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Haruji Sora
post Sep 26 2006, 01:14 PM

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Would anyone in Msia actually download the anime raws that I'm getting?

LOL.
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post Sep 28 2006, 05:43 PM

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There's nothing much can be done. Encryption is pretty much useless against NetEnforcer, or Deep State Inspection.

Please someone ingenious think of a protocol or a method to bypass this stupid problem.
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post Sep 28 2006, 06:11 PM

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Well maybe. But still there is still a patern with torrents.

There are a few ways of implementing throttling for torrents.

1 - Plug off the ports for torrent, even though we can dynamically change the ports, but most of the ACK and comm with the trackers are done through the torrent default ports, which it 6800 something+? Not really sure, but that will cripple torrent totally. But SINCE we're getting speed from our own IPs, this is not the metod implemented.

2 - Some sort of inspection packet, I suspect this is the one being implemented. Analysis are done on the packets, and if found suspicious in behaviour, it will totally be dropped and not transmited.

And a few more I cant remember.


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Well a new protocol encrytion would be great, it has the "possibility" of bypassing the throttling algorithm, but there IS one major problem with it.

Not all users will embrace it. Even now, I still see ALOT, and I mean ALOT of Malaysian IPs that didnt even enable the most basic encryption at all.
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post Sep 28 2006, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(f**kstreamyx @ Sep 28 2006, 07:33 PM)
Agree that all BT users should force PE at the very minimum. I don't know what the processing power of the traffic shapers TMNet is using are like, but the more encrypted torrents it has to deal with the better.

Packet inspection on an enterprise level certainly needs some CPU horsepower. If the hardware is overloaded and can't analyze the traffic sufficiently fast, it might allow some BT packets through the gateway instead of dropping them.

Unencrypted torrents are easy targets for the shapers
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LOL I like this idea.

Let's all run the highest level encryption and give the hardware a huge load until it crash itself biggrin.gif

Does it work that way anyways?
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post Sep 28 2006, 08:12 PM

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I thought of that as well. I tried putting my max global connection to 30, and still i'm getting terrible speed. O_o

Maybe I'm not connecting to enough peers?
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post Sep 29 2006, 11:28 PM

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I tried that as well, but the speed are just horrible because you are connected to too few peers.

Yes the international speed from peers come in when they are not much established connection, but it will got shutted down after 10 or 20 minutes, the last time I did that, a JPN peer shoots up to 50+kb/s to me, but only lasted me 20 minutes, not enough for me to finish my task.

Then I try to reconnect, cannot get back the IP agian, either he went offline, or TM blocked his IP O_o
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post Oct 5 2006, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(Mini Nici @ Oct 5 2006, 06:28 PM)
Dear all, I receive a call from TMNET contractor today. I quickly redirect all the p2p throttling to him. According to him, there is one server connecting to foreign country burnt down at Cyberjaya and it needs sometimes to be restored. Meanwhile most of of the users will be directed to a backup server. He doesnt confirm that the backup server might have throttled the speed but then it might have chance. Quite a blurr explanation and lets hope this is the real scenario and according to him the server shall be restored by this week!
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That excuse, in regard to Cyberjaya having difficulties/under maintainance, I have heard about it since last 3 weeks.

Still FIXING?

Or they burnt more servers trying to implement throttling devices?

Resulting in complete network failure? LOL, time will only tell >_<




EDIT - Oh crap i'm off topic. Anyways about those who use proxies, I did try it out also.

But after using proxy my tracker will time out (ie blocked by the proxy). Normal?

Bcoz of that i got good speed for a a few minutes or a few hours, then all the trackers time out and the speed dropped drastically >_<

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post Oct 5 2006, 07:24 PM

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The proxy only works for a limited time to me, it varies but after using it for prolonged period it starts blocking the trackers off (then the blue icon turn red)

After that a while, the speed will drop drasticaly (esp. if one of the files have finished)

I guess the proxy will block connections when you are establishing too many connection to them O_o

Torrent will establish at least 100+ connectons >_<
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post Oct 5 2006, 09:10 PM

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Running a proxy now.

Tried a few, some bad, some good.

Finally got one which is stable (but not that stable also >_<)

Download speed like roller coaster, go up, down up down LOL

But I can hit max speed with alot of international peers. That is GOOD.

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post Oct 5 2006, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(duke_hunt @ Oct 5 2006, 09:16 PM)
previously what i did was changing my dns and all website loaded darn fast, including mininova.org..
downloading attachment way better than before....
since u use proxy, you just set it in utorrent, does that include port forwarding in the router as well?
wish to try this one first, roller coaster is better that snailling...
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Nop didnt touch my port forward setting as I didnt change the port for my uTorrent.

As mentioned earlier, the list of proxy that can be tried to use is from

http://www.xroxy.com/proxylist.php?port=&t...y=&reliability=
(Someone posted this up a page or a few pages back)

Yeah roller coaster is better than snailing. Now I am at 40, climbing, climbing, MAX... 10 minutes later plummel to 40 again LOL.

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post Oct 5 2006, 10:05 PM

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Just ignore him.

