluctuating frames on games that i should breeze through (no, im not even CPU bottlenecked yet)

the only way for you to confirm a solid 60FPS, is to lower graphical details. dont even think of touching AA settings unless you want to see plummeting frames whenever a graphical intensive scene appears

and dont be too fussed on 290X's power requirements. i OCed my GTX780 quite high even with a 650W and my PSU isnt even struggling to juice it up. you rarely see GPU throttled by lack of power unless you deliberately feed it lack of power

Wow... thanks for your advice!! . May I ask you some more advice regard of my possible choice?

290X 8GB + CM V1000 PSU = 1660+649=2309;
GTX 980 strix = RM 2299; While,
290X lightning + CM V1000 = 1260+649=1909;
GTX 980 leadtek=1999

this is the major dilemma i'm encountering. I really do hope I can get around with my 620W PSU. Then the total cost of getting 290X will be significantly lower and i can get some SSD to play from the money saved or i will just save the money..

This post has been edited by wongkoewei: Jan 24 2015, 06:29 AM

Higher tdp more noisy. No one want their system to be noisy.

Oh,so you are aaying,the higher the TDP,the noisier it gets?That is wrong..

It depends on the fans being used.If the fans are crap,yes,noisy as heck. Take the 290 Vapor-X for example,it's the quietest 290 out there.




This post has been edited by Minecrafter: Jan 24 2015, 09:51 AM

Same tdp is quietest if use quiet fan. If lower tdp, can even be quieter because you can reduce fan speed.

my R9 290 Tri-X @ 50% fan speed is quieter than my 1200rpm 120mm silverstone case fans...

How informative on your way to discredit people which doesn't agree with you.

Still remember my 290 directcuii, the tdp is quite high but man was it a quiet card, you cant hear the gpu running only the noisy case fans.

you dont need a 1000W

even a solid 850W Gold is good to go for dual CFx/SLi setups

the 620W is fine, just use it first. if you started encountering lack of power symptoms then only you upgrade. (ie. PC shutdown while under intense load)

just do a little test before making PSU purchase. plug in new card, run Furmark for 15mins. if it passes that, you should have no issues already.

this is not applicable for all scenarios

most 3rd party GPU coolers like Strixx, Windforce, Twin Frozr are already pretty quiet even under heavy load at 70% fan speed (you dont even need to ramp up speed cause its damn efficient already)

when idling, theyre on 0db mode as well. if you can hear noise from that, its either electrical noise from the parts or your case fans

only when during reference cards is where higher TDP might equate to more noise. but frankly, i dont even find my 780 at 50% noisy. only when i ramp up to 80% is where i consider pretty noisy.

tldr : GPU coolers these days are pretty efficient to the point they can dissipate even 300W of power with no need to spin fans at 6k RPM (cept AMD ref cooler, that thing is just plain bad)

i smell 750W of mine going kaput while playing the crew game even at low 1440p

It's not major dilemma. If you're going to run multimonitor and/or at 4k & higher resolution then 8GB would make sense because running games at max settings will eat a lot of VRAM. Even if you did want to run in this kind setup, you'll need two or more 8GB cards. If you stick to 1080p, then 4GB is more than enough. Your PSU is fine for single card.

It's not that simple. Fan on the cooler is not designed to work based on tdp but it based on temps, specifically the core temp. Higher tdp doesn't necessarily mean it will run at higher temp than lower tdp (read heat vs. temperature). It depends on the cooler system. Fan speed & noise depends on a couple of factors like the cooler (heatsink) efficiency/performance & fan specification.

You misunderstand. The "Chicken and duck talk" is Chinese saying that you are not talking about the same thing & misunderstand what he is trying to say.

BTW, I just want to clarify that only.

Bro..look at the GTX780 and 770 in the fan noise picture,almost as quiet as HD7770 and HD7790

Well,terradrive more or less said the same thing,just different card.

