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 The Official Lowyat.NET Sintua Thread, A thread on Chinese folk religion.

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sales.convenience
post Jun 5 2015, 04:13 PM

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post Jun 7 2015, 01:38 PM

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Hi Nacthsider,
I was told that the chief diety in charged (or BIG BOSS) of Big bro & Small bro above is "Tu Si Wan". Do you have any infor on this? Perhap, some pictures of how the BIG BOSS look like.
Thanks.

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QUOTE(sweetguy @ Jun 7 2015, 01:38 PM)
Hi Nacthsider,
I was told that the chief diety in charged (or BIG BOSS) of Big bro & Small bro above is "Tu Si Wan". Do you have any infor on this? Perhap, some pictures of how the BIG BOSS look like.
Thanks.
The name 'Tu Si Wan' does not correspond to any Hell deity I recognise.

As a matter of fact, it doesn't even sound like any dialect I understand.
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post Jun 10 2015, 10:51 PM

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Hi Nacht, not sure if this has been mentioned here before in this thread. can share with us about ppl keeping "little ghosts"?
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 10 2015, 11:29 PM)
The name 'Tu Si Wan' does not correspond to any Hell deity I recognise.

As a matter of fact, it doesn't even sound like any dialect I understand.
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thks, perhaps my pronounce wrong. I'll asked when go back to my hometown.
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QUOTE(estcin @ Jun 10 2015, 10:51 PM)
Hi Nacht, not sure if this has been mentioned here before in this thread. can share with us about ppl keeping "little ghosts"?
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'Kept ghosts' can be divided into three categories.

The first category are those who are fugitives from the spiritual law, who are trying to escape their final judgement - they find refuge with those who are willing to keep and provide for them, in exchange for favours.

The second category are those who are detained against their will by black magic practitioners and forced to serve their captors, cruelly prevented from crossing over into the next world.

The third category are authorised by a deity or deities to be kept by certain individuals (e.g. priests, monks, spiritual masters) and perform good deeds in their service as a form of penance or spiritual cultivation.

People who keep ghosts belonging to category #1 are guilty of harbouring criminals on the run.

People who keep ghosts belonging to category #2 are guilty of unlawful detention/slavery.

Severe penalties apply to such offenders, so avoid such activities like the plague.
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post Jun 14 2015, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 13 2015, 10:14 PM)
'Kept ghosts' can be divided into three categories.

The first category are those who are fugitives from the spiritual law, who are trying to escape their final judgement - they find refuge with those who are willing to keep and provide for them, in exchange for favours.

The second category are those who are detained against their will by black magic practitioners and forced to serve their captors, cruelly prevented from crossing over into the next world.

The third category are authorised by a deity or deities to be kept by certain individuals (e.g. priests, monks, spiritual masters) and perform good deeds in their service as a form of penance or spiritual cultivation.

People who keep ghosts belonging to category #1 are guilty of harbouring criminals on the run.

People who keep ghosts belonging to category #2 are guilty of unlawful detention/slavery.

Severe penalties apply to such offenders, so avoid such activities like the plague.
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How are categories #1 and #2 possible? That means the spiritual police are incompetent?
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jun 14 2015, 01:27 AM)
How are categories #1 and #2 possible? That means the spiritual police are incompetent?
They are like any police force.

Possessed of finite manpower and finite resources, which have to be judiciously applied, certainly not everywhere at once.

Competent, but not omnipotent.
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 13 2015, 10:14 PM)
'Kept ghosts' can be divided into three categories.

The first category are those who are fugitives from the spiritual law, who are trying to escape their final judgement - they find refuge with those who are willing to keep and provide for them, in exchange for favours.

The second category are those who are detained against their will by black magic practitioners and forced to serve their captors, cruelly prevented from crossing over into the next world.

The third category are authorised by a deity or deities to be kept by certain individuals (e.g. priests, monks, spiritual masters) and perform good deeds in their service as a form of penance or spiritual cultivation.

People who keep ghosts belonging to category #1 are guilty of harbouring criminals on the run.

People who keep ghosts belonging to category #2 are guilty of unlawful detention/slavery.

Severe penalties apply to such offenders, so avoid such activities like the plague.
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Thanks. I've heard ppl keeping ghosts to protect themselves. Another story I heard is a gambler brought the little ghost into Genting casino to help him win money and his ghost not able to leave the casino with him.
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post Jun 20 2015, 12:49 AM

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Bro Natch and I were chatting and he came out with a couplet.
In dedication to the 9 netherworld warriors
[cool.gif九陰忠貞遵敕令... 將軍剛毅守萬民[/B]
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And I came out with one too ,
]陰曹善惡必經路 分明無私萬民服
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Just Sharing biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(sales.convenience @ Jun 20 2015, 12:49 AM)
Bro Natch and I were chatting and he came out with a couplet.
In dedication to the 9 netherworld warriors
九陰忠貞遵敕令... 將軍剛毅守萬民
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And I came out with one too ,
陰曹善惡必經路 分明無私萬民服
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Just Sharing biggrin.gif
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Thank you, bro Sales. It's always a pleasure to chat with a fellow sintua enthusiast. Your couplet perfectly describes the inevitable nature of the cleansing, discerning inferno of the Netherworld, which all must undergo. biggrin.gif

The Nine Yin Warriors I have already spoken about earlier in the thread; they are such a fascinating squad of Hell constables.

The second picture Sales has posted is a wall-painting of the Bridge of Sorrows/奈何桥; this is a great bridge situated in the realm that the Fourth Court of Hell encompasses, spanning a river of blood in which dwell huge serpents that feed on sinners. It is one of the two main entry/exit points of the Netherworld, the other being the main gate in the realm of the First Court of Hell - the Gui Men Guan/鬼门关, which is where pretty much everyone passes through on their way to trial.

