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WahBiang
post Nov 13 2015, 09:43 PM

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Just wonder, how is the first stamp duty waiver being determined.

If I already have one house under my name, but never claim the waiver, will my second house be entitle for the waiver?

As I heard, if no withdrawal was made on KWSP for any house purchase, even you already has 3 house under your name, the 4-th house will still be consider as your 1st house when dealing with KWSP.

Your advice is appreciated.
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post Nov 13 2015, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Nov 13 2015, 11:22 PM)
Dear

1. The 50% waiver is like a one chance (talian hayat) if you didn't use it on your first property, you can use it on the 2nd property.

2.No, for KWSP withdrawal, you are only eligible for the withdrawal given that you only have 1 property. If you have 1 property and intend to purchase another one and intend to withdraw EPF acc2 cash, you must sell off your property, before you could withdraw.

If you have settled your properties and unencumbered, how EPF knows you have x amount of settled properties? They can search through land office, how amny titles hold by you..
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Thanks for the comments. But here's the reply I get from KWSP previously:

Please also be advised that any house purchased utilizing EPF saving in account 2 for the first time will be considered as your first house.
Thus, you are eligible to withdraw your saving in account 2 for your second house as you have not utilized your saving for your first house.


What do you think about this? Cause I've the planning to buy my second within the next 3 years, and serving both housing loan at the same time.
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post Nov 15 2015, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Nov 15 2015, 02:43 AM)
Dear,

For what I know of till now, there only allowed as what I have told you. They might have changed.

even in their clause of terms written is as below.

Could you show me the full reply from the EPF, so that I can validate whether they had change their clause.?
CODE
Withdrawal to reduce / redeem the housing loan balance for a second house is allowed when the first house is sold or disposal of ownership has
taken place. Disposal of ownership means loss of ownership of the first house owned through previous EPF withdrawal due to auction, surrender
of property by court order, transfer of ownership because of love and affection, destruction of house due to natural disaster, abandoned housing
project or cancellation of purchase.

http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/documents/10180/177856/More_Info_Reduce_Redeem_D8_Jun2014.pdf

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Here is my enquiry to EPF and feedback from them:

Enquiry[U]

I would like to get some clarifications from EPF regarding the withdrawal of EPF to purchase a house.

Currently, there is one new house under my name and it's still under construction. The mortgage loan taken is based on 30 years term and no withdrawal of EPF was made.

As this house was meant for my parent to stay, so I'm planning to get another new house in the next 3-4 years with another new loans. While servicing both mortgage loans and car loan at the same time can be very burden to a young adult like me, would it be possible that for me to withdraw my Account 2 in EPF to serve as part of the down payment for the second house? Please advise.

EPF Feedback[U]

Your e-mail is hereby referred.

Please also be advised that any house purchased utilizing EPF saving in account 2 for the first time will be considered as your first house.

Thus, you are eligible to withdraw your saving in account 2 for your second house as you have not utilized your saving for your first house.

For other enquiries, you may call EPF Contact Centre at 03-8922 6000, browse EPF official website at http://www.kwsp.gov.my,, obtain EPF online feedback via http://enquiry.kwsp.gov.my or visit any nearest EPF Office .



The code you shared did mentioned "first house owned through previous EPF withdrawal". So I would interpret it as, first house with EPF withdrawal is treated differently with first house without the withdrawal. And the EPF's reply also confirmed that through their reply. Don't you think so? I could be wrong too.

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post Mar 20 2016, 06:03 PM

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Need your kind advice here.

For HLB mortgage loan, just wonder if we already make adv payment to the account, will it reduce our monthly payment? else, what will happen then?

As I understand, during the construction period, the interest payable will be reduced by the adv payment, but what happened after completed?
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post Mar 21 2016, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 20 2016, 06:48 PM)
The extra payment you've made is used to reduce the principle thus you're paying lesser interest. However your installment amount per month remains the same.

