I did open a threat to sell my MSI mobo, this guy pm and told me that he need the mobo urgent. ok, just have a talk with him. check the screenshoot up there, see the way he talks, totally like a noob and rude. alwys done with 50% 50%? need a copy of IC? 1st time i heard about this...

anyway, i dont mind it and just deal with him.

1. he asked me to check my balance at 8am.
but, this morning i prepared everything and before that just went to RHB bank to check my acc balance and the result is no transaction.

2. after i reached office, i sms him.
he replied, using epyament need to wait for 1 day. wtf? what the point he ask me to check my balance at 8am last night? and i bring the parcel to office, wasting my time and energy. and he claims he did finished his part, now is my part to send the mobo. wtf man, why i need to believe him? now is that guy cant make the transaction done before 8am and then force me to send to item first before i get the payment?

3. i just sms and tell him give me his bank account number, i'll cancel the deal and full refund to him after i get it. because i cant tolerance anymore, due to his lcly.
but, he just ignore me and just now sms me said he'll go to report me here and police station...

never met this kind of barbarian before that.

what to do?

This post has been edited by SkyDriver: Sep 23 2006, 06:50 PM

if he already bank in.. ask him to scan the statment of banking here.. if true than.. u can send the item.. if not, just ignore...

the problem is he said he's using e-payment, need to wait for 1 day for me to receive the money. but, he wants me to send it before get the payment really impossible, since he's a newbie.

why i wish to cancel the deal? just because his attitude. never respecting each other and talk like 'ordering' me.

and, my mobo just use for 2-3weeks, which i bought at rm185, selling rm120 + 5 postage (surely more than rm5 for poslaju).
what a benefit for him, but then he act like that...

Even if he conducted e-payment, he should have an electronic generated receipt which he could have screenshot and send to you, unless he was too ignorant to have thought it useless. IMHO if he can't provide a transaction record, wait for the money to show before sending anything out.

he sent me nothing to show he did, but just sms told me that (after i get no payment and then sms to ask him this morning)

i did told him, i need to get the payment before send it out.
now? i haven get it but he claims my fault for not sending out by today and going to police station to report me.

let me ask 1 question,
Will you guy send out the mobo first? in this case





This post has been edited by SkyDriver: Sep 23 2006, 07:40 PM

lol
report ma report.. if police come find u, u tell them u havent receive money, how to send?

i'm never worry about this.

just view the thread, he's trying to spoil my sale and the important is trying to pull me into lyn black list i mean vilify.

This post has been edited by SkyDriver: Sep 23 2006, 07:50 PM

well, just let the forumers judge the situation. if u are clean, u got nothing to worry about. better play safe than sorry later. sometimes had to beware those newbies. who knows. there are actually con-man.

don't worry. and please, don't even think of sending out the goods unless you received 100% payment.

Firstly, i think you need to look at the 3 pictures that i've attached one is to prove that maybank REQUIRES ONE WORKING DAY TO TRANSFER THE FUNDS so what have you got to say? Can't blame your LIMITED checking ability for NOT KNOWING THIS and for YOU WORKING IN THE BANKING INDUSTRY AND not knowing this is a JOKE

Second, MY SECOND ATTACHMENT SHOWS that the money as been credited to HIS ACCOUNT NUMBER under the name LIM SOON LEE with the ACCOUNT NUMBER 10715800092151 FOR RHB BANK; isn't that so? i've GOT PROOF that the money is in so why is the item not SENT? YOUR INABILITY TO CHECK IS NOT MY PROBLEM so please reverse your name calling back to yourself BARBARIAN as i recalled it.

Thirdly, If anyone of you have read the MSN conversation, i've spoken with my uptmost TACT whereby i was the one actually insulted by him. AS A BUYER you OBVIOUSLY want to protect yourself from a fraud thats why i've always asked credentials for my dealings and i do not exclude this one also. Furthermore with the difference in wherebouts whereby the seller is in PENANG i'd rather take MORE PRECAUTIONS which is what smart buyers will do. ANyway my point is, the seller was unwilling to provide that in the first place thats why i was skeptical.

Next, DUE TO THE SELLERS INCOMPETENTCY IN CHECKING he wants to refund me my money which i'VE PAID IN FULL FAIR AND SQUARE purchasing the MOBO @ RM125 which we AGREED upon. Well some sellers might have gotten a higher after he has SOLD the item and therefore he comes up with DRAMAS LIKE THIS to regain a better pricing. This is what i assume from the whole situation here.

