does the mac os x tiger support software like java ,macromedia flash,text pad,this kind of program?

java..you mean java programming, not sure, i do not think so...plug-in surely got...but if you wanna do java programming, you can use boot camp to run windows. flash, yes there is. text pad, there's os x's own version..am sure you can find something better also off the net.

Definately the most honest answer to date!

The Java SDK 1.5 comes standard with the install of the OS. In fact, I do all my J2EE development work on a Powerbook.

Also, Adobe and Macromedia always releases for the mac first, then for windows after that. Text pad, well, there's heaps of other better text editors out there, like BBEdit, SKEdit and so on.

well, there you go...so...i guess you will be leaning more towards a macbook pro now?

does the BBedit or SKEdit has the same features same as text pad?
bcoz my school might hav to use Text pad
or can them convert into text pad format?

sorry for my noobs questions
thanks for replying

On the features, good question. Never used Textpad b4. But well, if its meant to be a programmers' editor, then the features should mainly be the same.

Also, if its a programmer's editor, then well, a text file is a text file lar. Format's all the same, regardless of if u edit the same file using notepad, vim, textpad, komodo, bbedit, u name it.

#5 http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/art...macosxleap.html
the first MAC OS virus was discovered half a year ago.

#6 http://macscan.securemac.com/
Spyware remover for MAC OS - no spyware you say?

i find it's more appropriate to say that it's less susceptible to those problems but they're not without them.

even as a Windows-user i'm not infected by spyware / virus - it's all about the user, not the OS.

as for your points 1 to 11 (other than 5 & 6) - it's hardly any different from a Windows-based laptop.
1. cool design is still there
2. Windows XP is still user-friendly
3. applications - need i say more about this?
4. internet ready too
7. you can also get original Windows OS when you buy a laptop.
8. USB devices are plug and play as well
9 & 10 are stupid reasons, therefore i shall not compare
11. it's cool to be able to switch but in the end you'll be sticking to one unless your switching actually serves a good purpose.

all in all - those 11 reasons are nothing compared to what MacDaNife said -


furthermore, spending a huge sum of moolah just to look cool and impress people is just plain dumb.

before getting a mac - seriously consider what you intend to do with it, and whether do you really need a mac to do it (or does a mac help you do it better) or just a normal notebook with decent specs and half the cost would do the job.

personally - i like MAC because of the GarageBand application, along with that nice keyboard (the one with black & white keys la). other than that - i can't think of anything i can't do on Windows / Linux...........yet............ unless someone introduces me a GarageBand-like application for Windows - then i won't get a mac already.


EDITED : if my purpose is just to surf the net, IM and E-mail - MAC with it's OS would be nice. however being a budget-conscious person i'd rather get the cheapest small note-book i can find minus the OS and install Linux on it.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Sep 26 2006, 11:09 PM

Once u go MAC u never go back!

done!

This post has been edited by E|dan: Sep 26 2006, 11:11 PM

yea, talking about cool design, imho, the sony vaio sz series is really really beautiful and way slimmer and lighter than the mb and mbp. it is so slim yet stills integrates a dvd-rw. one should really go down to the shop and play with it. actually what you all said is very very true, goldfries, andriel, macdanife. if you go thru the mb/mbp thread, someone asked an opinion on getting a mac, i did state the pros and cons, next thing you know all these fanatics started blasting me childishly, sorry, but the fact is that the mac is not perfect, yet..so is windows and linux. it never suites everyone, some may like it while some may feel it could have been better if they improved certain things. anyhow, i shall state the reason why i chose a mac and still use windows.

1. the mac os is very nice and user friendly, i know xp too is kinda the same, but i wanted something different after all these years.
2. less viruses and spyware, note : less, NOT completely none. i do surf a lot of sites and download lotsa stuff and share lots of files and materials. honestly i am sick of getting infected by viruses. to date, i have had to reformat my windows thrice since 2003 due to virus attacks.
3. productivity suites e.g. iwork can produce beautiful eye-catching materials.
4. other than that i can't think of anything else...basically i can do everything in a mac in a windows, maybe even more.
5. also, i was taken back by the beautiful looking graphics in os x.
6. i wanted to be different than most people.

