Last week end went to symphony life show room and pretended to be a new customer. Heard the sales people told the patrons all about the wharf retail mall again. They didn't know I am a victim and showed me the model of the wharf mall and news printout about the zones and they won't stop talking about the mall and making promises.

They told me the mall will be there when during my VP. I tot to myself ....They keep telling people that since 2009.

Elevia apartments stand for more than rm500 psf. Villas about rm450 psf. They said some think the pricing is ambitious but they are going to build a mall and so the value is there.

For those who bought wharf projects and were told that the mall will be there during VP, heed this.

Before they take your money, they said you will have the mall and good value during your grand VP, after they take your money, they tell you the mall is not in the sales agreement and they reserve the right to build it later or put something different there.

I am a flexi suite owner, I feel sorry for myself and those who bought the wharf projects and paid for something that isn't there.

Looks like they are allowed to lie and con the public in broad day light and can do it for many years.

There is no mall. Buyers beware

good post! i was stunned at 1/2 boltun/simphoni threads...

ur office can find tenants ah?

from march - june, many viewers, but all said they will rent only when there is a mall.

After june market cool down, fewer viewers but still said they will wait for the mall to come.

Now I am busy with the defect list, it is long and the biggest defect is the structure and layout, I should have 2 rooms but they build it wrongly...no rooms and only 4 walls.

They didn't build the rooms in your unit as promised?? unbelievable.

Should have two rooms, but no rooms at all?

Unbelievable

I am not the only one, at least 4 other suite owners I know have the same problem. When they start to work down the defect list, the hammering and wall installation make the leaks wall cracks burst pipes worse.

truly a bad developer.. i can understand where u are coming from.. u mentioned that comments have been removed on their FB page.

btw, i heard their Star KLCC n MK Duplex condo got no news after signing the docs..

so is ur s&p stated clearly that ur unit got 2rooms ? how about the attachment in ur s&p ?

I was lucky I didn't buy a unit at Elevia Apartment last June. My inner though keep on bugging me, something was not right at that time.

not really believe about that.. how can they VP when the unit wrongly built ?

how big is the unit? and was there a unit layout drawing in your S&P (should have) with the 2 rooms shown clearly?

This post has been edited by corleone74: Dec 9 2014, 09:58 AM

that bad???? bought 2 rooms but ended with 4 walls only?

Just had a drink at mamak beside the wharf this morning. Outside looks so beautiful. Never thought inside got different story

Any photo to prove your claims?

Flexis Suites got 2 rooms?

please refer to your SPA page on layout. Unless SPA layout shows 2 rooms, otherwise its just a blank square box where owner can install wall to create rooms. most of SOVO/SOFO is like that.

I am not siding the developer but sometimes owner needs to smarten up when buying properties. All the talk about mall and etc...was just sales pitch. You believe it and betted on it....and now it didnt materialise and you cried spilled milk.....aiyu.

reminds me of some development selling on monorail extension, or lrt extension.
or proposed interchange or upcoming mall, etc.

and some even taunting HSR nearby or something.

If there are rooms as per the layout plan in the SPA, how could such glaring mistake can happen? The architect also needs to be blamed.

i dun know how SOVO/SOFO can do away with this.
all their printed materials (barred spa) clearly shown you "room" or "rooms"...some even have show units with comfy bed and etc,,,,

but in the SPA, its all one big empty space with toilet(s) nia.

Does brochures and other promotional materials count for anything in malaysia? real jialat.

yeah malls n train stations are the best ones to increase the price... maybe this developer realised the area gt no demand for mall la after seeing IOI city, many malls around etc..

the TS didnt reply also... i dont believe developer could make this type of mistake ..they definitely can get sue for this if it is wrongly built .....

long long time before the mall and MRT is officially launched, developer already priced it in. the only parties who benefit are the developers.

i can see where TS coming from.

a recent SOFO/SOVO project also the same. all promotional materials claiming 2 rooms 2 toilets configuration, but SPA only provide one square box with two toilets (i hope with full ceiling wall also ).

if you are not careful......you will be let to think otherwise just like TS.

and the landowners to a great extent. land is so scarce in semi prime/prime locations in KV. btw, ts can u post some pics to validate ur claims graphically?