LASTLY, i would say that the seller is RUDE by saying :QUOTES SELLER " YOU ARE WASTING MY TIME AND ENERGY BY BRINGING THE ITEM TO HIS OFFICE" . "read here, barbarian... your're most lcly ppl i ever see" are among the things said to me on SMS and on the thread.

I DEMAND THAT THE SELLER SENDS THE ITEM AS PROMISED WITHOUT FURTHER DELAYING BECAUSE I HAVE PROVIDED ENOUGH EVIDANCE THAT THE PAYMENT HAS BEEN MADE BUT IT'S DUE TO THE SELLERS INCOMPETENTCY AND RUDENESS THAT THE SITUATION HAS CAME UP. SO i guess the REAL BARBARIAN has always been scolding it's own reflection

i rest my case.

This post has been edited by urbancrawler: Sep 23 2006, 10:11 PM


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and the complain is made juz becoz a probability of 1 day delay?
wtf man
patience my friend

*seller also need time to make sure he did recieve the amount in his/her account

This post has been edited by e-jump: Sep 23 2006, 10:06 PM

geez, if i'm the seller i'll wait until i CONFIRM i'd received the payment from you, then only i'll move my arse to the post office to post it to you. Heck i won't buy your attachments coz they can be easily photoshopped. Sorry if i'd offended you, and i never question the genuinity of your attachments. Why can't you just wait for the seller to confirm your payment?

And have you ever deposit a cheque before? I bet you're the one shouting on the mobile at your seller once you throw your cheque into the cheque deposit machine. "Damn you! I deposit the cheque d and i want my stuff!"

NO, you see the point is that the seller is supposed to send the item today but due to HIS MISTAKE that i didn't get it. and BTW HE OPENED THIS THREAD.

Nice one dude, you've got one hell of an imagination. Photoshop for a RM125 item, i'd rather pay. Do think about it LOL

probably u were threatening to report him?

he has the right to assure he receive the money, n the deliver the goods after that

Yeah, i am sure you being in the buyers shoes you would be ANXIOUS cuz your item is NOT being HONOURED UPON THE DEAL. i'm more concerned that he is trying to delay the whole thing and not admitting his mistake.

Interbank trnasfer needs around 2-3days, (from my experience).
buyer just send the item when you received your money and not before that.

both buyer and seller are protecting themselves.

buyer is too demanding asking the seller to send immediately.

seller is too quick to judge, therefore appears this thread.

so there - buyer, please be patient. seller, go fulfil your part of the bargain now.

simple to settle. if you guys still want to debate and all i really donno what you guys want already. perhaps both side can apologize for their part of being ridiculous at times.

Yup i agree. the money HAS ALREADY BEEN TRANSFERED anything to add to that chastise?

Yep. but has the seller received it?

Thanks Goldfries i will take note. But the name calling is totally UNACCEPTABLE to me. Don't you think so?

True. But seller can only send items out when they RECEIVED the payment.
So both of you be patient ok?

1. Did you show me the screenshoot last night? Even you did, i will not send it by today as well, because I'M NOT GET THE MONEY YET!!! you are protecting yourself and i should take the risk?

2. I said, i'll only send it after get the payment. Untill this sec i didnt get even 1cent from you.

3. Since you're going to use e-transfer/e-banking why not just tell me earlier but asking me to check my account balance at 8am? you should know i'll get no result.

4. I said, "you're wasting my time" because i need to go to the RHB bank to check my account balance and there's no trasaction for my account. in this case i have to bring the parcel to my office and bring it back home again. Why not just inform me you're not using deposit machine or any other method i can get the money in this morning?

5. i called you as 'barbarian' because the way you talk is totally no respecting me(why not just talk properlly? cant? sound like your time is very value and i'm wasting your time?). i'm not begging you to buy the mobo from me, maybe you should behave and dont acting 'big boss' odering me like your employee. 1st time got forumer telling me that 50% payment is lyn rule, claims you had done alot with that way? asking for a copy of I/C? and said "next time dont make the things complicated". but actually you're the person who make it complicated.


anyway, i'm not going to deal with you anymore, because i dont need your lcly money. just give me your banking details i'll fully refund to you. (at the same day i get the payment from you)

yes - no matter what transpired exactly between both of you, even if aggravated situation, name calling should be avoided.


there were miscommunication i guess, but name calling is not necessary as it aggravates the situation.

since he claimed already banked in, it would be proper for you to check (and keep checking cos it might take a while) and deliver when confirm received.

whether he LCLY, a deal is a deal IMO.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Sep 23 2006, 10:36 PM

Well to my concern, I HAVE MADE THE PAYMENT with proof in the statement on my first post. Whatelse can i do if the payment has been made on MY SIDE and on HIS SIDE he "REFUSE" to see the transaction? and IF attachment from me dosen't say anything, i don't know what will prove it LOL

It is stated there. TRANSFER SUCESSFULL

my mistake?

i just check my account, and sorry. dont get your money yet.

that's your problem to delay it. because you cant make sure i get the money by today!

