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noname2188
post May 28 2015, 09:18 PM

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I got two offer, both banks also offer 4.4. Which one should I consider:

Bank R:
- Rate: 4.4 (90% inclusive of 10k MLTA)
- No charge for processing fees (print loan letter offer + stamp)
- full flexii

Bank P:
- Rate: 4.4 (90% inclusive of 2k of MRTA)
- more than RM 200 for the processing fees (print loan letter offer + stamp)
- semi-flex

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post May 28 2015, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(ims2628 @ May 28 2015, 09:24 PM)
Sound like second bank is Pbb bank smile.gif hehe.. How about base rate for this two bank?

I assume first is rhb bank? did you mention wrongly 10k mlta? mlta need to pay annually for certain year maybe 20 years ++
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Yeah..means the loan is including 10k of MLTA sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

So which one is better based on your professional view? hehe..

Bank R:
- Rate: 4.4 (90% inclusive of 10k MLTA)
- No charge for processing fees (print loan letter offer + stamp)
- full flexii
- BR is 4

Bank P:
- Rate: 4.4 (90% inclusive of 2k of MRTA)
- more than RM 200 for the processing fees (print loan letter offer + stamp)
- semi-flex
- BR is 3.65

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post May 28 2015, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(ims2628 @ May 28 2015, 09:39 PM)
include 10k mlta which need to pay for how many year? actually mlta is better than mrta, because mlta have cash value can do early statement.
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If I choose Bank P, I also will take up MLTA as additional insurance to cover since the MRTA that included in the loan is just 2k+ nia..
noname2188
post Dec 26 2016, 03:06 AM

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Can any expert provide details regarding:
1. Islamic Vs Conventional loan?
2. What's ABBA?
3. What's the meaning of Contracted Profit Rate (CPR)?

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post Dec 26 2016, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Dec 26 2016, 11:49 AM)
1.
Islamic loan
a. Ceiling interest rate normally 10 - 12%
b. Some banks would not impose lock in period
c. Normally will incur 20% higher legal fees for shariah stamping

Conventional loan
a. No ceiling rate, meaning the interest can go to wherever the bank would like to charge.
b. Normally will come with lock in period unless stated otherwise by the bank's package or special offer on a promotional period.
c. Normal legal fee rates

2. Here's some write up from BNM

FAQ on Bai’ Bithaman Ajil (BBA) Financing

Frequently asked questions about BBA house financing

What is Al Bai’ Bithaman Ajil (BBA) house financing?
THE BBA house financing is an Islamic house financing facility, which is based on the Sharia concept of Al Bai’ Bithaman Ajil (BBA). It is a contract of deferred payment sale i.e. the sale of goods on deferred payment basis at an agreed selling price, which includes a profit margin agreed by both parties.
Profit in this context is justified since it is derived from the buying and selling transaction as opposed to interests accruing from the principal lent out.

What are the main characteristics of a BBA house financing?
All the components to determine the selling price have to be fixed because the selling price has to be fixed at the time the contract is made. Hence, the profit rate for the BBA financing is fixed throughout the period of financing.

What are the mechanics of the BBA house financing?
1. Customer identifies the asset to be purchased.
2. Bank determines the requirements of the customer, in relation to the financing period and nature of repayment.
3. Bank purchases the assets concerned.
4. Bank subsequently sells the relevant asset/property to the customer at an agreed price, which consist of:
- Actual cost of the asset to the bank i.e. financing amount; bank’s profit margin.
- Customer is to settle the payment by installment payment through out the financing /period.

What are the differences between BBA house financing and an ordinary conventional housing loan?
An ordinary conventional housing loan is given on the basis of debtor/creditor relationship. Whereby, the amount of loan is being charged interest, normally quoted at a certain percentage above the base lending rate (BLR) over the loan period, repayable in periodic installment. The BLR will fluctuate up or down and it will affect the total loan cost. Simultaneously, arrears in conventional loans are normally capitalized.
However, under the Islamic banking scheme, since the BBA concept is being applied, a seller-buyer relationship will be established and the selling price is fixed upfront. The sales price is then repaid in periodic installments and the agreed installments will remain fixed throughout the financing period.
As such, a customer’s interest rate risk is eliminated. Furthermore, arrears will not be capitalized.
Will my monthly installments change according to the BLR?
The BBA financing scheme is not tagged to the BLR. Thus, the installments will be fixed according to the rates declared upon agreement. Is it possible to compute the selling price? Yes, the selling price is computed as per the formula:
Selling price = (monthly installment X number of financing months) + grace period profit (if any).

Note: Monthly installment is computed using the agreed profit rate on a constant rate of return and monthly rest. The grace period profit is charged when the bank is financing property under construction. As such, during the construction period, customer will pay the grace period profit only.

Example:
Financing amount: RM100,000-00
Profit rate: 8%
Financing period: 20 years
Installment per month: RM837-00
Selling price = (RM837-00 X (20 X 12)) + 0 = RM200,880-00

Is early settlement allowed under the BBA financing facility?
Yes. In addition, the customer is not required to give advance notice to the bank for the early settlement i.e. financing is settled before the completion of the financing tenor. As such, there is no early settlement penalty fees/charges imposed on the customer.

