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post Jan 23 2015, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 07:27 PM)
290x will support DX12 just maybe not fully support it.
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Not fully means not supported. Who wanna buy a card now that does not support dx12 ?
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post Jan 23 2015, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 07:30 PM)
Not fully means not supported. Who wanna buy a card now that does not support dx12 ?
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Actually i lied, according to AMD all GCN card will support DX12.
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AMD officials also said nothing had changed. “All GCN-based graphics cards from AMD are going to support DirectX12,” an official told PCWorld.

and according to Microsoft most modern GPU will support DX12.
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“While we are not yet ready to detail everything related to DirectX12, we can share that we are working closely with all of our hardware partners to help ensure that most modern PC gaming hardware will work well with DirectX12, including; nVidia’s Maxwell, Kepler and Fermi-based GPUs, Intel’s 4th generation (and newer) Core processors and AMD’s Graphics Core Next (GCN) based GPUs. We’ll have more to share about DirectX12 at GDC in March.”

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You won’t actually need a new graphics card to run Microsoft’s new DirectX 12 API, which will be baked into Windows 10 later this year. Microsoft has formally confirmed that modern GPUs will indeed work with DX12 afterall.

Sauce: Don't panic! DirectX12 won't require a new graphics card after all


By your logic, people should have not bought Nvidia Keplers because it didn't fully support DX11.1. Where is your source btw?
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post Jan 23 2015, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 07:27 PM)
290x will support DX12 just maybe not fully support it.
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my amateur thinking is the Direct X thing are software, Hardware are not gonna do much with DirectX support, just the chip maker hence AMD or Nvidia decide which card shell be supported.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 07:30 PM)
Not fully means not supported. Who wanna buy a card now that does not support dx12 ?
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my amateur thinking is the Direct X thing are software, Hardware are not gonna do much with DirectX support, just the chip maker hence AMD or Nvidia decide which card shell be supported.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 07:42 PM)
Actually i lied, according to AMD all GCN card will support DX12.

and according to Microsoft most modern GPU will support DX12.
Sauce: Don't panic! DirectX12 won't require a new graphics card after all
By your logic, people should have not bought Nvidia Keplers because it didn't fully support DX11.1.  Where is your source btw?
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 07:43 PM)
my amateur thinking is the Direct X thing are software, Hardware are not gonna do much with DirectX support, just the chip maker hence AMD or Nvidia decide which card shell be supported.
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rubbish

Anyway make sure lightning is 1080mhz core. Some sell 1030mhz core lightning.

I'm still waiting for chocoboz to contact me.
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post Jan 23 2015, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 07:42 PM)
Actually i lied, according to AMD all GCN card will support DX12.

and according to Microsoft most modern GPU will support DX12.
Sauce: Don't panic! DirectX12 won't require a new graphics card after all
By your logic, people should have not bought Nvidia Keplers because it didn't fully support DX11.1.  Where is your source btw?
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We’ve also been informed that DirectX 12 will require a new graphics card in order to take advantage of everything it’s got to offer, though some existing cards will be able to get some benefit from it. “To get the full benefits of DX12, the answer is yes,” Mike Ybarra, Partner Director of Program Management, Xbox Platform told us. “There will be DX 11.1 cards that take advantage of a lot of the driver and software tech that we’re bringing in Windows 10, but if you want the full benefits of DX12, you’re going to need a DX12 card
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 07:54 PM)
We’ve also been informed that DirectX 12 will require a new graphics card in order to take advantage of everything it’s got to offer, though some existing cards will be able to get some benefit from it. “To get the full benefits of DX12, the answer is yes,” Mike Ybarra, Partner Director of Program Management, Xbox Platform told us. “There will be DX 11.1 cards that take advantage of a lot of the driver and software tech that we’re bringing in Windows 10, but if you want the full benefits of DX12, you’re going to need a DX12 card
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Totally expected since Microsoft haven't finalize DX12. There's no card in the market right now that is "fully" support DX12.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 08:01 PM)
Totally expected since Microsoft haven't finalize DX12. There's no card in the market right now that is "fully" support DX12.
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Sucks for 290x owner
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post Jan 23 2015, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 08:01 PM)
Totally expected since Microsoft haven't finalize DX12. There's no card in the market right now that is "fully" support DX12.
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My guess is there will take years for market to fully adopt DX 12 since most of games nowadays still using DX 11 or even DX 9 nowadays. The market may slowly adopt this new API or just being ignored like DX 10
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 08:02 PM)
Sucks for 290x owner
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Why 290X be suck since there are no single DirectX 12 optimized game yet in the market? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Jan 23 2015, 08:30 PM

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Well, another 380X news anyone? brows.gif

http://wccftech.com/amds-fiji-xt-gpu-monol...italian-report/
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post Jan 23 2015, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 23 2015, 08:30 PM)
too many rumors lol.

