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 V18 Property Bubble What Ahead for 2015 ?, LYN No.1 UUU vs RRR in to 2015

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post Jan 7 2015, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 7 2015, 12:15 AM)
registrar caveat no need to consider other ppl interest one... private yes, there are ranking in caveats as well...

retention of 2 or 3% may be sufficient or may not... the duty is on the tax payer to either top up and etc...

most probably will kena penalty registrar caveat unless owe gov sum and ignore their claims
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I thought caveat works in this way?

1. U hav a property to b pledged to bank A for loan
2. Property worth rm1mil but asking loan for rm700k.
3. Bank A insert caviet and check if there r other parties who have cavieted the same property.
4. If ans is no, bank is the first party to claim the cavieted property. Other lawyers fees n valuation fees will b borne by you. Bank will lend out max 60~70% MV of the property, say Rm700k in this case.
5. A year later, u need duit again then u pledge the same property for Rm 500k loan from bank B.
6. After inspection Bank B found out that Bank A, the first caviet claim party has an interest of Rm 700K on this property.
7. Bank B will only lend out max Rm 300k to you.
8. Meanwhile, u can't pledge/sell the property for whatever reason unless u can pay off ur outstanding with bank A n B.
9. After two years u became a defaulter, the court will sell off the property and pay to Bank A fully and remaining to Bank B.

The same property may have a few cavieted interest on it. Bank will reject if it is master title but not individual title because it is impossible to lelong the whole project due to a defaulted loan of a unit.

So if a housing loan borrower, the lending bank is the first party on the caveated property.

Correct? Pls advise tq.
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post Jan 7 2015, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 7 2015, 10:33 AM)
from the artice someone said

In Sabah, cabotage, high land prices, high construction costs lead to property inflation. RM391K property the median price?? Really?? SO CHEAP! In KK, most new property are in the RM1Mil bracket. RM500K for houses about 1 hour away. RM391K will probably buy you a small apartment somewhere far away. - See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...h.PgehW3b8.dpuf
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So how do you guys cope with it?
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post Jan 7 2015, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 7 2015, 12:28 PM)
not buy in sarawak but 35km from capital city liao. just bought in sept
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35km then how much? Can share some details for knowledge?
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post Jan 7 2015, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 7 2015, 12:35 PM)
1hr from capital city if not got jam
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I mean if the capital property is RM 1 mil or close, then 35 km away what would be the price of it? Then what kind of property is that? Landed? Condo?
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post Jan 7 2015, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(edyek @ Jan 7 2015, 03:14 PM)
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Boss, ini bukan Charge kah? Caveat and Charge different thing oh.
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Boss Landlord, then I think I am confused between caveat and charge. Can advise a bit?
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post Jan 9 2015, 09:14 PM

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already V18 thread and page 23 and still about X+200k..... will this be the evergreen thread in /k?
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post Jan 10 2015, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 9 2015, 04:13 PM)
why OPR accroding to economist need to go down? good economy?
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Due to weaker RM as a result of slumping global oil price which affect country's balance sheet heavily. If OPR is going down, more BBB to come.


QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 9 2015, 04:21 PM)
doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

primary, secondary, all same market lah !!

You mean now primary market go up 20%, secondary market will go down 20% ?  tongue.gif

You just refuse to accept facts  notworthy.gif
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If not, how this thread survived til V18?


QUOTE(yaphong @ Jan 9 2015, 04:26 PM)
Actually can someone tell me what does it by BBB, DDD, or UUU for the matter?  rclxub.gif
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BBB- Buy Buy buy - people who have property buying tendencies and have good confidence in its future value.
DDD - Down Down Down - The falling property market or the burst of the bubble. People with DDD mindset pray for that to come day in day out without thinking about it rationally.
UUU - Up up up - Referring flippers who are pushing the price of property to go up.
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post Jan 10 2015, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 9 2015, 05:14 PM)
Haha 1 of your 6 mistakes of mixing up investment vs own stay.

Your purpose is to buy a house for your family lah. Why talk about rental ?
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jan 9 2015, 05:21 PM)
Secretly tell u. I am international repoman. I repo overseas properties. But I no need to cheat mileage claims like u. tongue.gif
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brows.gif can see lengluis all over the world too.
QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 9 2015, 05:23 PM)
You missed the boat in Malaysia market now trying to shift people's attention to overseas market  doh.gif

And talk about ice cream, burger, restaurant  tongue.gif
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BBW, this has no direct relationship but can give you some thoughts on how foreigners think about property market in Malaysia.

In my earlier working environment, I get chances to meet different rich investors from emerging countries like Cambodia, Indonesia and China.

Foreigners are not interested to buy our properties. They are more than happy to buy properties in places like Singapore or HK because the land size is limited and confirmed demand is always there. Malaysia has more than enough land.