Does the customer entitled for rebate (Ibra’) in case of early settlement?
Yes, the customer will be entitled for a rebate on the concept of Ibra’ for the unearned profit at the bank’s discretion. The rebate is in the form of a reduction in the balance outstanding. The early settlement amount is the net figure after deducting the rebate.

What is the period of financing for the BBA house financing?
Normally for house or residential property financing, the maximum repayment period is 30 years or at the age of 65, whichever is earlier. It might differ from one bank to another.

What is the margin of financing for the BBA house financing?
The margin of financing differs from one bank to another. Generally, the margin ranges from 70% to 100% against the sales & purchase value or the current market value. Again, the customer’s repayment capacity will also affect the margin of financing that the bank can offer. Is there security/collateral requirement under the BBA house financing? Yes, the property financed by the bank will be used as the security/collateral for the financing facility under the BBA house financing. The property is usually secured by way of first party charge.

What are the legal documents for the BBA house financing?
- Letter of offer
- Property sale agreement
- Property purchase agreement
- Legal charge or,
- Assignment and power of attorney
- Or any other Islamic financing documents that are required for the house financing

Is there any restriction in applying for the BBA house financing?
Under the BBA house financing scheme, the purpose of financing is important. It must be clearly stated and revealed to ensure that the bank is not financing a customer whose income or nature of business income is derived from a forbidden source or haram income under the requirement of the Sharia. These include but not limited to the following:
Customers who are selling alcohol, drugs, pork and items relating to them Customers who are operating gambling business and entertainment outlets selling liquors Customers who are involved in immoral business such as prostitution Properties that are going to be used for haram activities.

Can a non-Muslim apply for the BBA house financing?
Yes, the same financing facility is available to the non-Muslim.

Can a foreigner or non-resident apply for the BBA house financing?

Yes, the financing facility is also open to a foreigner or non-resident. However, they are subjected to the BNM ECM 6, which includes property value must be RM250,000and above, the FIC approval is required and maximum margin of financing is 60%.

What is Mortgage Takaful?
Mortgage Takaful is the equivalent of the MRTA, whereby a protection on the financing amount will be given, in case any untoward incidents were to befall the customer. Even though it is not compulsory, most banks are making it a financing condition to encourage this mortgage takaful protection, which is beneficial to the customers and their next of kin.
Most banks are providing financing assistance for the takaful premium. Normally, the mortgage takaful premium will be included in the financing amount and will be subjected to the agreed margin of financing.
What are the advantages of the BBA house financing?
- The total cost of the property purchased is determined at the time of contract or aqad.
- There is no additional or “hidden” cost that will change the price of the property purchased.
- The transaction is transparent.
- There is no element of uncertainties or Gharar.
- Customers will know exactly when the financing will end.
- There will be no compounding of arrears and outstanding penalty charges.
- Presently, there is no additional/penalty charge on outstanding miscellaneous charges.
- Repayment is not subjected to fluctuation of the BLR.
- Allows better financial planning.

(Source: The Star, Malaysia, Contributed by Bank Negara Malaysia.)
3. Contracted Profit Rate (CPR) is actually the ceiling rate in an islamic loan package, meaning the cap that the islamic bank can charge you is until 10 - 12% depending on what is stated in the loan offer letter.
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thumbup.gif Thank you very much for clarifying my questions. It looks like Islamic loan has certain advantage over conventional loan. Islamic will be in my consideration for my next property purchase.
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post Jan 3 2017, 04:55 PM

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Hi Sir/Madam, I have loan offered with the following rates. Please could you let me know which is better as BR rate may fluctuate in the future according.
- Bank A: BR (3.65) + 0.75 = 4.4%
- Bank B: BR (3.00) + 1.35 = 4.35%

Both tenure 35 years, conventional loan, and same loan amount too.
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post Mar 14 2017, 11:00 AM

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I am currently serving 2 housing loans. One will be completed by this June.
Recently I made a booking for a new property project and should be expected to sign SPA by April/May to entitle for the rebate.

Question:
1) As I intend to borrow 90% loan from bank, can I sign the SPA without securing any loan first? Then I only apply the loan on June ?
2) If not, any other possible ways? E.g. Sign with the bank but negotiate with bank to offer the loan after June to get the 90% quota?


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post Mar 14 2017, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 14 2017, 11:10 AM)
Hi

1) Signing the SPA would mean you're committed to pay 100% to the developer whether you get a loan or not.

Since you've got 2 properties already, this new 1 will only be allowed to get 70% financing only.

2) No other possible ways as your name would record 2 existing housing loan in the CCRIS and it's a strict guideline by BNM that all FI adhere to it.
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Yes. Understood third property only allow to get 70% loan. My question is can I sign the SPA on April/May then only apply for loan later after June, since my existing loan will complete on June?

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post Mar 14 2017, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 14 2017, 11:27 AM)
Yes, you may sign the SPA much earlier with the developer, however you'll need to check with the developer on when will they need you to make payment to them or when they need the loan to be drawn down from the bank.
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