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> The Official Lowyat.NET Sintua Thread, A thread on Chinese folk religion.

nachtsider
post Apr 20 2018, 06:41 AM

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QUOTE(raggen @ Apr 20 2018, 12:44 AM)
Hey nach wanted to ask ah,
usually i go temple bai bai with my family they will go to the kim zua section and also take 2 packets of offerings.
- a packet of dried tea leaves wrapped around with a thick paper
- a packet of "prayer cookie/biscuit" which is in a plastic wrapper. The prayer cookie/biscuit is vertical shape and pink in colour. It looks very similar to the frozen crab stick that we buy in the supermarket those kind.

Than they will cut it open and put on a red tray and leave it on the table before the gods.

Usually i don't really notice or care about it because it happens everytime since young. And everytime we give the offerings is my parents or older brother give. So i recently go bai bai on my own than i realised i dont know what to do.

- should i bring the tea leaves and prayer cookie home? or should it be burnt? (I rmb my family always just leave there but i might be wrong. just want to confim)
- if the temple got many altars should i offer all of them tea leave and prayer cookie?
- is there a reason why we offer this 2 items? Like is there a symbolic reason? I also see it all the time by the roadside esp during 7th month. Or also just randomly by the roadside
- should it be offered to the gods before or after praying?
Thanks alot nacht.
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The places I attend don't include tidbits of this sort.

It's not part of the standard practice in my part of the woods.

Why don't you ask the staff and find out?
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post Apr 20 2018, 08:06 AM

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Dr. Natch,
Lord Guan is real historical figure in the ancient China time. What we have learnt about him are mainly from The Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel which mixes facts with fictions or other sources which may not reflect the real story about him.

I always have this idea but it sounds unconventional. It would be interesting if we could ask Lord Guan about his life history personally. Is that possible during consultation with the medium who channels Lord Guan? Would it appear rude to the deity?

Thanks.

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post Apr 20 2018, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(iamoracle @ Apr 20 2018, 08:06 AM)
Dr. Natch,
Lord Guan is real historical figure in the ancient China time. What we have learnt about him are mainly from The Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel which mixes facts with fictions or other sources which may not reflect the real story about him.

I always have this idea but it sounds unconventional. It would be interesting if we could ask Lord Guan about his life history personally. Is that possible during consultation with the medium who channels Lord Guan? Would it appear rude to the deity?

Thanks.
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Someone actually tried this with a legitimate Lord Guan medium.

The aspect of Lord Guan that was being channeled stated that did not know the whole story, as he was merely a 'memory' of the Lord Guan, 'an embodiment of his courage and warrior spirit' and not the original article.

Being a diluted copy of the original (a copy of a copy of a copy), who only came into existence when the sintua was founded in order to serve as its resident aspect of Lord Guan, he was somewhat hazy regarding his progenitor, retaining his personality and skill set but not necessarily all his memories.

According to him, the original Lord Guan has probably long since ascended beyond even the Heavenly Realm and left the running of things to his various copies and aspects.
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post May 7 2018, 08:02 PM

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Tomorrow is the birthday of Ma Zu the sea goddess, matron of mariners, seafarers, fisherfolk and travelers.

If you happen to be in KL, feel free to swing by the Thean Hou Temple in Taman Persiaran Desa; it is the largest and grandest temple dedicated to her, and festivities in her honor will be in full swing.

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post May 9 2018, 05:45 PM

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It's that time of the year again.

Vote wisely, everybody.

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post May 11 2018, 01:06 PM

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The message got through, we voted wisely.
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post May 11 2018, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(conxtion @ May 11 2018, 01:06 PM)
The message got through, we voted wisely.
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Damn straight we did!
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post May 15 2018, 03:47 PM

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Hi bro nacht, I went to this temple 师爷宫 in Kajang. why is he called 财神爷 under this altar? I thought he is 大二爷伯

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post May 15 2018, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(estcin @ May 15 2018, 03:47 PM)
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Hi bro nacht, I went to this temple 师爷宫 in Kajang. why is he called 财神爷 under this altar? I thought he is 大二爷伯
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Tua Ya Pek can sometimes provide wealth to the deserving.

But this is hardly his primary function.

His primary function is as a bringer of death.
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post May 15 2018, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ May 15 2018, 06:10 PM)
Tua Ya Pek can sometimes provide wealth to the deserving.

But this is hardly his primary function.

His primary function is as a bringer of death.
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Ok thanks. Wonder if they mis-label or what
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post May 15 2018, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(estcin @ May 15 2018, 07:27 PM)
Ok thanks. Wonder if they mis-label or what
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I chalk this more down to ignorance than anything else.

To the notion that all gods are bringers of sugar and spice and everything nice.

What originally motivated Tua Li Ya Pek worship was fear, plain and simple.

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post May 21 2018, 09:53 PM

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Na Zha's birthday falls tomorrow.