For those who are buying mainly treating malaysia for retirement or buying for their children during their study in Msia only.
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post Jan 10 2015, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 9 2015, 10:01 PM)
JOlokia the surge is due to banks mass lending with low interest to public, now you see every youngster are out there looks capable but are using debt.. lol

youngster so good as they looks already sapu subsales for stay... developers launch like no tomorrow or even no need to give rebates di..
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QUOTE(tnang @ Jan 9 2015, 10:23 PM)
Bearbear setia alam launch 2.5 dsl, ppl start queue, go to queue lah.
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Prescint 11? 3 storeys terrace from RM 700K and above. Launching tmr.


QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 9 2015, 11:11 PM)
bearbear,

That is the effect of QE !!!!

After USA implement QE in 2008, look what happened to world and malaysia ?

Now Euro is implementing QE in 2015. What can you expect ? You got to learn from history

Don't miss it this time ya....DDD missed it in 2008. This time round, no more excuse for them
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When a country implemented QE, with lower interest rate, capital will be shifting out from the country to look for better return in investment in elsewhere. Those capital, or more commonly known as hot money will flush in emerging economies like Malaysia, mainly goes into the share market. Those people who managed to gain from the soar share price, they will buy brick in Malaysia or other way of investment. Buy brick is the safest investment due to its promising return in the long run. Having say that, with QE from an influential country, stability of economy of emerging markets will suffer.

In addition, with the weaker RM but soar share market (with QE effect), you think what is going to happen next?




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post Jan 10 2015, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 10 2015, 07:30 PM)
Last week I was looking for another unit of my recent bought area, no advertisement at all .. so I look for rental ad & callled a unit which look quite nice, if photo are to believed not much reno needed,  I ask agent whether owner willing to sell or not, he said owner only wanna rent out, so I offer the agent 5% above previous asking price, agent says check with owner, call me back few hours later says owner don't wanna sell at all, literally I think owner ask me go tfk at road side..kekeke don't blame them super good rental return, I cam still get positive rental return even paying 5% above market price, imagine owner who bought with half the price.

Actually the price & location of the above mentioned property is quite good, the appreciation also quite fast, within 4 months price can go up 10%.

Ah Bear asking for 20% below market price I can only wish him good luck.. tongue.gif. Maybe those ulu place with ridiculous asking price or potential landslide, Afro village or some badly defected unit he might get it... laugh.gif
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Taikor, just asking. If you have enough holding power during the raining days, no need to worry for anything right? No matter your ultimate goal is to collect rental as passive income or to flip it over when the time has come right?
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post Jan 10 2015, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 10 2015, 08:12 PM)
Let's see his tone later  tongue.gif
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what happened? He went to close his house deal ar? drool.gif
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post Jan 10 2015, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(musteng @ Jan 10 2015, 07:53 PM)
Yes. Precint 11. To be excact is789k above
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BUtthead. cry.gif


QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 10 2015, 08:14 PM)
Super Inflation ! x+500k !  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 10 2015, 08:27 PM)
Got some words OK, no red card wink.gif

I out offer Ah Bear X+250K can ah tongue.gif
Oil is already hopeless for next few months or until the Arabs vs the American price war finish, palm oil also hopeless, now property is the only hope to generating income to compensate loss in oil revenue, so fat chance they will let property crash or introduced policy to bulldozer property market.

Ah Bear you can start sourcing for a foldable bench, as it going to a long long wait..zzzz

Actually I think Ah Bear know his chances is slimming, especially his & GF company also not doing well now, imagine next year could be worsening,.

Ah Bear buy lah ! You can never bought at lowest lah ! Before bank close it door on you as you may kena pay cut if your company continue not doing good, later price up but his income down then cry no tears cry.gif
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Palm oil is catching up due to shortage in global supply. Not sure if this could sustain. Anyway the price is already quite low.

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post Jan 10 2015, 08:52 PM

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Actually I have a question to ask you sifus.

In view of the crazy new launches, mainly are in the type of condo and mid to high end landed in KV, the market will be flushed by these kind of properties in 2016-2017.

Everyone is putting their hope on LRT, MRT projects to boost the development of the area without taking in prospect of actual organic growth factors of the area. Forget about the alongside M2020 because no shit still.

Imagine suddenly there are few thousands (conservatively) new condo made available in the market in KV, your investment in KV area are becoming more competitive and be reminded you need to count in those relatively new condo which was completed in 2013-2015, your competitors now.

What is your view on the still booming prop market where price is getting higher but transaction volume is getting lower, foresee the trend will be the same in the next few year?

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post Jan 10 2015, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(tnang @ Jan 10 2015, 09:27 PM)
Whack whack at setia city mall now, queue more than 3 days.
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new launch. RM 798K 3 storeys.
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post Jan 10 2015, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 10 2015, 10:22 PM)
Ah Bear lu forget Middle Eastern who is flocking KV like nobody business ah ? Imagine even your Sg Chua has so many middle eastern, infact it could be few hundreds thousands of them, look at the  amount of middle east restaurant & grocery shops, nowadays youngsters also move out of Kampong the moment they graduates, only those really pokai type stays in Kampong, even once big town like Ipoh, Taiping also turn into old folks town, so many SRJK© in small town turned micro school with less than 50 students, while KV school  are packed lIke sardines can, what this tell you ? No more young generation lived in small town, especially Chinese.

