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post Jan 19 2015, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jan 19 2015, 10:42 AM)
Cause I knew a fund manager.

So I asked him to seperate calculate the following day NAV if the fund didn't have declared the distribution.

VERY minimal la.
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1. The fund would have to raise cash to pay those unitholders who chose to receive distributions in cash
2. Administrative expenses
3. ??? unsure.gif

With the new Section 108 single-tier dividend system, tax is no longer an issue.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 19 2015, 11:03 AM)
notworthy.gif  blush.gif  blink.gif  PaiSEH, Pai She  notworthy.gif

ok, let start another theory....
if A got 10,000 units in fund A
B got 12,000 units in fund B

if both fund Nav increased by RM 0.10

A will have + RM 1000
B will have + RM 1200

up until now...I think the above is correct...am I?

if correct....then continue....
that means MORE units will get more gains when the Nav is up the same. Right?

if correct, the continue....
that will also means MORE units will get more loses when the Nav drops. Right?

if yes ...then continue....
how can get more units?..2 methods I can think of..
1) buy more
2) ............. (dare not say...later kena biawak shits)  laugh.gif
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A and B invest in different stocks/sector/market

Apple and Banana comparison!!!
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post Jan 19 2015, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 19 2015, 11:10 AM)
yes, I know,
but will MORE units get more $$ when the Nav goes up?  hmm.gif
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Cos A and B invest in different stocks/sector/market

If A rise 10 sen
B may or may not rise 10 sen

The circumstances and conditions are totally different!
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God ar...rescue me ar... cry.gif
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*buy popcorn*

Wong Seafood vs Unker Looi

Round 1...fight! tongue.gif
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post Jan 19 2015, 12:48 PM

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ABC Fund start with RM1.0000 NAV
Invests in Bolehland equities
Got distribution policy

XYZ Fund start with RM1.0000 NAV
Invests in Japan equities
No distribution policy

Mr Mooncake invests RM10,000 in ABC and RM10,000 in XYZ

After some time...
...both at RM2.0000

ABC declares 50 sen distribution

ABC jadi RM1.5000
Mooncake's holding is at RM20,000
XYZ jadi RM2.0000
Mooncake's holding is at RM20,000

SO coincidental ABC and XYZ also drop 10 sen

What this means?

means,
ABC drop 6.67% (10 sen / RM1.5000)
XYZ drop 5% (10 sen / RM2.0000)

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 19 2015, 12:42 PM)
copied from Guy3288 were he simplified my thought
"as the general impression is -> with dividend distribution, people get more units, so when price up in future they will gain more.

you are trying to show the opposite, you tell them don't be too happy, you can also lose more when the price drops, in future"

where post #912 intend to provoke thought

so is more units a doubled edged sword?
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Unker,

Think %...%...%...%!!!

A mooncake is still a mooncake whether u slice into 4 pieces or 8 pieces or 16 pieces!!!

The biawak shit on your mooncake hit 1/4 of it...

If slice into 4 pieces, u hit 1 piece (unit)
slice into 8 pieces, u hit 2 pieces
slice into 16 pieces, u hit 4 pieces

THINK IN PERCENTAGE!!! vmad.gif

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 19 2015, 12:58 PM)
notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  Sorry,..still kena shit jammed in my head again...
my selling price is per slide..more slides more money made/loss right?
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1 biji mooncake is RM16
4 slice u sell RM4
8 slice u sell RM2
16 slice u sell RM1

IF market price per slice of 1/16 naik 20 sen (for the sake of discussion, assume zero labour cost, ok???)

16 slice u sell RM1.20 (naik 20%)
8 slice u sell RM2.40 (naik 20% also)
4 slice u sell RM4.80 (naik 20% also!)
1 bijik u sell RM19.20 (naik 20% also!!!)

your argument/assumption is like...

if market price for 1 biji naik to RM24 (naik 50%)

u gonna sell 1/16 slice at RM2.40? mau mati ar??

