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 The Official Lowyat.NET Sintua Thread, A thread on Chinese folk religion.

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post Jan 30 2018, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(conxtion @ Jan 29 2018, 10:18 PM)
Hi, may I know the difference between Tudi Gong vs Dizhu Gong? (Sorry if wrongly spelt)

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Di Zhu Gong is a very minor earth deity, usually assigned to an individual homestead on an individual plot of land.

Tu Di Gong ranks higher; he can be in charge of several estates or tracts of soil.
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post Feb 11 2018, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(thomasbone @ Feb 8 2018, 11:01 PM)
Hi , Do you know where we can buy the 10 Courts of Hell Canvas pr Cloth Banner ? Thanks.
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The best is if you get them professionally printed. That's what I did with mine.

You can go here to find the designs:

http://people.reed.edu/~brashiek/scrolls/index.html
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post Feb 16 2018, 05:33 AM

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QUOTE(thomasbone @ Feb 8 2018, 11:09 PM)
Hi,

I recently went to a SINTUA in Tampines and was amazed. The medium was an Indian and he got tranced to Toh Ya Pek and also Li Ah Pek.

He gave me a 4D and I strike 1st prize.
Lotto numbers should not be used as a sign of a deity's efficacy, nor should they be the reason why you go and attend sintuas.
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post Feb 16 2018, 05:40 AM

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Happy New Year, everybody!

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post Feb 24 2018, 06:26 PM

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Scenes from the advent of the 9th day of the first lunar month - Tua Li Ya Pek, Hell creatures thought they may be, pay respects to the Heavenly Emperor, as all good Hokkiens do.

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post Mar 10 2018, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(lie_ric @ Mar 9 2018, 12:53 PM)
Hi,

First time posting here. I have spent last few days to read up all the posts here from page 1 till the end. It is really a good read and full of information.

Thanks to @nachtsider and other contributors.

I would like to ask a few questions. I believe these questions has not been asked yet but in any case if I missed it please refer me to correct post.

1. My family practise, what now I know as Sintua, but I want to know when my late relatives passed away, there was a "ceremony" lead by a priest. The priest usually has 3 sets of robes, namely red, yellow and black and the chanting is done 4 times every night (One time with red, one time with yellow and twice with black) until the day of burial or cremation. The priest usually chant and carrying handheld bell. During chanting/praying every night, the praying was accompanied by 2 musician with traditional musical instruments. Is this Sintua practise? From what I read here, Sintua does not has priest? Or is it Taoist?

2. Can you share more information like background/history/legend of and how to pray and why people pray to General Horse 马将军?

3. Does all Sintua medium must go in trance to connect to the deity? Is the medium that "communicate" but not go in trance legit?

4. I am in Singapore. Can recommend Hell Theme Sintua?

More questions will come when I think of it. Actually when I start reading I have lots of questions but most of them has been answered in the previous post. Huahaha....

My family has a long believe in Sintua but for me I am just a recent believer and now I pray to mainly Tua Pek Kong, Tua Ji Ya Pek and Cundhi Guanyin / 準提观音
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Hello Ric, and thank you for your readership. Here are my answers to your questions:

1. That fellow was a Taoist priest. Sintua does not have priests; it only has mediums.

2. '马将军' is a vague term. Are you referring to the Five Celestial Steeds used as mounts by the Five Camp Commanders?

3. Someone who communicates with a deity without going into trance can be legit, certainly, but those are very rare.

4. The Ci Shui Gong at No 2, Yishun Industrial Street 1, Singapore 768159 is a trustworthy organisation and a good place to start.

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post Mar 10 2018, 01:45 PM

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Scenes from the Johor Baru Old Temple Chingay:

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post Mar 18 2018, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(nghoongen @ Mar 14 2018, 10:26 PM)
Hi guys, do any of you guys know Er Lang Shen’s temple (二郎神) around Klang Valley?
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There is one near Eng Ann in Klang, but I'm not overly familiar with them.
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post Mar 18 2018, 10:04 AM

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It's Ji Gong's birthday today.

Here, Li Ya Pek bids him many happy returns.

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post Mar 19 2018, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Sl1984 @ Mar 18 2018, 01:41 PM)
Hi Nachtsider,

Yesterday i went to tua li ya pek temple,
I was told that i was a tua li ya pek god son 'khai chai'. I have faith with tua li ya pek.
He ask me to look for the tua li yak pek in klang.
Do you have any idea about this?? I was confused. How to look for tua li ya pek in klang??
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There are a number of Tua Li Ya Pek temples and sintuas in Klang.

One such place is the Qi Yu Dian, which I have touted earlier in the thread.