E.g installment is 2000 per month, 400 paid to principle and 1600 goes to interest, by putting extra every month or one time advance payment, it would make the payment to maybe 800 on principle and 1200 on interest. This effectively reduces your loan tenure e.g you took a loan for 35 years but doing now it's reduced to 30 years, but will not reduce your monthly installment that you pay to the bank.

Hope this is clear enough.
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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Mar 20 2016, 11:13 PM)
Dear WahBiang,

Extra payment

1. When you pay extra for monthly installment, which it will reduce your total interest charges.

Example:

2016:
Housing loan Rm500,000 / 4.5% interest rate / 35 years loan tenure
Monthly installment is RM2,366 (Rm1,875 Interest + Rm491.28 Principal = Rm2,366)

As you can see, your installment payment are actually paying more towards your interest than your principal.
If you decided to start paying extra RM500 every month. Your Monthly payment will be RM2,866 (RM1,875 Interest +RM991.28 Principal = RM2,866)

You will be paying more towards your Principal with the extra RM500. Hence, if you continue paying extra RM500/month consistently.

Your total interest saved would be RM180,759
Your Loan tenure will be shorten by 136months.

-This will help reduce your interest charges and reduce the loan tenure.

Paying extra to Capital account/advanced account

2. If you have a sudden influx of cash into your pocket, lets say inheritance of RM100,000, and you decided to put it into your housing loan capital account/advanced account, because you have max out ASB and other financial options.

Example:

2016
- Housing loan Rm500,000 / 4.5% interest rate / 35 years loan tenure
Monthly installment is RM2,366 (Rm1,875 Interest + Rm491.28 Principal = Rm2,366)
Total interest charge: RM493,837.28

- If you credit in Rm100,000 into the account, housing loan outstanding would be RM400,000 (RM500,000 -RM100,000), and paying the same installment amount, this will reduce your total interest charge to Rm395,072.

Because the interest you are paying right now is 4.5% on Rm400,000 instead 4.5% on Rm500,000.

Hence, you save interest and reduce the loan tenure likewise.
Do note* Your installment will never alter, your minimum installment payment will forever be the same RM2,366 for the rest of the mortgage tenure. It will never be reduced*
3. After completion, you start paying the installment as normal. Before construction, you are just paying for the interest only, won't reduce your capital.
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Thanks Keith and Evan.

Yeah, that's what I thought as well. With the same installment coupled with some advanced payment, the interest payable should be lesser. Thought it can help to reduce the monthly installment (keeping same loan term), but reducing the loan tenure seems okay as well (shorter loan term).

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post Mar 22 2016, 05:20 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Mar 21 2016, 02:59 PM)
Yup,

Hope the information serve you well!

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Another quick question, for mortgage loan on those completed / subsale units, can it actually has deferred period as well? Say I just wanna serve interest for the first 2yrs, and start paying principal in the next 30yrs?
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post Mar 22 2016, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 22 2016, 09:44 AM)
Hi,

So far bank no longer such scheme for completed properties, only during the undercon period.
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I see, too bad.. tot wanna get 2nd property soon but current cadh flow not enuf to support.
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post Apr 2 2016, 11:01 PM

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Hi All,

Need your kind advice here.

Was those 0% EPP monthly installment being included when calculating the DSR?

If yes, how was the calculation looks? 100% of the installments as per car/mortgage loan? Tot the just 1year, will they actually consider it or just ignore it?
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post Apr 2 2016, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 2 2016, 11:14 PM)
it will calculate as total outstanding on your credit card, 5% from the total outstanding.
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Thanks, but how does it looks like?

Say I bought a 12k sofa, and convert it to 12months 0% EPP, hence 1k per month.

So when come to DSR calculation, it will only take 5% of the 1k, i.e RM50?

Same calculations for all banks?

But mortgage and car loans, it took 100% of these monthly amount?
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post Apr 3 2016, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 3 2016, 12:05 AM)
I might need to get back to you on this for different banks for the the EPP calculation again whether they will take 12k or 1k.