I SAID I'M NOT YET GET THE MONEY YET!

who care whatever is successfull or unsuccessfull showing there?

ok guys please chill.

yes ok fine you didn't get your money yet. so let's just wait ok?

btw what's the purpose of this complain thread? heck i don't even see the purpose of this thread cos it looks like you started this thread to complain about someone - not so much of the deal.

now like i said,

buyer - be patient
seller - be patient, check for money coming in.

come back here after a day or 2 perhaps cos the way you guys are going about it's really ridiculous.

you know what he sms me?

"Okay the prepare to see your name on the trade zone dispute corner. i've already ask you to send but you refuse. i will also make a police report if i don't see the item tracking number"

WTF he did? threatening me?

anyway... thx guys, for posting yours opinion here.

aihh like i said - both of you are being impatient.

looks like both of you have a bad start. how about reset all and come back here a fresh.

btw i don't believe in sending anything without full payment received.

Interbank transfer sometimes take around 2-3days (my experience, too).

i guess everyone just take a step back & chill. dont get too emotional over nothing. next time, we go penang & yamcha together, k? i want a side order of asam laksa too

this's what he posted in my thread.
slandering?

that's why i need to explain the situation here...

yup. 1 side updated doesn't mean the other side updated. patience all........patiences......

i'm tired... back to my anime. bye guys, ty.

PS : urbancrawler dont forget to give me your banking details.

urbancrawler, it has not been transferred really. The amount has be debited from ur account but is awaiting processing before it is credited to SkyDriver. Hence, your payment to SkyDriver is only half complete.

sad but true. this might be what seller have in mind, though IMO a deal is meant to be honored.

Just wondering what is the seller mistake since the money is not in his acc. yet.
with the few paper you provided to prove the banking? lolz....


what is the buyer thinkg? Angry because of 1-2 day delay?


*will only send it out once received the money.

hmmm mr urbancrawler do you know that interbank transfer sometimes required 2-3 days for clearance? like what another forumer said earlier lah...

happened to me before, transferring money from bank islam to public bank and took 3 days for clearance.

i dont undersatnd why you just cant accept/listen to seller's explanation that he didnt receive your money yet. just wait for another day or two lah. you think the minute you click OK or the CONFIRM button for the transaction the money immediately goes into SkyDriver account?

* little advice to mr SkyDriver a.k.a seller, think you better just refund back to him after you received his money. if like this tak syok lah dealing... well no offence to both sides just my suggestion only.

LOL if everydealings was about "syok or not syok" then LYN will have alot more fraud dealings ha ha

1. Did you show me the screenshoot last night? Even you did, i will not send it by today as well, because I'M NOT GET THE MONEY YET!!! you are protecting yourself and i should take the risk?
Well did you intend to ask me about the screen shot? Answer = No.

2. I said, i'll only send it after get the payment. Untill this sec i didnt get even 1cent from you.

3. Since you're going to use e-transfer/e-banking why not just tell me earlier but asking me to check my account balance at 8am? you should know i'll get no result. DID you think of asking? and you didn't state HOW I SHOULD PAY YOU RIGHT? i've told you ive already transfered the money whatelse can/could i do?

4. I said, "you're wasting my time" because i need to go to the RHB bank to check my account balance and there's no trasaction for my account. in this case i have to bring the parcel to my office and bring it back home again. Why not just inform me you're not using deposit machine or any other method i can get the money in this morning? AS i said you didn't ASK it's very simple.QUOTES SKYDRIVER in his point below "i called you as 'barbarian' because the way you talk is totally no respecting me(why not just talk properlly? cant? sound like your time is very value and i'm wasting your time?" All of this points came from you yourself and it is as real as you made it out to be.

