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post Oct 21 2006, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(karhoe @ Oct 20 2006, 05:50 PM)
I am using HTTP tunnel, and my speed DOUBLED, YEAHH

Before tunneling, 2kb, after tunelling 4kb....at least my 1gb file will download in half the time.
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1 GB at constant 4kb/s = 582.5 hours = 24 days. well, better than 2kb/s anyway.

48 days for 1GB. that's what TMNet wanted us to do. anymore than that and they'll accuse us for abusing our connection. they really deserved a big middle finger (not our money) for providing this kind of so called services.
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post Oct 21 2006, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(omikron @ Oct 20 2006, 06:32 PM)
website: http://www.http-tunnel.com/
forum  : http://www.http-tunnel.com/phpbb2/index.php
Here some stats I got for those who is think of using http-tunnel.
So far I used it on 6 torrent.
3 torrent speed at 55+ kB/s, 1000+ seeds, 80-100% int. seeders connected
2 torrent speed at 40+ KB/s, <1000 seeds, 70% int. seeders connected
1 torrent speed at <15 KB/s, due low seeders, < 10 seeds, 100% int. seeders

Down side that I notice so far:
- Usually connect to North American seeds, get stuuf from Eu might slower
- upload is kinda wacky, so private tracker might an issue for some.
- torrent can start quite slow, might take 5 min to get nice speed
- no UDP yet. the developer seem to be planning to add it in future client release
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erm, r u using free or paid one?
i cant find any info on their site about the details limitation of free ones...

needless to say, mine isnt as effective as urs so far.. not sure if its because mine's free or simply cant work for me

QUOTE(jcheong @ Oct 21 2006, 08:03 AM)
4kbp/s?
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thats the sad situation now... for those who's really being capped, like me
10kbps is cool
20kbps is phenomenal
50kbps, i'll eat my keyboard
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post Oct 21 2006, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(Hornet @ Oct 21 2006, 11:15 AM)
erm, r u using free or paid one?
i cant find any info on their site about the details limitation of free ones...

needless to say, mine isnt as effective as urs so far.. not sure if its because mine's free or simply cant work for me
thats the sad situation now... for those who's really being capped, like me
10kbps is cool 
20kbps is phenomenal
50kbps, i'll eat my keyboard
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got maa:
HTTP-Tunnel's Low Bandwidth servers are limited to 1.5 kilobytes/sec.

free one is useless.
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post Oct 21 2006, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(Hornet @ Oct 21 2006, 11:15 AM)
erm, r u using free or paid one?
i cant find any info on their site about the details limitation of free ones...

needless to say, mine isnt as effective as urs so far.. not sure if its because mine's free or simply cant work for me
thats the sad situation now... for those who's really being capped, like me
10kbps is cool 
20kbps is phenomenal
50kbps, i'll eat my keyboard
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Yes using paid one. The free one's speed is only 1.5 kB/s only thing you can do with it is chat and email. There a speed test on the client appz but is not correct at all (for High Speed one).

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post Oct 21 2006, 12:11 PM

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ohh.... then its pointless for me >.<
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post Oct 21 2006, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(tangent709 @ Sep 26 2006, 10:24 AM)
NEWSFLASH
TMNet has recently installed hardware that is able to control P2P via traffic shaping at the international gateway. These devices are able to detect and limit / throttle P2P data transmission - including encrypted torrents

The application of this P2P shaping is being carried out on a rolling basis across all Streamyx users in Malaysia, and results in severe speed degradation when your BT client tries to connect to peers located outside of TMNET's WAN. i.e. outside Malaysia.

You will most likely still be able to connect and transfer data at high speed to other peers using Streamyx, because the network placement of the hardware is probably as shown below

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As a result, many Streamyx customers are experiencing difficulty in using bit torrent - an internet protocol that is both a legitimate and highly effective means of data transfer

This foum topic is to discuss ways of bypassing this by various means including (but not limited to) :
SSH Tunneling / SOCKS Proxies

Exotic new P2P protocols / encryption

Malaysian torrent trackers

Newgroups

Web server based torrent clients (torrentflux)
We are looking for ideas about what might work and what doesn't work. All suggestions are welcome!!