Buyers complaining and yet Housing Ministry wants to delay the Build-Then-Sell housing delivery system.

they claimed that most developers dont have so many cash to do so

I think the rooms are not mentioned in the SPA
I dun sell new property with developer, unless it is fully built and completed
I think the SA is fr outsourcing agency who propagate the falsified news

I tot everyone knows that flexi suites come with 2-3 rooms? You can ask the developer to show you the layout. They still have them in their sales office, it says that clearly, 1 big partition in the middle of the unit, some layouts have 2 partitions, 1 big and 1 small, making that 3 rooms.

If you talk to the staff in the sales office, they can show you the layout.

This is what their lawyers told me too, it is a sales pitch and the developer has done nothing wrong. The responsibility lies with the people who believe this pitch.

They also told me that I am the only one who complain about many defects because other owners have no problems and are very happy with the VP, they think I am too fussy.

I cried not because I spill my milk, I can always buy a new carton, its on sale sometimes.

I cry because I just started a new family and my life savings go down the drain for something I cannot use or rent or sell, and knowing that it is because of a simple sale pitch and I too stupid to think a big company with history will not lie. even more stupid to think the law will protect us.

so I share this with you, people who think I make the problems up and this developer can be trusted, can go ahead and buy from symphony life. it is a free market and you are the king of your money, no one have the right to stop you.

Learn fr ur mistake, law can only protect u if it is in snp. When u sign ur snp you shd take ur time to read thru it. So it is ur own fault also.

TQ TS for the headsup on such obnoxious practices of cheating by pitch. I think TS has the right to voice his frustrations. Is there any channel TS can file a complaint on this? On hindsight, I wonder if the lawyer is our own, will they look thru the snp for us on this part. But because this is a new development, am sure TS use dev's free legal fee lawyer or something.

VERY VERY NOTORIOUS! These type of developers are really getting out of hand.

Any other developers doing such a thing? DO name these devs, so we are all aware of the gross discrepancies between the SALES PITCH and the SNP. TQ

we dont need developer to show us the layout , u need to make sure the layout in ur s&p is same ... if ur s&p didnt show 2rooms , thats it ...

u need to read 1 by 1 on the s&p...make sure the design and layout is same

the layout is in the snp, so they did not argue only took months to try to put the walls back. I just don't think they should use the owners time to do it. every developer has defects, i get that and I accept that, but you have to be in my shoe to know this is no small defect, the unit is not finished and they give VP.

i did ask them to put down the promise of the mall in the snp, they said no such thing, snp only covers the unit I buy and the terms do the same.

you buy from the developer you only use their lawyer and their lawyer said the developer's word is good enough because they are a big company, and I trusted the lawyer and the developer.

I never think it is all the developer's fault, and I agree with you. If I had been wiser... smarter.. less eager to benefit from investments, life can be much better.

but I don't think this is about who share more fault, it is about letting people know and letting them decide for themselves what to believe and what to do with their hard-earned money.

it is a dual key unit, like it means you have 2 units when you buy one. So the walls are in the SPA.

If you look for bizwalk flexi suites in the property listing websites, you can find pictures of the layout, it is very clear they should have rooms and it is in the SPA.

hope this can help explain it better

This post has been edited by JustineFaye: Dec 9 2014, 04:10 PM

Justine, can you attach the SPA layout here to share?

Last time I attached the picture by one owner containing part of the report about the structure of the building, the thread gone missing,

best i can do now is http://pictures.my.ippstatic.com/realtors/...de3def75d4a.png

hope they don't remove this whole thread

No leh...this page is the promotional brochure,,,,bukan page from SPA

VP when work is not 100% done. simple reason to it. If late VP, developer need to pay the penalty. so they VP on time, but if got "defect" or anything which consider defect, developer dun need pay penalty for it.
After defect period, if got any prob, owner bare the issue.

this is the modus operandi of symphony..

for my unit, they gave us the keys even though no CCC - so they end up paying less LAD .

when i asked the maintenance guy how is it possible for a developer to hand over keys when its obvious
the unit is not ready - he said, no worries, just fill in the defect form..! ya, so where do we draw the line hah?

so if an irresponsible developer VP a development without water piping, walls missing, floor tiles and tell you in your face - just enter into the defect form , how do you feel as buyer? where do one draw the line - which is defect and which is total blatant cheating the buyers?