5. i called you as 'barbarian' because the way you talk is totally no respecting me(why not just talk properlly? cant? sound like your time is very value and i'm wasting your time?). i'm not begging you to buy the mobo from me, maybe you should behave and dont acting 'big boss' odering me like your employee. 1st time got forumer telling me that 50% payment is lyn rule, claims you had done alot with that way? asking for a copy of I/C? and said "next time dont make the things complicated". but actually you're the person who make it complicated.
WHICH PART WAS I ORDERING YOU AROUND or did you just PRECIEVED IT THAT WAY your OWNSELF? DEALings are SUBJECTIVE AND It IS up for discussion between a seller and a buyer. i've done dealings whereby i've recieved the items even before i paid and i paid up right after that. The seller is by the nick of "SUPERAMD" so how does that work? you could have done a better explanation rather than belittle-ing me of how many post i've got which i think is totally out of the topic when we are discussing the terms and conditions. I think it's normal to ask details of the sellers IC especially if it's the FIRST time you are dealing with the person. It gives an assurance that you are serious and sincere about your dealings and you are confident about the product you are selling


anyway, i'm not going to deal with you anymore, because i dont need your lcly money. just give me your banking details i'll fully refund to you. (at the same day i get the payment from you)
I EXPECT YOU TO HONOUR YOUR PROMISE AND DEALS because by law, it's a verbal Binding contract as the money has already been paid

This post has been edited by urbancrawler: Sep 24 2006, 02:45 AM

Just wondering what is the seller mistake since the money is not in his acc. yet.
with the few paper you provided to prove the banking? lolz....
what is the buyer thinkg? Angry because of 1-2 day delay?
*will only send it out once received the money.


Well i wasn't the one that opened this thread remember? LOL

if you want the business to be due, lets just say admit your mistake and apology for causing any misunderstanding. otherwise i think no one will blame the seller for not selling things to you. it's from 3rd party point of view after all.

now now, u r being so unreasonable.. if u didnt said, me myself will think that u r using same bank as he is.. n it is a common sense to let the money in then only send out the item
what with 'u didnt ask' thingy?
n u asked, what else can u do? wait lo.. wait till the money in, then it is up to seller whether he want return back to u or send the item.. chances are he will return the money to u.. i will do that if i were him
oh ya, in the msn chatlog, not only him think u r lcly, i think most of us did

oh ya, in the chat log, seller did said will send if got (the got refer to money since u ask him to check next day 8am)
common sense enough, diffrent bank transfer need few days.. it is ur fault anyway if u need that mobo urgently coz u should withdraw money n bank in straight to seller's bank via deposit machine or counter.. next time be smart, smarty
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This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Sep 24 2006, 03:02 AM

now now, u r being so unreasonable.. if u didnt said, me myself will think that u r using same bank as he is.. n it is a common sense to let the money in then only send out the item
what with 'u didnt ask' thingy?
n u asked, what else can u do? wait lo.. wait till the money in, then it is up to seller whether he want return back to u or send the item.. chances are he will return the money to u.. i will do that if i were him
oh ya, in the msn chatlog, not only him think u r lcly, i think most of us did

oh ya, in the chat log, seller did said will send if got (the got refer to money since u ask him to check next day 8am)
common sense enough, diffrent bank transfer need few days.. it is ur fault anyway if u need that mobo urgently coz u should withdraw money n bank in straight to seller's bank via deposit machine or counter.. next time be smart, smarty
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well Mr i did tell him i am banking from maybank so i think you've got it wrong, Smarty. and btw YOU thinking that i am lcly does not subject to "i think most of us did" cuz you are only one person unless you think you are bigger then LYN LOL smarty again
Lastly i didn't think i made a mistake because honestly i did my part of the deal fair and square but rather the seller just didn't make clear the details. -THE END-

This post has been edited by urbancrawler: Sep 24 2006, 03:28 AM

well, we just wasting our time to 'teach' this newbie for lyn. he knows ntg about the 'dealing method' here. but, still acting pro!

what he knows is, he did his part. yes, but did it badly (unfinished part then how i continue it?)

and i did told him that i dont have maybank account, but he never told me he'll use the maybank e-banking to trasnfer the money to my RHB account, thought the msn history shown that? dont simply create your own story.

@imperialrealcs
you missed some part which is more lcly from him due to my msn error not saving down the history. maybe he don't know that e-banking rules / deposit machine method. what a newbie talk from him. ty for comment anyway

This post has been edited by SkyDriver: Sep 24 2006, 03:58 AM

but you're the person who threatening me, said that you're going to report and open a thread here.

This post has been edited by SkyDriver: Sep 24 2006, 04:02 AM

1. Well did you intend to ask me about the screen shot? Answer = No.

reply : need the mobo urgent? since you're so pro at here (as what you said only, but i dont think so), you should know there's another better way(faster), "deposit machine". misleading by the way your talk, thought know everything here and no need to remind you. (later you'll act lcly ask me dont talk so much) 1 more thing, i did remind you to inform me after the transaction done, but did you inform me? if you not acting lcly but telling me you'll use the maybank e-banking then i'll let you know by this way, i'll never get money before 8/9am. ask if you dont know.