So urban migration, flocking of foreigners, temporary shelters for war zone country like Syria, Yemen, Iran, Lebanon, you think house would be oversupply or not ?

Problem is more on affordability, can one afford to challenge the rich middle eastern on rental, if they married local girls which they have 4 quotas,..LOL. they can buy using local wife or wives name to avoid 1~2 millions quota for foreigners, they bring in USD which is in the riae against ringgit, you think you can beat them or not ? ..

Give in lah !  Ah Bear .. you are running out of time & money lah ! Every 2~3 months 50K extra, you earn that much to burn or not ? whistling.gif
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Then our neighbourhood will become a UN. rclxms.gif

High class foreigners = what TS has mentioned

Add on,

Lower class foreigners = bangla, indonesian, Indochina, China
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post Jan 10 2015, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(kradun @ Jan 10 2015, 10:46 PM)
Anything wrong with those 300k property? I got know 1 fella with multi million net worth still stay in condo last time bought at around 120k, with today market price of 280k..  brows.gif
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feng shui house why want to change? rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 10 2015, 11:03 PM)
From bearbear's behavior, we can clearly see it is not that the property nowadays that are over priced. It is the attitude of Bearbear who expect to drive a BMW at Honda price.

There are always proton, Honda, BMW which serve the same purpose. But some youngster just can't accept the high end house they want is a BMW. They refuse to drive Honda. They want the government to bulldoze the BMW to sell at honda price. Not knowing that many people still happily driving proton. Some even riding a motorbike and also live happily
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Afford what you can. No need to wear oversize hat

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post Jan 11 2015, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 11 2015, 12:00 PM)
Ah Bear already rise white flag, he can't afford, initially he thought company will give him 1.1K pay rise like last year, but obviously this year his boss not doing well (remember ah bear always curse property market, his boss has lots on hand, so curse go to his boss & collateral damaging him in return.. Ais Krim Boy call this karma).

Worst still GF law firm also not doing well, now Ah Bear best hope is GST cause stagnation to property price, so that he can collect enough money by year end to buy, having says that I believe he is dreaming if everything expected to go up how can house price stayed stagnant ?

Even if property price do stagnant or go down after GST, his boss will may cut his pay to safeguard those many properties own..LOL

See Ah Bear is a catch 22 Situation, Property price up your income up but at slower momentum, Property price stagnant your income drop, property price crash you lost your job... you can only buy what you afford today, stop dreaming there is such scenario where property price down but your income up.. whistling.gif
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Banks also not doing well.. cry.gif
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post Jan 11 2015, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 11 2015, 12:53 PM)
lol no one can stop it, if it comes which is very likely, no need to dream, data do not lie, prop wall transacted prices are indeed truth it seems recorded lower transaction

nothing to say lor, NAPIC report out for di

a) correction sudah happening (most BBB)
b) developers already given discounts (Tnang developers reputation)
c) "dun simply buy for buying syndrome"
d) friendly policies ( showtime)
e) 50-60 drop all over Malaysia and 50% in KV alone ( agents sure had hard time)
f) prices above 500k already offshoot rental bench mark 600k, 700k
g) oil prices down, zuiko sure got memo for salary cuts
h) 5 states flood and 3 planes missing, sabah invasion and kidnap CHina tourist ( all these factors)
i) export drop ( showtime)
j) IMDB unrepaid loan ( showtime)
k) debt level of Msia 86.8% as of 2013 ( showtime)

subsales:
check the scheduled of transaction in klang valley, transaction has dropped total of 50% compared to 2012, whole the whole Malaysia segments has dropped from 212,000 to merely 97,000 like 60% drop from 2012.. severe or not?

new launches:

drop from 20,000 in KV to 2,000 only drop of 10 folds, from 2012 to 2014, this means 2012 will have a lot of units coming in by 2015... no wonder new launches all dead.. these kind transaction  doh.gif
and overall Malaysia transction dropped from 65k to 25k units a drop of 60-70%
this is the hit

with those numbers agents, banks, law firms no wonder suffer major slow down
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Banks having bad business not because of property market la. it was 1MDB impaired loan!!!! Banks suffered coz of the dickhead golanment. I hope I could find a good deal soon rclxms.gif

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post Jan 11 2015, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 11 2015, 02:35 PM)
typo liao.. only cracking hair liao, not leaking. otherwise props there will be destroyed. yes, I am still young liao even uncle also need to watch sexy girl to stay forever young liao. I don't like sex prostitute girls, I like young naive college girls
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Jolokia, pre-cast method is bad then what is the correct method for a better quality house?

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