Please do not rant about TMNet in this topic. There are plenty of other topics open for you to do that. If you are not shaped, then consider yourself lucky. But, don't try and prove to others that TMNet is not shaping.
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JUST one question here ...

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post Oct 21 2006, 01:15 PM

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Maybe we should have a pc in some kampung area somewhere that acts as a torrent server as that place is less likely to be throttled. BTW do you know there are devices to cache bittorrent data/traffic so that less international bandwidth is used? TM Net however decided to throttle instead of cache to reduce the international links usage. How backwards is that?! mad.gif Hmmm, in fact I'm gonna e-mail TM Net CEO and ask him why use this backwards approach.

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post Oct 21 2006, 01:28 PM

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even with http tunnel...it dont work wit bitcomet...guys got any other ways? any other idea?
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post Oct 21 2006, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(work_tgr @ Oct 21 2006, 12:54 PM)
JUST one question here ...

* how you know this ? *
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If you have decent knowledge of the TCP/IP, everyone would be able to guess what kind of hardware (I prefer call it appliance) that installed at the international gateway in tmnet.

I guess the bandwidth shaping appliance is understanding the bit torrent packet pattern, or able to decrypt the encrypted protocol.

I'm also using another p2p software which is for video streaming, which, i don't see any bandwidth shaping on it, I got full speed when watching TV channel from the net. this implies, if bittorrent change the protocol or encrytion strength, it could be able to bypass the throttling, but again, i believe the appliance will be able to upgrade the firmware to detect the new changes and probably manage to successfully throttle again.
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QUOTE(cropika @ Oct 21 2006, 01:28 PM)
even with http tunnel...it dont work wit bitcomet...guys got any other ways? any other idea?
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actually http-tunnel promoting bitspirit to be used along
but then bitspirit really eat a lot of your memory and cpu
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post Oct 23 2006, 01:06 AM

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You're wrong. It does work with Bitcomet(tested with 0.70) but it just make thing worse. slower...
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post Oct 23 2006, 01:47 AM

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my torrent speed of 1MB package is around 20-40kb..wondering if i downgrade to 512 i will get 0-10kb... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(vincentlee83 @ Oct 23 2006, 01:47 AM)
my torrent speed of 1MB package is around 20-40kb..wondering if i downgrade to 512 i will get 0-10kb... sweat.gif
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Oddly enough I think if you downgrade you might get 30-50kb speeds. Due to the 1mbit is higher SNR (or something something I remember Hardyboyz saying)...

I'm on a 512 line and I'm getting same speeds as you. So you might as well downgrade so that you pay less for the same thing you're getting, eh?
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please vote your opinion here. I need more votes. thanks.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=356672
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QUOTE(Kanuki @ Oct 23 2006, 01:06 AM)
You're wrong. It does work with Bitcomet(tested with 0.70) but it just make thing worse. slower...
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im not wrong lah bro. that why im saying http-tunnel "promoting bitspirit" to be used together with http-tunnel. its more compatible. more documentation for bitspirit
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I not sure if their is a spy here or not but http-tunnel service seem to be operating badly after I put the service in the lime light. Can't get pass 30kB/s now. I'll try a few more torrent files and see it is still the same.
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Maybe it depend on the torrent u dl. if its a hot n famous torrent for sure u can get good speed unless tmnnut doing something.
right now im using relakks. speed around 30kBps but the torrent is not that hot so the speed can consider ok
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so a better choice is use utorrent + http tunnel?
im getting 0-1kBps only in bitcomet....
DHT last time return quite a numebr of peer,but now zero only
btw,can i resume my download from bitcomet in utorrent?
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QUOTE(nexus @ Oct 23 2006, 12:26 PM)
so a better choice is use utorrent + http tunnel?
im getting 0-1kBps only in bitcomet....
DHT last time return quite a numebr of peer,but now zero only
btw,can i resume my download from bitcomet in utorrent?
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it can be easily done with this
@for /r %%i in (*.bc!) do @move "%%~fi" "%%~dpni" <-----

copy all the red color text and put in the notepad
then save as RENAME.BAT
put inside the folder u store yr torrent previously dl with bitcomet
just right click and open the file.
then u done yr convertion from any bt client to utorrent thumbup.gif
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I currently using Azureus 2.5.0.0 .. Download are quit slow around having 20b~5Kbps ..
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