Unseen83. What is your plan bro? laugh.gif
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post Jan 23 2015, 08:58 PM

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Not sure if anyone had posted this,but..after march.. hmm.gif

Also,some news. hmm.gif
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the R9 380, will feature 4,096 GCN 1.2 cores, double that of its predecessor, and 4 GB of stacked HBM (high-bandwidth memory). Its mid-range chip, codenamed "Trinidad" will succeed "Curacao," and offer performance competitive to the $200-ish price-point


Source: http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/209135/a...-march-ceo.html
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 15 2015, 10:36 AM)
300w is nothing. The most important thing is they are able to cool it down.

I Oced my 290 and it can pull over 300w also no problem running all day also.
Even OCed GTX 980 can pull alot of watts too. In gaming GTX 980 uses less power, but in CUDA apps even stock third party cards can be near 300w too

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In gaming the GTX 980 only uses around 180w.

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In CUDA or OPENCL, the power consumption of the third party card is 280w! Reference GTX 980 has lower wattage limit and it ran at 180 watt. Still both higher than the 165w TDP claimed by Nvidia.

Source http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia...ll,3941-12.html

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This is reference GTX 980 which has lower wattage limit. Under Nvidia's own 25% OC pushing the core to 1377Mhz, mem to 1466Mhz, max boost to 1515Mhz under the same voltage. The GTX 980 uses slightly more power than reference R9 290X. Now 25% more for 165w of the GTX 980 should be 206w, but why does a 206w card now uses more power than R9 290X which is claimed to be 250w - 300w TDP card? The card here is for the reference card, third party GTX 980 will be chugging power just like r9 290 series once you try to overclock them.
Nvidia's TDP figures is questionable while AMD's TDP figures is exaggerated.
Source http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-...x-980-review/22

For those people who think they can run GTX 980 and GTX 970 with small PSU, they better be careful lol, especially if they get curious and try to overclock the card. They will face problems too if they try to run CUDA apps with small PSU.

The bottom line is, 300w is nothing.
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@@ and nvidia still lansi about their 'low power' gpu
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 08:02 PM)
Sucks for 290x owner
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Why do you think I'll wait for 490X. One reason only. Battlefield 5. No games this year other than Overwatch has seriously tempted me. So DX12 no full support is not a deal breaker for me. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 08:02 PM)
Sucks for 290x owner
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excuses me... did i come to your house and take something out your mouth that you enjoy "suck" ? if i did that please forgive ME! by the way what GPU your using.. that is FULLY support DX12 (which my opinion only reason is Rumor to be out because AMD Create Mantle...) and HOW GPU company claim Fully support something not yet proven and DX12 not yet out... Meanwhile Mantle is out on a lot modern and AWARD WINNING GAME of the YEAR 2014 e.g. Dragon AGE INQuisiTION

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and if not mistaken DX12 is like Mantle x and what GPU in current Market show work best on ? oh AMD Gpu R7 /R9 /AMD APU

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 08:39 PM)
too many rumors lol.

Unseen83. What is your plan bro? laugh.gif
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eh... me and momo will have more happy time... till june 2015... x blush.gif
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by way check out, AMD left TSMC >? ?? eh r9 390X is on 14NM ? lolx

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-...m-finfet-chips/
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 07:02 PM)
I see... thanks for ur advice. I do think when 4GB VRAM ever become not sufficient, the GPU itself might become obsolete already. Time for upgrade if that happen then lol~
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if you got 4K lcd go for 8GB VRAM biggrin.gif if Vram so important to you wait for R9 380X... HBM haha but on my 4K lcd with 2x R9 290X vapor/Trix.. all game play 30Fps + some game even got 55FPS when AA is off... but i got no exp with 8GBVRAM... but if i hav money yeah i get 8GB vram gpu lolX
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 24 2015, 01:54 AM)
if you got 4K lcd go for 8GB VRAM biggrin.gif  if Vram so important to you wait for R9 380X... HBM  haha  but  on my 4K lcd with 2x R9 290X vapor/Trix..  all game play 30Fps +  some game even got 55FPS  when AA is off...  but i got no exp with 8GBVRAM... but if i hav money yeah i get 8GB vram gpu lolX
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30 FPS? What games are you playing?
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post Jan 24 2015, 05:42 AM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 23 2015, 08:30 PM)
June 2015~~ NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will have to pay GST for that!!! btw, is this wccftech site reliable? saw a bunch of leaks from this site.

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