As I know, they would take 5% of 12k since the bank has already paid 12k for you upfront with the credit card but you're paying back 1k monthly.
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I see.. but as we pay over the time, say after 6 months then left 6k to be paid in 6months, they still taking 12k or 6k?
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post Apr 3 2016, 07:21 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 3 2016, 01:11 AM)
it will be on the remaining balance. E.g if you've paid until 6 months = left 6k outstanding then it's 5% of 6k
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I see, how about the treatment for cash loan of credit card?

It is something like we withdraw $$ from credit card but then it reduced your credit limit and need to pay certain % interest upfront. Then one will see his credit limit drop based on the amount withdrew n increase slowly every month for the instalment made until fully paid within the agreed period.
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post Apr 3 2016, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 3 2016, 09:13 AM)
Same thing. It will show your card limit had lowered but your outstanding balance is shown how much cash loan u took so the it's calculated on the outstanding you took
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So still 5% of o/s loan, instead of not 100% of the installment like car loan commitment?
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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Apr 4 2016, 12:02 AM)
Dear,
1.
If you have EPP RM12k, your credit card debt calculation should based on 12k 5%.

However, to calculate 5% for the credit card debt, the epp amount should shown in ccris outstanding figure.

Because 5% debt calculation will based on the outstanding only.

But, some bank would update monthly for the epp, some bank would update full amount of the epp into ccris outstanding.
Hence, answer is very subjective, where different bank will have different method policy to update the epp outstanding.

2. Just check ur ccris, the ccris outstanding debt ccris5% allotment will be ur credit card debt calculation.

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Thanks!
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post Apr 17 2016, 10:48 PM

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I just placed my booking for a new service apartment yesterday, and the sales agent said he will helped to apply for 3 banks. Would it be better to let the sale agent handle for me, or should I find one myself at same time as well? I heard CCRIS can only be downloaded for 3 times per month, true?
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 17 2016, 10:53 PM)
Not true on the Ccris part, the bank can print as many time as they want.

You can only have one banker serving you at a time, you can't find 2 banker to apply the same bank for you. It depends you are looking for a mortgage planner that works long term with you or a banker that just work for you until they resign one day and you'll have to look for another banker again
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I see, means I still can try with banks other than the selected 3? But these bank must the panel cos got free legal fee..
How do you differentiate them, tot those banker oso mortgage planner?
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post Apr 17 2016, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 17 2016, 11:04 PM)
Mortgage planners don't work with a particular bank and they can advise you what to do with all your mortgage loans as part of your financial planning in the long term.

What you bought is an undercon project so the bank you can only apply are those that are the end financier to the project.
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I see... the loan rate will be the similar right, and perhaps banker can give lower?
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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Apr 18 2016, 07:29 PM)
Dear,

1. If you select too many banks to submit, what if 3 of the first banks rejected your loan due to certain criteria you didn;t meet? the 4th bank will have higher chances of rejectingyour loan.

2. Yes, of cos chosing the bank that are panel for the developer's project. Free legal fees are usually given by the developer hence, any bank will do. (ASSUMING you are purchasing deevloper's project)

3. There's 2 kind of mortgage consultant, 1 is direct banker and another is outsourced mortgage consultant. Outsourced mortgage consultant have a wider reach towards more banks, they can consult you based on all the bank they represent you.

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Thanks. I see, then maybe I just wait and see how it goes.. If failed then only tried other bank.. agent just took doc from me..
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 18 2016, 08:19 PM)
No problem
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post Apr 19 2016, 04:47 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Apr 19 2016, 01:28 AM)
Dear,

This is forum open thread to share, debate, discuss and giving constructive suggestions.

If you have anymore inquiries, feel free to ask  flex.gif

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Thanks Evan. Any idea about the best rate for loan of 300k?
My fren told me so far can get 4.38%-4.40% for Affin Bank, but loan amount is above 500k.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 19 2016, 07:02 AM)
Depends on the loan size and your loan profile. You have to apply first for the loan.
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Tot ady mentioned in my earlier, for loan amount 300k (this is my 2nd loan, first loan still 280k).. for one with okay profile and within DSR limit, the rate about?

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