QUOTE(nachtsider @ Nov 21 2015, 09:09 AM)
There is this one temple known as the Hall of Sevenfold Jade/七玉殿. It is one of the few temples in my hometown of Klang dedicated exclusively to the Hell deities, boasting the all-merciful Ksitigarbha Bodhisattva in the main hall, and a special air-conditioned, cave-like basement room where the Black and White Brothers and other lesser but more fearsome Hell beings reside.

You can visit them at 4, Jalan Cox, 41300 Klang; they hold consults on Saturday nights at 9:30 p.m or thereabouts. The temple is admittedly somewhat difficult to find, being off the beaten track; it is located down by the river bank near the Fairy Park funeral parlour, close to Wisma TLT and the old Pawagam Sri Intan.

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post Apr 7 2018, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(lie_ric @ Mar 10 2018, 02:59 PM)
Hi Nacht,

Thanks for the reply.

It means my family practice all Buddhist, Taoist and Sintua. Huahaha..... My mom herself go to Mahayana Buddhist Temple regularly for the chanting session. But pray to various god and goddess in Sintua and we always has the priest during family or relative funeral.

Regarding the '马将军' I am not sure myself. Back in Indonesia, it comes as a pair (See attached photos). One general holding a horse and his partner is a general who hold the war flag. In Singapore, Seng Wong Beo (http://www.beokeng.com/disptemple.php?temple=seng-wong-beo) has this deity too but it was a horse itself without any general and located in the same altar as Tiger God and the Heavenly Dog.

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QUOTE(lie_ric @ Mar 19 2018, 07:15 PM)
Hi Nacht,

Posting again just in case you missed my previous post.

Please see attached photos regarding "马将军".

Does it means any significant to you? Do you know the story/history?

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Unfortunately, these don't really ring a bell.

I wonder if they represent, as I mentioned earlier, generic Celestial steeds or if they are a representation of the Celestial Stables as a whole.

Maybe someone else who knows more might be able to shed light on the issue, or if you do return to any of the temples where they are enshrined, you yourself might be able to make an inquiry.

I'm genuinely curious.
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post Apr 11 2018, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(arenax @ Apr 11 2018, 09:32 AM)
Hungry ghost festival is a Buddhist tradition. Most Chinese are confused which is which.

God is pronounced 'Sim' and not 'Sin'.
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The Hungry Ghost Festival has its roots in the Buddhist Ulambana, but has since been adopted by Chinese folk religion and become subjected to that faith's spin or individual interpretation, as well.

In which dialect is 'god' pronounced as 'sim'? I am Hokkien and so are the majority of sintua adherents; in Hokkien, it most definitely is pronounced as 'sin'.
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QUOTE(thomasbone @ Feb 8 2018, 11:09 PM)
Hi,

I recently went to a SINTUA in Tampines and was amazed. The medium was an Indian and he got tranced to Toh Ya Pek and also Li Ah Pek.

He gave me a 4D and I strike 1st prize.

I was also walking past the prayers place and decided to see the medium and got a lottery number. I heard they trance here on every 15 of the chinese month.

Anyone heard about this place before?

#Tampines Tua Li Ya Peh Sintua 大二爺伯
#TuaLiYaPek
#Hellgods
#大二爺伯
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This is a public service announcement.

If you are in Singapore, avoid the abovementioned sintua like the plague.

They are a scam operation; they charge money, and they claim to be able to channel deities that rightfully cannot be channeled.


They are located at Block 228, Tampines Street 23.

They use the following Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/spiritualgiftss/

Do not fall for their tricks.
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post Apr 14 2018, 07:13 AM

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QUOTE(greenday @ Apr 13 2018, 10:20 PM)
Hi Nacht,

dunno this has been asked before or not, still browsing the thread =P

1) Dai Pak Gong is categorized as yin deity, does this mean he is part of hell deities?

2) let just say if a person is the godson of a deity in temple A, does this relationship extend beyond that temple with the same deity? maybe in temple B that has the same deity? normally the godson will address the medium in trance as godfather if they are the godchild but does this hold the same in different temple?

3) if i am not mistaken, there are different "lvl" or "state" that a deity can be channeled , i.e i have seen before there are mediums channeling juvenile Ji Gong and adult Ji Gong. hmmm what is reason to have different version of this? does the godson relationship in (2) extend / applicable beyond the lvl? Does it mean the higher lvl is more powerful? hmmm how many lvl or state are there?

TQ =D
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1. By 'Dai Pak Gong', do you mean Tua Pek Gong? You are speaking a form of dialect that I do not recognise/understand. If you mean Tua Pek Gong, then no, he is not a Hell deity. If you mean Tua Ya Pek, then yes, he is a Hell deity.

2. It all depends on whether or not the deity is a singular individual. For instance, if you are a godchild of Na Zha, you will be recognised at all Na Zha temples, because there is only one Na Zha. Same goes with Ji Gong, Lord guan, etc. They are all singular deities. If you are a godchild of Tua Ya Pek, however, that would really depend, because there are dozens of Tua Ya Peks. He is not a singular deity.