Symlife run by some big dogs. Email the top people to make them aware of this. Most of the time the contractor's workmanship is poor.

Leaflet showing artist impression only, it carry no weight
Next time dun believe in this

Is your unit under Housing Development Act? IF it is , please ask the National House Buyers Association for Help

e-mail info@hba.org.my

Don't believe property agent words of mouth as well... lol

Pls dun beg me to source a house for you, I hv no time for you
Thank you thank you

yes it is..thanks for the info

it gone worse now, market scene but good update thou, it is cash out time..

Sorry to hear about your plight. But take it in a positive light if there is no other avenue i.e. engage an interior design to partition into the way you want your house to be using dry partition wall.

Wah, opportunist!

ANNNNNNNNDDDDDDD second positive light is you can practice capoeira without slamming into a wall during my VP, I saw that my condo is not ready and access card cannot be used, I gave them back the keys and asked them to finished the job. It is a pain in the ass but no choice, it is symphony. I rent a place and send them the bill.

when a devlper tag a promise to a sale, it is their duty to deliver. So don't let others make you think you are at fault. Punishing the victims should not be in your belief system.

Symphony Life in news again for bad reason

http://www.thestar.com.my/Metro/Community/...-residents-ire/

bunch of bozos i would say. good luck "investing" in them

HAHAHAHAHA... you are funny, I think Symphony Life is also thinking the same thought "bunch of bozos, stupid enough to buy from me"

Q: What is the difference between investing in Symphony Life Berhad and sleeping with the Bulls?
A: You deal with a lot less bullshit sleeping with the bulls.

ty, but my purpose is not to complain here about my plight, but to question the developer about the missing mall.
Notice how the people skillfully divert the topic into defects and discredit me from there, the the topic of the MISSING MALL is again lost in the thread.
This happen in other forums too, good job Symphony Life
I think the topic of the MISSING Wharf Retail mall has become much more sensitive than the topic of religion in Malaysia.

I tried, they put this under the defect list and take their time to rectify the problems. People who think you can sue the developer for this and win is dreaming.
Our friend here think we are bozos for investing in Symphony Life, I think the system is bozo too, do you think Symphony Life bribe or not bribe the authority to allow them to operate like conman and get away with it?

u shld go to one of d fb forums n complain abt them when a new project of theirs come out

my friend told me if you want free travel to the moon can go complain about them in the SL facebook because they block and kick people to the moon there for complaining.

i mean other FB pages like ptlm n all.. when they launch new project will come out thr.. then cn remind buyers. Jus dnt strt a new thread.. monitor n comment appropriately

I guess TS or anyone could come out with a list of problematic/irresponsible developers and include their issues and rants.

ahhemmm, LIVE FROM PTLM - - - -

Mr Ajib Adi — 1 starPage that Bias to developer, where by delete our complaint post about developer TITIJAYA that not pay my DIBS until effected my CCRIS. Don't know how much developer pay for delete it. Pls be neutral and being platforms to purchaser like we.

November 28, 2014 · 10 Reviews

PropertyTalk & Lifestyle Malaysia - We do not get any single sen paid by anyone. Pls do not push your personal frustration to our mainstream feed as we need to get on with other things. TQ
November 30, 2014 at 5:31am · Edited

Ajib Adi - I believe when we talk about property and care others too we need to share with other what happened and this is not my only one guy personal issue as we need to share it to other to protect them too to avoid others become victims too. Not only make sales and post new launch but care to others also by sharing news like this is very important amd part of social responsibility. Unless if we just care about our personal $$$$
November 30, 2014 at 7:21am · Edited

ptlm don't kick people to the moon, they kick people to mars

PTLM remind me of a fellow malaysian neighbour telling his foreigner friend that malaysia polis never for once take bribes.

but ty for the tips, dnt strt new thread, gently comment ........