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post Jan 19 2015, 01:24 PM

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Another way of explaining distribution...

U start a chicken farm with 10 adult chickens, RM10 per chicken
- NAV RM1.0000
TOTAL INVESTED: RM100.00

After some time the farm (ALREADY) grow to 100 adult chickens
- NAV RM10.0000
VALUE OF INVESTMENT: RM1,000.00

Refresher course on NAV:
NAV = NET ASSET VALUE
Assets less Liabilities
All profits/(losses) and gains/(expenses) must be recorded in the accounting books IMMEDIATELY when it occurs, not only during year-end close account/pay dividend time

Your farm manager, Mr Chicken King tell u...

"Bos! Your farm is very profitable, now I declare to u, income distribution...10 chickens!" biggrin.gif

NAV of your investment in the farm is now...RM9.0000. RM1.000 is the SUPER doper income distributed to u

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Next day flood happened...

As a result 20% of your chicken went swimming at Sungai Klang

Your NAV drop to RM7.2000
Your TOTAL INVESTMENT VALUE: RM800.00

What if Mr Chicken King did not declare distribution?

Can someone answer on my behalf ar...I very tired already doh.gif

If I continue further, I need a steering lock to wallop Unker Looi already icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 19 2015, 01:28 PM)
what if, I buy 1 mooncake at RM 10, I cut into 10 slides and sell at RM2 each...
if during GOOD mkt, I cut 11 pieces, sell at RM 2.10 each....
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Oh like that ar?

Hello Mr Officer from Securities Commission wave.gif

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QUOTE(gfish213 @ Jan 19 2015, 02:26 PM)
do you guy know any web site or program for pc that we can keep track the fund price?
it is very difficult to keep track many funds in one time.

I know FSM got android app, but i am using windows phone.
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Bloomberg
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jan 19 2015, 02:18 PM)
Pattern King  biggrin.gif  tongue.gif
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Apa pattern? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jan 19 2015, 02:46 PM)
unker looi said u got creative way to explain tongue.gif
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It's all shits and chickens tongue.gif
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 19 2015, 02:54 PM)
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And don't ever use NAV to decide whether to buy more/top up, because NAV is HISTORICAL.

NAV at all-time high =/= "expensive"
NAV low =/= "cheap"

See FAQ No. 3 on Post #1

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 19 2015, 09:15 PM)
EM funds will get "corrected" with Russian downgrade by Moody's and China market plunged > 7% today.
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Russia impact won't be big, as at Nov-14 fact sheet, Eastspring GEM only has 2.4% in Russia.

Only thing is...got ripple effect or not? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 19 2015, 09:25 PM)
China more like knee jerk effect, once in a while scandal shock sendiri.

Russia more or less in line with expectation, uncle Sam still putting russia in cold storage.

Better invest in India...
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Like I've said earlier, today's plunge in China is only a tiny blip compared to its past 3, 6 and 12-month Ponzi-like performance
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 19 2015, 11:58 PM)
UT are designed so that normal people can participate in equity returns without the technical hassle, so that normal people can do normal stuff.

The way you guys go abt UTC is like those religious zealots!

Salute!

Xuzen
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When (stubborn) ppl are stuck with misconceptions which cloud their judgements, what to do? doh.gif
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I no eye see already... sleep.gif
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Bad forecast is good for market

Stimulus, QE, print money! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 20 2015, 01:34 PM)
Yes he said.

Even though funds have similar mandate and region. Strategy and stock selection could be differ. Even same strategy employed, stock selection could also different.

That is his point of view on risk diversification using different fund houses.
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Hwang Asia Quantum Ponzi 1.0 + Eastspring Small Cap
CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income Ponzi 2.0 + AmAsia Pac Equity Income
Eastspring GEM + TA BRIC and EM
Aberdeen Islamic World + CIMB Global Titanic

Apa lagi? Ini macam sudah ada 8 funds biggrin.gif

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