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Every now and then, Guan Yin comes sailing up the river of blood in a large vessel known as the Ship of Salvation. She will embark those souls who have sufficiently cultivated themselves and/or repented to warrant passage to Paradise rather than be reincarnated, and convey them there.

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post Jun 21 2015, 12:53 AM

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Bro Natch has surely conveyed much of the needed to be said information readily available.

I shall post a link here to a Taiwanese program that emphasizes on various temples in Taiwan as well as TWO temples from Malaysia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXl9sDSuh4w
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QUOTE(sales.convenience @ Jun 21 2015, 12:53 AM)
Bro Natch has surely conveyed much of the needed to be said information readily available.

I shall post a link here to a Taiwanese program that emphasizes on various temples in Taiwan as well as TWO temples from Malaysia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXl9sDSuh4w
Thank you kindly, Sales. rclxms.gif

The Johor Old Temple, which features in the video, is a magnificent establishment over a century old, primarily dedicated to Lord Xuan Wu. It is located in Johor Baru's Jalan Tuas area; visiting it would be well worth your while, people.

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Who are the Bamboo Warriors?

The Zhu Jun/竹军 or Bamboo Warriors are often lumped under the '阴神' or Netherworld deities umbrella, although in fact they strictly speaking are not. While often commanded by Hell beings, they do not actually originate from Hell. Rather, they are shadowy spirit creatures, nature spirits, if you will, of a semi-neutral disposition.

They dwell mostly within old-growth plants and trees (such as bamboo, hence their name), but also inhabit other deserted or wilderness areas. They can be summoned by deities to provide extra security detail and labour during major ceremonies and other sizable ritual events - mercenaries or casual workers of sorts, you could say.

Shoots of thick bamboo are used as anchor objects for them to manifest, or to house them (see first pic below). The bamboo shoots are placed in the five cardinal directions of North, South, East, West and Centre during the abovementioned ceremonies and rituals, thus assigning the warriors to work within each relevant sector (see second pic below).

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post Jun 23 2015, 08:21 PM

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Today is the birthday of the Black and White Brothers.

This is me raising a toast to them. rclxm9.gif

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post Jun 24 2015, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 22 2015, 02:14 AM)
Who are the Bamboo Warriors?

The Zhu Jun/竹军 or Bamboo Warriors are often lumped under the '阴神' or Netherworld deities umbrella, although in fact they strictly speaking are not. While often commanded by Hell beings, they do not actually originate from Hell. Rather, they are shadowy spirit creatures, nature spirits, if you will, of a semi-neutral disposition.

They dwell mostly within old-growth plants and trees (such as bamboo, hence their name), but also inhabit other deserted or wilderness areas. They can be summoned by deities to provide extra security detail and labour during major ceremonies and other sizable ritual events - mercenaries or casual workers of sorts, you could say.

Shoots of thick bamboo are used as anchor objects for them to manifest, or to house them (see first pic below). The bamboo shoots are placed in the five cardinal directions of North, South, East, West and Centre during the abovementioned ceremonies and rituals, thus assigning the warriors to work within each relevant sector (see second pic below).

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Are they they only spirit that inhabits trees/plants not necessary bamboos. Do they co-exist with others ?
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Jun 24 2015, 09:38 AM)
Are they they only spirit that inhabits trees/plants not necessary bamboos. Do they co-exist with others ?
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Spirits that inhabit plants can be of many different types.

Some are spirits of dead people.

Others are non human spirits - elemental beings, animal spirits, nature spirits, earth deities, and so on.

The Bamboo Troopers belong to the second category, and are considered to be a homogeneous type of spirit creature - a distinct 'species', if you will.

They could potentially coexist with other types, but have a wild streak that would probably rule this out in most cases.

And yes, they can inhabit all sorts of old growth plants, although bamboo is their favourite haunt.
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 25 2015, 07:59 AM)
Spirits that inhabit plants can be of many different types.

Some are spirits of dead people.

Others are non human spirits - elemental beings, animal spirits, nature spirits, earth deities, and so on.

The Bamboo Troopers belong to the second category, and are considered to be a homogeneous type of spirit creature - a distinct 'species', if you will.

They could potentially coexist with other types, but have a wild streak that would probably rule this out in most cases.

And yes, they can inhabit all sorts of old growth plants, although bamboo is their favourite haunt.
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That's interesting, because usually in old growth plants, usually there's already a shrine to Datuk Gong.
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post Jun 25 2015, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 25 2015, 07:59 AM)
Spirits that inhabit plants can be of many different types.

Some are spirits of dead people.

Others are non human spirits - elemental beings, animal spirits, nature spirits, earth deities, and so on.

The Bamboo Troopers belong to the second category, and are considered to be a homogeneous type of spirit creature - a distinct 'species', if you will.

They could potentially coexist with other types, but have a wild streak that would probably rule this out in most cases.

And yes, they can inhabit all sorts of old growth plants, although bamboo is their favourite haunt.
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in that case, if one really need to cut down tree/bamboo, what one ought to do to in order not to offence the spirits but at the same time eradicate any these spirits' dwelling place?

or this should be a work only can be tasked to a medium?

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jun 25 2015, 11:07 AM)
That's interesting, because usually in old growth plants, usually there's already a shrine to Datuk Gong.
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Datuks fall under the earth deities/nature spirits category.

Not all old growth plants are inhabited by Datuks, by the way.

They may harbour spirits from any category, or even not harbour spirits at all.

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