Most people speak Hokkien around here.

Heck, even the 大士爷 speak a weird Hokkien too. LOL

While Ji Gong 济公，the one that dress poorly, waving a fan constantly and drink a lot.
Due to the fact he is technically a monk, some would say it is a Buddhist God, but as you know, there is no strict line between Buddhist, Taoist and Chinese folklore here in Malaysia.

Maybe the guy just don't like me.

This Ji Gong also once caught playing modern magic tricks with kids in front of the crowd.
He holds some candy in his hand, some how make them vanish (actually transfer hand in a concealed way)
Then he ask the kids around him to called him as God GrandFather (Kai Ye) then he chanted and make the candy come back.
Kids, of course love to see this.

natchsider do you mind if i posted video here showing mediums on trance?
it looks interesting but don't know real or faking...

People often mix up Chinese folk religion and Taoism, although the truth is that both religions have distinct practices and are in fact not identical.

Ji Gong often wears a smile even when dealing with unpleasant people, harbouring no malice in his heart. For him to not like someone would mean that the person is especially evil or despicable, which you most certainly are not.

He is a monk, yes, and considered an Arhat/Lohan - one who is well along the path of Buddhist enlightenment, but has yet to reach Buddha-hood or even Bodhisattva-hood. But no, Buddhism pays him only the merest of lip service, at best. He is very much a folk figure.

This video (see below) is one that I often recommend to sintua neophytes. The mediums in the video are channelling the Black and White Ghosts; it illustrates the trance process quite well from the point where the mediums 'go under' to the point where they awaken from their trances.

It is not always possible to tell a fake trance just by observing it. The gold standard for the authenticity of a trance is results - a fake medium cannot produce meaningful results, the same way a fake doctor cannot truly heal the sick.



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Oh wait, hang on - it's you who WANT to post trance videos, not you who's ASKING ME to post videos. My apologies; it's been a long day at work and my brain isn't working 100% correctly.

By all means, go ahead and post some videos. I may or may not be familiar with the material that you are posting.

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So in what way they can produce meaningful result?
can they really cure sickness like cancer?

No problem. I appreciate if you or anyone can share other interesting video too.
It seems that the video i mention is of the nine emperor gods, perhaps you can help point out which deities the medium represented.
There are 2 mediums and why in 15:46 he still pray to another deity idols? is it the same deity he represented or other deity?

Im a christian but from time to time I go with my master to pray and burn gold money at this temple of deity Sii Pek Yah. Or we usually call him "Uncle 4". Same characteristic as the Black Ghost you mentioned such as long protruding tongue, tall hat with "once seen become prosper" motto & carrying chain. My master claims that from time to time this deity will bring him to Hell while he's sleeping and then the whole day after he'll feel like he had not slept at all with tired legs

You'll have to pardon me; I'm new to Lowyat and am still unfamiliar with how things work, lol. The link has been corrected; if you would quote the corrected link instead of the wrong one, I'd be much obliged.

Knowing to visit the relevant god for the relevant problem is something one must always bear in mind. Visiting, say, the Black and White Brothers for a health-related issue, would not be appropriate, as they do not specialise in such matters. The gods are very effective within their respective scopes of duty; for example, the Black and White Brothers are your men for the job if you are being bothered by evil spirits. I can relate many instances of such other-wordly disturbances being successfully resolved by mediums who channel those two, including my teacher.

All the same, you should realise that sintua deities are not omnipotent, nor are they necessarily omniscient.

This is an excellent video, documenting VERY clearly the usage of the ritual whip, and the usage of blood to energise talismans and other ritual items. My thanks for posting it, good sir.

While the celebration depicted is in honour of the Nine Emperors, they do not feature here. The older medium with the shaved head is channelling Prince Na Zha/哪吒三太子, who is also known as the Marshal of the Central Altar/中坛元帅. The other guy is not wearing anything to definitively indicate the identity of the god he is channelling, but judging from the pacifier he is wearing around his neck, I think it is likely that he, too, is channelling Na Zha - the warrior prince is often depicted as a young child. The statue that the first medium paid respects to is a statue of Lady Ma Zu/妈祖.

It is perfectly possible for two mediums to channel the same god at the same time and in the same place. This is because what mediums usually channel are not the gods themselves, but what we call proxies or 分身. A proxy is a fragment of the god's life-force, effectively a clone, which they send to earth in order to act on their behalf. The proxy retains the god's personality, although it is of course less powerful than the original, and can serve as the god's eyes and ears. Think of proxies as being like the little monkeys that the Monkey King produces using his hairs and orders to fight by his side or run errands for him. Some say that proxies, if they accumulate enough merits by contributing to the salvation of others, can gain autonomy and eventually become individual deities in their own right.

I will speak about Na Zha and Ma Zu in due course, so don't touch that dial.

wow...... this thread is very informative

Hi Epsilon, good to know that you are open-minded enough to spare a little thought for the 'lesser angels', as I like to call them. We heartily welcome those who are not of the faith but wish to pay their respects.

I can't say I've ever heard of a Si Pek Yah, though. If you could show me some photographs of his statue and provide some background information, I'd be much obliged.

Wanna get your perspective on this, it is said that some of the things a person with certain spiritual powers shouldn't do (medium, clairvoyant; not sure of the term to use) i.e. 1) smoking 2) drinking 3) gambling
The first two are definitely understandable in the sense that smoking and drinking might block certain chakras in the body. But where does gambling come in this?