3. The state or form of a particular deity that can be channeled depends on how physically and mentally fit the medium is to channel that particular state or form. Different states or forms can possess different powers. But at the end of the day, the deity's identity is the same throughout, and the godchild relationship will extend across the board.
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QUOTE(arenax @ Apr 11 2018, 09:20 PM)
True. It's origin is Buddhism , I am glad you  don't deny it like some people I've met.

I am sorry, I mistake for 'heart' which is 'sim'. Yes, god is 'sin'.

My brain is too tired today due to  hot weather.
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QUOTE(IAmLejen @ Apr 17 2018, 04:19 PM)
Finally finish reading the thread in 3 days time! What an informative thread this is! I am Guan Yin's God Kid as well and my family can be said to have strong ties with the sintua religion as well for example most of my family will eat vege for 3-12 days during the 9 Emperor's festival. I got a question for Dr Nacht due to curiosity.

How does one know they are being chosen to become a medium? Any signs or visions?
Thank you!
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Hello Lejen,

Yes, you will be notified via a vision or a dream if you are selected for mediumship.

Thank you for stopping by; do stick around and feel free to ask as many questions as you like. smile.gif

Nacht
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QUOTE(iamoracle @ Apr 19 2018, 08:49 AM)
Glad to see that this thread is still as interesting as before. smile.gif

One question for our in-house expert, Dr. Nacht.

There are usually some sorts of gesture or action performed by a medium when channeling a deity. Are all mediums channeling the same deity will perform the same "standard operating procedures"?

Thanks.
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There are some poses and gestures that are unique to certain deities.

Others are common to all Heavenly gods, and others are common to all Hell deities.

You will rarely find poses and gestures that are common to both Heavenly and Hell beings, save perhaps normal bows and other gestures of deference.

Heavenly gods tend to adopt very regal and striking poses, while Hell deities tend to have weird inhuman postures that reflect their nature as ghosts/undead creatures.

Take a look at this first video; watch from 13:40 to see Lord Guan's imperious body language:



Then take a look at this second video; watch from 0:48 to see how Li Ya Pek walks.


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QUOTE(raggen @ Apr 20 2018, 12:44 AM)
Hey nach wanted to ask ah,
usually i go temple bai bai with my family they will go to the kim zua section and also take 2 packets of offerings.
- a packet of dried tea leaves wrapped around with a thick paper
- a packet of "prayer cookie/biscuit" which is in a plastic wrapper. The prayer cookie/biscuit is vertical shape and pink in colour. It looks very similar to the frozen crab stick that we buy in the supermarket those kind.

Than they will cut it open and put on a red tray and leave it on the table before the gods.

Usually i don't really notice or care about it because it happens everytime since young. And everytime we give the offerings is my parents or older brother give. So i recently go bai bai on my own than i realised i dont know what to do.

- should i bring the tea leaves and prayer cookie home? or should it be burnt? (I rmb my family always just leave there but i might be wrong. just want to confim)
- if the temple got many altars should i offer all of them tea leave and prayer cookie?
- is there a reason why we offer this 2 items? Like is there a symbolic reason? I also see it all the time by the roadside esp during 7th month. Or also just randomly by the roadside
- should it be offered to the gods before or after praying?
Thanks alot nacht.
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The places I attend don't include tidbits of this sort.

It's not part of the standard practice in my part of the woods.

Why don't you ask the staff and find out?
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QUOTE(iamoracle @ Apr 20 2018, 08:06 AM)
Dr. Natch,
Lord Guan is real historical figure in the ancient China time. What we have learnt about him are mainly from The Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel which mixes facts with fictions or other sources which may not reflect the real story about him.

I always have this idea but it sounds unconventional. It would be interesting if we could ask Lord Guan about his life history personally. Is that possible during consultation with the medium who channels Lord Guan? Would it appear rude to the deity?

Thanks.
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Someone actually tried this with a legitimate Lord Guan medium.

The aspect of Lord Guan that was being channeled stated that did not know the whole story, as he was merely a 'memory' of the Lord Guan, 'an embodiment of his courage and warrior spirit' and not the original article.

Being a diluted copy of the original (a copy of a copy of a copy), who only came into existence when the sintua was founded in order to serve as its resident aspect of Lord Guan, he was somewhat hazy regarding his progenitor, retaining his personality and skill set but not necessarily all his memories.

According to him, the original Lord Guan has probably long since ascended beyond even the Heavenly Realm and left the running of things to his various copies and aspects.
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Tomorrow is the birthday of Ma Zu the sea goddess, matron of mariners, seafarers, fisherfolk and travelers.

If you happen to be in KL, feel free to swing by the Thean Hou Temple in Taman Persiaran Desa; it is the largest and grandest temple dedicated to her, and festivities in her honor will be in full swing.

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