2. DID you think of asking? and you didn't state HOW I SHOULD PAY YOU RIGHT? i've told you ive already transfered the money whatelse can/could i do?

reply : ok, pro guy. i dont care which method you use as long as i can get the money at 9am. but you failed! fake-pro! huh? dont know e-banking need some time to produce? next time just ask if dont know! but dont ask ppl go to check acc balance!


3. WHICH PART WAS I ORDERING YOU AROUND or did you just PRECIEVED IT THAT WAY your OWNSELF? DEALings are SUBJECTIVE AND It IS up for discussion between a seller and a buyer. i've done dealings whereby i've recieved the items even before i paid and i paid up right after that. The seller is by the nick of "SUPERAMD" so how does that work? you could have done a better explanation rather than belittle-ing me of how many post i've got which i think is totally out of the topic when we are discussing the terms and conditions. I think it's normal to ask details of the sellers IC especially if it's the FIRST time you are dealing with the person. It gives an assurance that you are serious and sincere about your dealings and you are confident about the product you are selling. I EXPECT YOU TO HONOUR YOUR PROMISE AND DEALS because by law, it's a verbal Binding contract as the money has already been paid

reply : i'm also a buyer here, but never talk like you. 1st, never asking for a copy of I/C. fool! ppl who reading might think that this guy is really funny. lol
you paid and i haven get it. what the point? you just need to make sure i get the payment, then i'll send it out. just that simply theory cant you understand it? ok, i repeat. JUST MAKE SURE MY ACCOUNT 'APPEARRED' YOUR MONEY THEN I'LL SEND IT. should i repeat it again and again? no, cuz i think you wont get the meaning. all you know is " I DID MY PART, I PAID! AND YOU MUST SEND IT!" LMAO yea, you paid and dont care ppl get the money or not yet.

This post has been edited by SkyDriver: Sep 24 2006, 04:54 AM

@urbancrawler,
the much you talk just will show ppl here how noob you're being. Save your energy and time, go to buy the mobo from a local shop and then pay them with cheque. See they'll give you the mobo first or not. If they aint accept it, then just ask them i did paid why dont you give it to me now? and if they dont want do business with you then go ahead to report them. nice 1

The deal has been cancelled! whatever you say i'll not deal with you anymore! kindly give me your banking details.



QUOTE(Pierce & Tatoo @ Sep 23 2006, 11:17 PM)
anyway i thing the due is off. the seller gonna refund back the money to the buyer.
if you got some buyer who is so unreasonable, better find another one who is more patient and polite. who knows after the product reach the buyer hand and he is not satisfy with what he got, another fuss gonna happen. it's will be more complicated to solve later on.

reply : yes, thats what i'm thinking. tired to deal with this kind of newbie buyer. that's why i decided to cancel the deal and promised to make full refund to him.

This post has been edited by SkyDriver: Sep 24 2006, 04:44 AM

I think everything is clear now, and i get what i want here (to explain everything to all of you here and remind you guy to beware this guy).

no more quarrel but provide banking details. i'll make sure you get the refund at the same day.

This post has been edited by SkyDriver: Sep 24 2006, 06:16 AM

that's why he used the word "THINK". he did not say he's sure about it either.

anyway i've highlighted the parts of the conversation which i think you're being LCLY.

perhaps you don't realize. quite hypocritical i would say, you are protecting yourself but don't you realize seller is protecting himself when he's scrutinizing your credentials?

yes, you did your part. but it wasn't appropriate to be pushy on this, knowing that the seller is also protecting himself by waiting for the $$$$ to be confirmed in his account before sending.


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come one lah common sense you yourself cant really understand how interbank transfer works and also just looked at how harsh the way you worked things out here sure everyone also tak syok.

tak syok = boh song

what is syok or tak syok got to do with more fraud dealings in LYN?

IMHO, yesterday was a holiday and no bank transactions will go through until Monday. Since it's online banking, I guess you have to wait 2-3 WORKING days. So why not we wait till wednesday and see if there's anything deposited into the account.

I remember i did a deal using RHB bank before, im using maybank and the seller only has RHB acc. At first i wanted to use e-banking but after reading the rules i notice it said it will take 2-3 days to transfer the money and transfer they'll charge u extra money.
Being a 'kiam siap' guy my self i choose not to use ebanking and went to the nearest RHB and deposit the money to the sellers bank acc and send him a copy of the bank slip.