anyhow, when i got my mac, i did encounter some major crashes till the whole system stopped working, i had to press the power button sooo long, even ending the process in activity monitor did not stop it. also, it did take me some time to get used to the OS and i do hate the fact that it STILL does have very minor allignment problems in office documents when viewed in windows pc's. do take note that majority of the world still uses PC and you can't just shun them as you will need to share materials with them. what if you have to do a presentation somewhere else in a pc, or distribute files to corporate clients who still are on windows? also, the interface in office was rather old, equivalent to office 97 in windows. some graphics turned out distorted when inserted in word when you do not find the same problem in windows. also, when you copy something off the net and paste it in excel, the formatting never follows like in windows. anyway, i hope these problems get settled in the next version of office.

anyhows, like eldan says, once you got a mac, you will never look back, why...you may ask when i did post some frustrating moments i faced : it is so nice, simple, easy and fun to use. there is just something in it that is so attractive. also, now with boot camp i shall not hesitate to get another mac as i can run windows natively.

to the thread starter, my vote goes to the mbp, reason : you get the best of both worlds, the mbp does have good specs. however, i do recommend that you wait a little while and get it with leopard, so that you do not need to purchase a new os again next 2-3 months time which will easily cost you rm500. also, who knows they might release a core 2 duo version...

cheers..no offence to some...

yes i did

and it was the same with linux

i guess when eveyrone's using windows, and u have mmeorised all windows keyboard shortcuts by heart, and your native specialised, customised software only runs in windows environment, why d u need a mac?

btw, mac, windows, linux, whatever. it serves its own purpose. like some has said, spending obscene amount of money just trying to look cool is stupid.

as for the threadstarter, pls refrain from using the word ULTRAPORTABLE. ultraportie means: a ULV Pentium + NAND flash drive - no hdd / fdd / cf / dvd drive + 10" XGA screen with 70% of its mass as battery : all this will operate at least 15 hrs. that's what ultraportable really is

Call it dumb if you want to, but from experience, a Mac is very useful for attracting attention. From a business perspective, this can be important indeed. There's quite a number of cases where during a presentation, I've already gotten the attention of everybody in the room by just taking out my Powerbook.

Thus, big deal if a Powerbook costs maybe 3-4 or even 5k more than other machines. If it helps grab attention to my presentation that can help secure a contract, then the price difference is just chicken feet.

Dumb or not, there IS business value in even such a trivial thing.

that i have experienced many times, i believe many mac users too have experienced it.

fyire,

my statement was targetting at people who just feel-good to impress, but with no purpose........... other than to feel good and get some praise (which look like what points 9 and 10 are implying) - that to me is plain stupid.

but the way you put it was different from what he (the person i quoted) put it. and there's no doubt about what you said - i whole-heartedly agree if you put it that way as that to me is to impress with a purpose.

all in all you post adds to the fact that the purchase of a mac be based on a (or some) purpose. not just "i want to look good" but "i want to look good so that i can do better".

however when it comes to impression, even a sleekly designed notebook from sony, fujitsu or even that red-ferrari notebook from who-knows-where have an equal (or better, or worse.........depending on the person you meet) chance of leaving an impression. of course i won't deny that generally macs do get attention more easily than others.

EDITED : so sorry la edit so many times. brain not working that well. LOL.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Sep 27 2006, 12:28 AM

MAC got come wif remote soo i can sit at the bed enjoy my music and DVD at Front Row

i no need wake up go to mute my speaker i just press from remote ......

i know Win XP MCE can do the same but in KL u think how much cost u .... to have the same feature .... for me MAC is more to multimedia ...

mac is more easy to used .... but depends some ppl dont like it

this all to ur own opinion all my fren ask me y buy mac u do graphics designing liow .... i also still 10 years ago thinking

This post has been edited by cuoreboy: Sep 29 2006, 12:04 AM

that is for Mac Mini that is.
EDITED : i just realize MBP has a remote control too nice.

i'm eyeing on
1. Mac Mini for Home-Theatre system
2. MacBook (or even older iBook) for my presentations.

i've used quite a number of laptops, eg compaqs, ibms, acers, dells - till date i've never been more impressed by the display of an ibook....... donno if still can get those white guys, i like them.

the reason i'm thinking of a MacBook for presentation sake, being a designer and having to show sample works- showing it on an MacBook would definitely be more designer-like (and yeah, more importantly the screen).

currently presentations are done on a low-end Dell due to budget constraints, during that time of purchase (many months back), the mac was considered but the lack budget took it off the list. Mac would be the upcoming purchase.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Sep 29 2006, 01:35 AM

iMac too has a remote, even the MB and MBP..not sure about Mac Pro

no Apple Remote for Mac Pro.

those over than RM7k got remote.

except for mac pro as said by wei. if i am not mistaken he owns one.