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For any of you who are in Singapore or who can easily access Singapore, the Pulau Ubin Tua Pek Gong temple will be holding a festival in Tua Pek Gong's honor.

The schedule for the festival is as follows.

Note that Tua Li Ya Pek will be making a special appearance on the night of 29 May at 8 p.m.

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post May 22 2018, 12:11 AM

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Hey everyone! Been a while since I am here. A few weeks ago I went to this one very famous temple in Jakarta. It was completed in 1650 (source), making it the oldest temple in Jakarta at 268 years old (by 2018). It is located in the famous Chinatown of Jakarta, in Glodok. This temple is undergoing renovations right now.

Went there when my parents came and visit me in Jakarta, and their deities are so "complete". When I go there again I'll take photos of all the deities and list them down here. Some that I remember are Guanyin, Sakyamuni Buddha, 财神爷, Bodhidharma, 大二爷伯, 二郎神, 关公 (that they got from China), 弥勒佛, 十八罗汉, 三尊佛祖, 玄天上帝, 妈祖, 花公花婆, 天狗, 土地公, 城隍爷, 慚愧祖師, and also a local deity, Mbah Djugo, who is a pertapa (ascetic) from Gunung Kawi

One of the famous places in this temple is their Guanyin Hall (观音堂), which I know is "很灵" from my friend's parents in Jakarta. Inside the hall is a big Guanyin statue wearing a huge coat, and when you step inside, you can feel yourself shivering. This temple survived the wars and the anti-Chinese riot, and lived to tell the story (there was a fire as recent as 2015).

One thing I want to ask, who is Tua Jee Ah Pek (大二爷伯)? When I ask my parents, my dad was about to answer, then my mom was like, don't say ._.

Anyway, here are some photos from the temple!

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Here are some more photos from their instagram place page.
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post May 22 2018, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(HwangTommy @ May 22 2018, 12:11 AM)
Hey everyone! Been a while since I am here. A few weeks ago I went to this one very famous temple in Jakarta. It was completed in 1650 (source), making it the oldest temple in Jakarta at 268 years old (by 2018). It is located in the famous Chinatown of Jakarta, in Glodok. This temple is undergoing renovations right now.

Went there when my parents came and visit me in Jakarta, and their deities are so "complete". When I go there again I'll take photos of all the deities and list them down here. Some that I remember are Guanyin, Sakyamuni Buddha, 财神爷, Bodhidharma, 大二爷伯, 二郎神, 关公 (that they got from China), 弥勒佛, 十八罗汉, 三尊佛祖, 玄天上帝, 妈祖, 花公花婆, 天狗, 土地公, 城隍爷, 慚愧祖師, and also a local deity, Mbah Djugo, who is a pertapa (ascetic) from Gunung Kawi

One of the famous places in this temple is their Guanyin Hall (观音堂), which I know is "很灵" from my friend's parents in Jakarta. Inside the hall is a big Guanyin statue wearing a huge coat, and when you step inside, you can feel yourself shivering. This temple survived the wars and the anti-Chinese riot, and lived to tell the story (there was a fire as recent as 2015).

One thing I want to ask, who is Tua Jee Ah Pek (大二爷伯)? When I ask my parents, my dad was about to answer, then my mom was like, don't say ._.

Anyway, here are some photos from the temple!

user posted image32263017_10212144223949480_7808839482928529408_n by Tommy Hwang, on Flickr
user posted image32170025_10212144224269488_9170910029241384960_n by Tommy Hwang, on Flickr
user posted image32169383_10212144224549495_569481945843499008_n by Tommy Hwang, on Flickr
user posted image32226769_10212144224829502_8453934465457061888_n by Tommy Hwang, on Flickr
user posted image32169529_10212144225229512_1734141093559140352_n by Tommy Hwang, on Flickr

Here are some more photos from their instagram place page.
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Very artfully taken photographs. I wish there were more shots of the enshrined deities, though.

Tua Li Ya Pek are the Black and White Ghosts - the death gods, the policemen from Hell, the fetchers of newly deceased souls.

I would have thought that you would be familiar with them by now, considering how much I like to mention them. tongue.gif

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post May 22 2018, 01:53 PM

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Li Ya Pek bids Na Zha a happy birthday.

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post May 24 2018, 08:26 PM

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Getting ready for the big day on Ubin.

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post May 26 2018, 02:04 AM

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Any place to pray to 虎爷公 in KL? I am going back tomorrow, and I feel that my work is not as smooth recently, I wish to pray to 虎爷公.
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Scenes from Ubin yesterday evening.

The festival is now in full swing.

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QUOTE(HwangTommy @ May 26 2018, 02:04 AM)
Any place to pray to 虎爷公 in KL? I am going back tomorrow, and I feel that my work is not as smooth recently, I wish to pray to 虎爷公.
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Hello Tom, the Lord Guan temple in Jalan Tun H.S. Lee provides such services.

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