If u need the item urgently y not u juz use bank slip to deposit the money. Since u know its gonna take a few days b4 the money is clear.

Dude, it's common sense to send over a screenie jez in case of anything. I mean, even if the seller didn't ask for it it's curtious jez to send 1 over to make his life easier.



Did he think of asking?? Nono.. of coz not.. Why in the world would he?? U asked him to check his balance at 8am!!!


Dude, When doing trades friendliness is the key, Better to have more frens than enemies right?
So u should have gone with friendliness and not that bad an attitude. Humbleness my fren.... Guess this should be a lesson learnt..

But all in all, a trade agreed is a trade done.
I think skydriver should honor the agreement and sell him the item agreed upon. As u would be considered ffk if u don't sell him. No matter how bad he is or sounds, when u get the money u will have to send the item to him since u have already agreed upon it. That is unless the buyer himself wants it cancelled...

either way, this is an issue blown out of proportion. perhaps both parties should be more patient next time.

but at the end of the day, i'd say a deal is a deal and you should honour it. just complete the deal and be done. don't add anymore oil to the already burning fire.

1. Ok skydriver, so do you know that e-banking itself is going to take some days to process as per mentioned by everyone? (I'll assume you do anyway, since you're here braggin about how shitty his e-banking skills are and calling him a n00b. Whatever.)

2. If so, did you do your part as a TRUSTING seller to inform urbancrawler about this? If you did not, then i think it's really all about you now.

3. IMO the way how LYN deals with their online transactions doesn't necessarily mean you have to follow it, do you?

IMO you fitted quite well in the 4 categories of LYN's Trading GUIDELINES, NOT RULES.

And,



He's using MayBank, so why did you not take advantage of this service? You can tell straight away if he's conning you, no?

If you cant trade by trust, why bother trading then? If you're THAT paranoid, why even bother posting this shitstuff, unless really, you're trying to rip him off.

1. Ok skydriver, so do you know that e-banking itself is going to take some days to process as per mentioned by everyone? (I'll assume you do anyway, since you're here braggin about how shitty his e-banking skills are and calling him a n00b. Whatever.)

reply : why not? not the 1st time using e-banking. just that guy dont know about this and come threatening me (report and post a thread here)
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2. If so, did you do your part as a TRUSTING seller to inform urbancrawler about this? If you did not, then i think it's really all about you now.

reply : read the msn conversation history yet? everytime i talk half he already break my word, sound like i'm talking rubbish and wasting his time. if someone said like that will you keep remind he/she? and he didnt even tell me which method he's going to use. i think you better read properlly to understand what's going wrong now.
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3. IMO the way how LYN deals with their online transactions doesn't necessarily mean you have to follow it, do you?

reply : i just follow my way. that's get the money and send the good. OK? but that guy simply create own way and said that is what lyn forumer doing. (paid 50% and 50% after get etc)
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4. Both of you have pretty low posts IMO, and what if yours is like hundreds of posts? Just spam anywhere also you can get that amount la... swt kao

reply : check my successful trade list, althought that's pretty less. but, so far dont have any problem. 1 more thing, i'm here to buy and sell. not spamming. everything just you 'think' only.
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5. From my perspective, it's either you're worrying too much, or you just want to cheat away the full payable amount ... So, what are you?

reply : cheat? use your brain dude. that's just rm125. stop bullshxt here. did you display your photo / msn / hp / any link...? i did, because i'm here not to con or cheat. i'm not worry ppl to know who m i. 1 more, if i was planned to cheat the little money will i come back and make a post here? worrying too much? if you're selling something and i said i did transfer the money by e-banking, then you'll straight away send the item to me 1st? if ya, then i have to call u 'stupid'
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6. AFAIK, both of you are NOT TAGGED AS SAFE TRADERS... So why bother trading if there are just too many of this mumbo-jumbo...

reply : did you? dont even showing your successful trade list here.
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7. So, 50-50 deposit-full payment ratio is NOT a good way to prove he's a serious buyer eh?

reply : this is for bulk? after bulk closed, buyer still need to pay full amount before the good been sent out. i think you're also a noob here. hmmmm
let's say, a newbie buying something from you. and he willing to pay rm50 as deposit. will you send it to he/she 1st before get full payment? will you?