This post has been edited by Minecrafter: Jan 24 2015, 03:08 PM

how much money you got alot that don't mind to spend ? go Gigabyte GTX 980 G1(3year warranties) or save RM800+ go for MSI R9 290X Lightning(3 year warranties) both gpu is POWER to GAME on Ultra 1080P and 620W should be okay to power this gpu...

alot.. list/benchmark on screenshot on my Steam.. lazy to name it..

add on: oh that is on amd gaming evolved setting on auto optimized it turn on AA on 4K.. why i got 30FPS or less average.. when i notice it i turn it off see a +10-15Fps on average.. i use amd evolved it give me rewards point.

This post has been edited by Unseen83: Jan 24 2015, 05:25 PM

my Sapphire R9 290X Vapor got Hight TDP but Fan noise is barely noticeable this if i compare to my old R9 290X Reference(i call it Fan blower), so at end is the Type of Cooler on Gpu determine the noise level... and how it cool down Gpu/VRM1/2

x
Regarding TDP" is on desktop not mobile and very sure count the LOAD power not the Idle... GTX 980/970 all hit 300Watt+ on load..

x
DirectX 12 support AMD / Nvidia both claim to support it ! but DirectX12 not yet out ~! stop been stupid.. only close Api that is like DX12 is Mantle.. AMD Gpu/APU(R7/R9) seem to support that.. at moment

This post has been edited by Unseen83: Jan 24 2015, 05:21 PM

Thanks for your precious advice, will try use my 620W PSU first and see if i ever go for 290X lightning.

[quote=kizwan,Jan 24 2015, 02:59 PM]
It's not major dilemma. If you're going to run multimonitor and/or at 4k & higher resolution then 8GB would make sense because running games at max settings will eat a lot of VRAM. Even if you did want to run in this kind setup, you'll need two or more 8GB cards. If you stick to 1080p, then 4GB is more than enough. Your PSU is fine for single card.
It's not that simple. Fan on the cooler is not designed to work based on tdp but it based on temps, specifically the core temp. Higher tdp doesn't necessarily mean it will run at higher temp than lower tdp (read heat vs. temperature). It depends on the cooler system. Fan speed & noise depends on a couple of factors like the cooler (heatsink) efficiency/performance & fan specification.
my R9 290 Tri-X @ 50% fan speed is quieter than my 1200rpm 120mm silverstone case fans...

[/quote]
Chicken and duck talk

[/quote]
How informative on your way to discredit people which doesn't agree with you.

[/quote]
You misunderstand. The "Chicken and duck talk" is Chinese saying that you are not talking about the same thing & misunderstand what he is trying to say.

BTW, I just want to clarify that only.
[/quote]

Thanks a lot, will try my 620W first, if I ever go for 290X. Now just need to decide which card should I buy now...

This post has been edited by wongkoewei: Jan 24 2015, 06:15 PM

[quote=kizwan,Jan 24 2015, 02:59 PM]
It's not major dilemma. If you're going to run multimonitor and/or at 4k & higher resolution then 8GB would make sense because running games at max settings will eat a lot of VRAM. Even if you did want to run in this kind setup, you'll need two or more 8GB cards. If you stick to 1080p, then 4GB is more than enough. Your PSU is fine for single card.
It's not that simple. Fan on the cooler is not designed to work based on tdp but it based on temps, specifically the core temp. Higher tdp doesn't necessarily mean it will run at higher temp than lower tdp (read heat vs. temperature). It depends on the cooler system. Fan speed & noise depends on a couple of factors like the cooler (heatsink) efficiency/performance & fan specification.
my R9 290 Tri-X @ 50% fan speed is quieter than my 1200rpm 120mm silverstone case fans...

[/quote]
Chicken and duck talk

[/quote]
How informative on your way to discredit people which doesn't agree with you.

[/quote]
You misunderstand. The "Chicken and duck talk" is Chinese saying that you are not talking about the same thing & misunderstand what he is trying to say.

BTW, I just want to clarify that only.

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Thanks a lot, will try my 620W first, if I ever go for 290X. Now just need to decide which card should I buy now...