Pointless arguements by pointless ppl is completly pointless (now I am not making much sense >_<)

Just stick to the topic and totally ignore his completely stupid posts (heck you dont even "know" how to phrase your sentence properly >_<)

So back to topic, proxy has been working great for me, though I find myself changing proxy every few hours because it starts to get real slow after a few hours of usage. Well seeing those proxies were not meant for torrenting anyways, I guess after prolonged period of bombarding them with connections the proxy kinda shuts the speed off from you >_<

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post Oct 5 2006, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(tvcat @ Oct 5 2006, 10:14 PM)
sorry i get the full speed, so i still have to pay ??
huh? pointless ? only few ppl getting slow speed and u guy just jump into conclusion that tmnut is haping the line?? funny yeah ?? wat i need is just solid proof....
please la, dun always spread the rumor if u r not sure about it....
do i say tmnut are not shaping the line??? OMG!!!
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Get it out of your thick head that it is "only a few people".

The freaking list is already in the hundred number now, 100+ ppl can stample you to death until you turn to ashes. Does that sound "a few"?

And yes I dont have solid proof that TM is shaping, and I never say they were definetly shaping, in fact the topic i created for the list of ppl "suspected" getting throttled. In fact I want the proof that TM is shaping, but they are denying and beating around the bush all over whenever I ask that question, either it is through hotline or emails.

Suspected, get it... i never say TM is throttling 100%, but it is just too similar to throttling, hence most of my topic I state suspected throttling or throttling-like behaviour.

Proof wise, we're getting terrible speed while running torrents (over 100+ of us do, from various parts of the nation), some of us got around that problem by employing SSH, and in my case, i used a free proxy and it boosted my international peer speed.

This is my last reply to you, seriously do not argue with us with your "few" liner post, you may have your views, but you're choosing the wrong ground to base and direct your views to. Heck I dont even know what I am trying to say now, just as I dont even know what you're trying to tell ppl from your post. With all that OMG and all O_o

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post Oct 6 2006, 12:09 AM

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Proxy dont last long, so keep changing biggrin.gif

Wonder if there is a payable version of proxy that supports torrentting or not.

Anyone knows? So far proxy works wonders on my connection, some files that were stuck at zero for weeks had finally seen some light and get some speed.

EDIT - Errrm, wow so many posted in a matter of minutes, anyways my post is for diego_maradona about proxy cant last long (or something like that)

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post Oct 6 2006, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(Neslo[#^PenG^#] @ Oct 6 2006, 12:15 AM)
so up to now, the only FREE option to overcome this throttling thing is by emule obfuscation control ?

any new discovery on how increase download speed without needing to pay extra money for it? blush.gif
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As mentioned, free proxy servers. It is a roller coaster ride but at least those tasks with ZERO local peers and was stuck at zero can finally get some speed up biggrin.gif
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post Oct 6 2006, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(blackamikaze @ Oct 6 2006, 12:19 AM)
i hope people that using vpn,tunnel,proxy, after u done downloading ur thing. Please off ur tunnel n use back malaysia ip n seeding for a our fellow malaysian that have same problem like us.
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Yeah I noticed that problem as well, once I am on Proxy Mode, I SELDOM, very seldom see a Msian IP on my peer list >_<

Even when I was dl the latest Bleach (yeah lotsa Msian is downloading that), i get all my connection from US and Greece and those overseas places, and no Msian in sight >_<.

Yeah I'll off proxy mode later when i finish most of my files that got pure overseas peers. I need to sleep also, cant afford to keep on changing proxies every 3 hours while i sleep biggrin.gif That is the time when I start seeding.

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post Oct 6 2006, 12:31 AM

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Same here as well, once in a while a single JPN peer or something will go thourgh and gave me tonnes of speed. (usually 50+kb/s)

But those situauton happen rarely, and often lasted me around 20 minutes or so.

Well now I running proxy to finish some of my files that has only international peers, so i dont encounter this situation for now...
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post Oct 6 2006, 12:37 PM

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Well try not to abuse the free proxies with overexcessive connections, ie keep your global connections low, I kept mine at 100.

Too much connection will stress the server and in the long run they'll probably ban all Msian IP from accessing it if we're abusing it with 100+ to 300 connections non-stop.
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post Oct 6 2006, 11:09 PM

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Nope the up and down has probably nothing to do with throttling. It is just the proxies are not meant for torrenting, that's why it blocks connection at a regular interval, then later let's connection get established again.

That's why it is like a roller coaster.

If it is throttling then I would not be able to establish a connection through and obtain max speed then.

Currently idling at 60kb/s on proxy, perhaps it is the time to change, cant seem to hit 100+kb/s now.
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post Oct 7 2006, 12:42 AM

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A case of miscapped line. (maybe biggrin.gif)

Ahh alas the proxies I was using died... damn time to change to another >_< (I almost exhaust the list in xproxy already >_<)

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post Oct 7 2006, 01:03 AM

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I have also contributed in regards to sometips on proxies.

Anyways sorry cant help on getting screenshots for the se up on Comet and Azerus, I uninstalled those long ago biggrin.gif

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