This post has been edited by SkyDriver: Sep 25 2006, 12:58 AM

FFK? this's just to prevent buyer do not satisfy the mobo (from his attitude, i believe he could) even i'm sure the mobo is 99% like a new 1. because its just temp use(2-3weeks) while waiting for my old mobo come back from RMA.

do you wish to see this? i rather keep my mobo or sell it to another guy with lower price.

erm, SkyDriver i think by 2mro or Tuesday morning, the transfer will be reflected in your account. just send the mobo on that day. i believe u when u said it is in "like new" condition. i also believe urbancrawler won't purposely find fault with a good working mobo.

ok, good luck to both parties.

LOOk, just send the mobo when you recieved the money. i'm tired of your Nonsensical insult. i guess what you said reflects who you really are calling ppl noob here and there.

yawn i've really got nothing to say bout this situation. will just wait to prove that i am right which means i really did bank in the money.

the way i see it, you were being an ass intentionally in the beginning. skydiver's pissed off attitude was only a response to your own anal tendencies in the first place.

tell me, do u have experience in online trading?
not giving a screenshot of payment as proof even seller didnt ask (its a common sense) n demanding the item even the payment aint 100% cleared really reflect u are.

nuff said

1. you are so proud calling ppl and blaim ppl this and that but you still dont understand how interbank transfer works.

2. how many times we all here have to explain to you lah. you did bank in the money BUT the money still not yet transfer into seller's acocunt lah! you only expect... will just wait and prove you already make payment but you cant accept seller's situation. you should also wait and let seller prove he RECEIVED your big rm125!

u guys are wasting LYN's bandwith...settle it like a man...seller and buyer should contact each other by telephone n settle things..u get nothing settled by bickering in this forum..pick up ur phone n call him...haih...wat i can say ,u guys need to learn to b patient...hav a nice day

buyer are super impatient

look now
u pay the money - buyer's part done
seller receive the money - seller's part haven't, so u gotta wait till his got his money la... futuremore this part is out of his control

if u wan to protect urself, pls think vise versa, seller oso need 2 protect himself too. please be more considerable thinking

cukup. enough. 够了. ngingihankikon.

don't post on this thread anymore (don't make me close it) - now we wait for buyer / seller to update.

This thread is interesting because it creates a question for ponder.

I am sorry if it goes out of topic or if mod think I should create another thread for discussion.

This case is a good example.

Buyer paid seller through banking online and seller will only send items after receiving money. But most of the time...buyer will push seller to send first. I have come across this case myself and I am seller. I took the chances and went ahead with sending the item with only proof from screenshots. I won't do this anymore but in this case, buyer is clearly very pushy person.

I can understand seller's dilemma here. If I am him, I would cancel the deal as well. But the problem is, seller already bank-in the money. What do you guys think if seller want to cancel the deal and refund buyer his money? Unethical? Perfectly fine?

as i said earlier, i find the deal should be honored regardless of what has transpired. choose between honor and potential trouble.

ive had an experience also whereby my inter bank transfer took around 3 days.
i just waited patiently for the seller to receive the money,then he sms me to inform that he got it and is sending the item.

there has got to be mutual trust ppl!
no point tat both parties are unhappy to trade in this forum.
lyn is supposed to be a "online community".

Like you said, honor or potential problems...you already can see that there will be potential problems from this buyer. It's just not worth the time dealing with such buyer and the deal already turned sour. If seller choose to refund buyer, could he be listed in minor offence list?

urbancrawler, no one said u didnt bank in the bank in the money but SkyDriver still has to wait confirmation on his end when the amount has been credit. This not something new in here. We all wait for the money to be credited, there maybe problems with the bank's server or a corruption of their files that the money transferred was not processed.

Real question is now will SkyDriver send u the money back or will he send u the motherboard.

Well, thanks again for sharing yours opinion(s) here.
Appreciate that.

1st, i have to apology for my words which is kinda 'rude' or 'impatient'. i used to talk softly even he/she is being arrogant, lcly. (pls refer to the screen shoot of msn conversation #1st post).
But then, why i lost control? i believe very less ppl able to stay cool after received a sms sound, he/she is going to report and complaining under his own mistaken.
Before creating this thread, i already told him i'll refund the full amount since i dont wish to continue the deal. reason? stop messing with him, make my future life become easier. then? he started to get mad there and pissed me off...

Anyway, i decided to cancel the deal. i'm here for happy trading but not spamming or hanging around or like what ppl said, trying to con around.

i dont care to get myself into the offence list from cancelling the deal. maybe i should say, i rather keep the mobo at home (and black listed) but not messing with that guy anymore. really tired when dealing with this kind of person.