Never heard of any such restrictions, at least where mediums are concerned. My teacher smoked and drank; so do many others of his profession.

The only thing a medium should definitely abstain from is immoral conduct. Adultery, theft, physically harming others and so on.

Thanks for the invite TS
I am more of original buddhist which discard any superstitious

Channeling through medium is very risky
You dont know its deva, ghost or evil spirit that u invite

never dared to take pic at the temple out of respect and fear of the unknown at the same time lol. But the statues look exactly like those you posted. Long tongue, tall hat and same motto too. With iron chain wrapped across the body. And hell guardian as well that dragged souls to hell. Don't know why he's called sii pak yah a.k.a the fourth lord here though. There's also tua pek yah (1st lord), jii pek yah (2nd lord), sa pek yah (3rd lord) and finally him the forth lord all hell guardian of different levels. Jii pak yah loves to challenge my master to fight to test out kungfu whenever he is "up here":D

I also noticed that different time, this sii pak yah got different personality. Sometimes he likes to joke around, sometimes very quiet and serious. Sometimes speak in hakka other times speak in hokkien. But it seems like most of the time he know what we wanna ask before we even asked. my master's explanation for this is that down under there are lots of agent/representatives working for this 1 sii pak yah. Only when serious help is needed or the person asking got "destiny / jodoh" with actual sii pak yah then only he will come out to help you with your problem.

However his background story is a lil different.

He's used to be a scholar that failed his government entrance exam in ancient China so he hanged himself. Thus the long tongue.....

Last year's 7th month he gave my master a huge book with green cover sort of like the death record. It's all empty inside

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Who is Prince Na Zha?

Prince Na Zha/哪吒三太子 is the third son of Heavenly King Li/托塔李天王, the Commander-in-Chief of the Heavenly armies, and a disciple of Lord Tai Yi/太乙真人, the all-merciful Heavenly saviour. Rebellious, headstrong and brash, he is one of Heaven's most powerful warriors, and certainly the mightiest warrior of his age group (Na Zha attained immortality at the tender age of seven). He is famous for feuding with the Sea Dragon Kings, defeating the Dragon Prince in single combat, committing suicide to save his family and kingdom from the dragons' wrath, being resurrected by his master using a suit of magic lotus leaves, returning to defeat the dragons once and for all, and ascending to take his place as the foremost of the Five Heavenly Generals. Due to his reputation as a dragon slayer, statues of Na Zha are often shown as subduing one or more of these creatures.



Na Zha is capable of manifesting in several forms, all of which wield his signature Fire-Tipped Spear and Universal Ring snare, and stand on the roller-skate-like Fire Wheels that he uses to whoosh across the sky.

The first is his 'ordinary' childlike form, who is depicted wearing the 'stomacher' vest/兜肚 commonly worn by young children in ancient China. Na Zha was the first ever Chinese god to be channelled by mediums, and the stomacher vest, which these early mediums frequently wore, has become a garment associated with mediumship ever since. Many mediums, even those who channel deities other than Na Zha, wear variations of this vest. Indeed, this association between a childlike god, a child's garment and mediumship has resulted in mediums being referred to as 乩童, or 'child diviners'.





The second is his Lotus Prince/莲花三太子 form, which is the form he adopted after being brought back to life by being clothed in Lord Tai Yi's lotus leaf suit. In this form, Na Zha possesses healing abilities.





The third is his Marshal of the Central Altar/中坛元帅 form, which denotes his ascension as a principal Heavenly general. In this form, Na Zha's fighting skills are considered to be at their peak, and he is correspondingly depicted as being heavily armoured for battle, wearing a field commander's feather-plumed helmet.





Na Zha can also adopt a gigantic, three-headed and six-armed form during exceptionally tough fights. This form is exceedingly powerful and destructive, but cannot be sustained for long.

Who is Lady Ma Zu?





Once upon a time, on the island of Mei Zhou, there lived a fishing family by the name of Lin/林, whose only daughter, Mo Niang/默娘, was a superb swimmer and diver. She was renowned for single-handedly saving many luckless people, including young children and shipwrecked sailors, from drowning, and often stood out on rocks in the middle of the ocean, dressed in bright garments and holding a torch, to guide ships safely to shore through stormy weather. As a reward for her selfless bravery, the plucky girl was deified, receiving the title Saintly Queen of Heaven/天后圣母, although she is most commonly known as Ma Zu/妈祖 or Ancestral Mother.

Ma Zu is a sea goddess, possessing the power to control the wind and the waves. She is the patron saint of travellers, particularly those who are travelling over or across the sea. In days gone by, immigrants from China who journeyed by boat to far-off lands (such as the Malay Archipelago) prayed to Ma Zu for safe journeys, and erected temples to her in the places that they settled as a form of thanksgiving.

Often depicted accompanying Ma Zu are two imp-like creatures; the green-skinned Qian Li Yan/千里眼 or Thousand-League Eye, and the red-skinned Shun Feng Er/顺风耳 or Down-the-Wind Ears. These elemental beings, formerly a mischievous pair of troublemakers who wreaked havoc by flippantly altering the weather, were subdued by Ma Zu and subsequently became her loyal attendants. Capable of seeing great distances and hearing the tiniest noises, respectively, as well as flying swiftly, they serve as lookouts, information-gatherers and couriers.