Do you guys wish to see the buyer creating another thread in future which complaining about, bought a faulty mobo from skydriver? not mean i dont have confident on my item, just to prevent 'own fault' causing the mobo not functionable and come back to blame me. (i'm really suspect his knowledge about DIY, sorry for having this in my mind)

-canel the deal and the story end-

so u decided to refund the money?.. thats good.. at least both parties should be happy..

Well that's that then. urbancrawler confirm in this thread that u have received ur refund. Not u open a thread 3 or 4 days later saying SkyDriver didnt refund u.

make sure u refund via e-banking n ask urbancrawler to check 8am the next day hehehe

if possible try intrabank instead of interbank that will cost u few days.
make use of the cash deposit machine

okay then since you've decided. Do refund my money. and i will mark your words are you ffked the deal so therefore i guess it's a blacklist case?
i will pm my account number. today will be the 3rd working day and i expect the money to be in the account. pls check

transaction done.

banking info pls...

lol
lets all hug and hold hands, dont fight.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=346010

the seller confirmed the transaction done...

i dont think this is ffk/blaclist case... just some misunderstanding lead to -> hyper tension lead to -> arrogance case.. nothing really serious i think..

Good lord what is wrong with you? Can't you wait 'till he gets the money first?

mmm but it's also a done deal whereby the money took time to be transfered due to a 3rd partys' transaction which was really transfered and the money was recieved by the seller. Seller decides to return the money for whatever personal reason. i think it's a deal being ffked

Blinky unfortunately you are about 5 days late for the arguement and it's been settled. Whats wrong with YOU?

This post has been edited by urbancrawler: Sep 28 2006, 06:55 PM

Since everything is settled why not close the thread, threadstarter?

which is really transfered
but another part cant receive the money on time (as you promised to make it), meaningless.
you cant confirm the seller get the money on time that's your 1st fault.
after that threatening for reporting and complaning is 2nd mistaken. (bullshxting ppl already grapped your money but dont want send the item to you)

i think this's your 1st deal at here. that's okay with that, but next time just ask and the important dont act pro and lcly. just being a foolish.

PS : banking info have to provide account owner's name, but not only a group of number. hope you get your lession for this case.
and dont forget to remove your stupid post in my thread --> click here

@RangerRed
ok, i'll close this after that guy finish his last job, which is confirm get the refund from me and edit his post in that threat.

This post has been edited by SkyDriver: Sep 28 2006, 08:58 PM

i on the seller side
n me myself gonna black list this buyer
i also doing bulk sales
i really need buyers to trust me on all the transaction
they paid, i received, i sent, they received, happy dealed. simple as ABC
u tot ebanking intra transaction safe n sure reach in 3 days time
nope ur guys definitely wrong
got 1 case, a member transfer from BCB to my maybank, after 1 week, the transaction still haven done, lucky the member trust me enuff n bank in another payment trough deposit machine, i received then i request him to cancel the transaction from BCB there. then the trade run smooth.

so "god damn smart " buyer, dun ever think u see there succeed on ur online banking screen mean u done ur part, let seller comfirm it 1st.
u just really a noob for this LYN online trading...
if u dun trust n dun wanna risk, dun buy anything from here anymore

if u wanna complain seller ffk, mean u continue to make fun n fool of ur self
pls b mature n reasonable, dun cry like a baby dude

Ok i think we can end the posting on hitler's note.

hm......

i'm not siding anybody here, but maybe SkyDriver can volunteer himself into the Minor Offender's List (for 1 mth or 2?) if SkyDriver link his signature to this dispute thread, i believe majority of future/potential buyers can judge for themselves what really happened

This post has been edited by acougan: Sep 28 2006, 09:50 PM

and you read this 1st...

SkyDriver, report urbancrawler's post in ur sale's thread by clicking the report button of the post.

first this topic is already over. you can black list for all i care. lol you think you're the only trader in LYN .. lol get real.
and lastly, the money was in so i think your point and your last experience of "mature and responsible" lol is a joke. so the payment is in and the buyer didn't send out the item means ffk. the rest you think what you want to think. enough said. and good bye

ok end of story. who to blacklist or not, and for how long - it's up to the staff.

thank you. will close this thread to avoid further spamming since it's settled.

any tongue-lashing can be continued via PM.

Guys, especially the parties involved in this dispute, please read the topics in the Resource Centre. They can save you a lot of aggravation.

In particular, this one --> http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=338243

(check out the opening paragraph too!)

After looking at the situation, we decided not to take any actions against the involved party.

Our decision is based upon the fact that, both side each have their short-comings and given that things ended well, just note down the cause of this incident and avoid them in the future by not making the same mistake.