Yeap i usually will jus comment like this: this developer still wanna launch prop after wht they did with 'bla bla' then ppl will also give their opinion.

Wow can compete with akisama already. 288 residences at kuchai lama luxury semi d in the sky has been delivered with exposed waste and water pipes everywhere including hallway corridors and directly above condo entrance. Never even seen this in low cost flat anyway.

Sorry for hijacking this thread but need some guidance on how to complain or where to complain. I tried kpkt online aduan no reply, call also no one pick up.

My condo common facilities not built as per the site plan on SPA - swimming pool, gate exit and entrance lane, guest waiting lounge.. Etc.

Where and how to go about this..? Thanks all

Me sure many buyers bought in mind with the mall coming up ( at the same time) maybe should bring this matter with the media than only the developer starts listening

Very enlightening discussion. Thank you all for the valuable insights. I will definitely pay more attention to all these details in the future because of all this information. God bless!

today I was driving around the area finding the entrance lee yuan, 288 residence, seringin......
the road that very small- cant imagine when everyone move in the road will be super pack jam especially 288 residence kuchai Lama - locate in middle of all the high rise residence.

the whalf look like a low cost apartment, , it was advertise to be attached with a mall, so far, after so many year, never see any contruction, i think symphony are launching a new semi D or terrace in that area selling over 1 M. if no mall was built in that area, their selling price is not justified.. i seriously think the whalf is overpriced ,. lease hold + no mall+ cheap paint

its not just bear in mind, the media publication and public forums all state they will complete the mall by 2013, if you google wharf shopping mall 2013 online. their yearly report also state they will build since 2011 but every year they keep saying the same thing EVERY YEAR like they will break ground for the mall "this year". it is much much more than just a verbal promise.

sure. we can sue but cannot get compensated because this is one that has cause no liquidated damages to buyers, or at least it is very hard to prove.

Some wharf units owners banded together in 2014 there are lawyers among them and discuss possible legal action. the media promising to build the mall in 2013 is as binding as any SnP BUT owners cannot show liquidated money damages because Bolton's lawyers argued the missing mall has not caused any provable money loss. in fact Bolton argue and can prove that property prices increased after VP, even without the mall. Bolton also played victim card by saying MPSJ always reject their permit application for the mall.

funny thing is Bolton doesn't encounter hardship getting permit for all residential projects but for 1 mall they are rejected tens of times over last 7 years.

they really think the buyers are stupid.

some owners sue over defect issues and won small amount is because Bolton allow them to win to make the playing field look fair, so gullible future buyers will believe that the law will protect them even if it is a bad investment.

now we are asking them to keep their promise by spending hundreds of millions to build the mall. it is a total different story now. they can spend lot less than that keeping some judges and more lawyers in their pockets so we can never win.

the lawyers think Bolton will do everything in their power to fight us because they cannot lose, loosing means they cannot use this empty promise shopping mall trick to sell future projects and also will invite more owners to sue them in future.

you are right, the onli way now is to get the media in. maybe the politicians too.


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newest update - owners with source inside Bolton say all these talk about condos semi terrace is not confirm and can be just Bolton's trickery because they keep changing their stories and minds.

owners think bolton's real intention is to use the empty land as a ruse to trick people into buying up their nearby future projects, as long as one day there is a hope for a mall in this empty land, people will buy their nearby projects.
bolton don't want to spend a single cent to build the mall but they need the people to believe there will be a mall.

So most likely the land will be empty for many years until all nearby lands are all bought up by them and all nearby future projects completed and fully sold

This post has been edited by JustineFaye: Feb 16 2015, 12:27 PM

I think have to appear in Kpkt in person, if need then show them your SPA and see if your claim is less than 50, 000 then maybe they can help you. If not I think you can go to your local Majilis and aduan. Take pictures of the mess and shiit and tell them you will post online for public viewing if they don't take action.

I don't think it cost much money to solve this problem, aduan until Majilis ask developer for minom Kopi fees then developer can decide to clean it up themselves to save $

unfortunately u didnt check the main shareholder of bolton. I normally will only buy those owner who will jaga their reputation...
i will avoid certain group of ppl if they r the main shareholder.

Explain certain group of people

Thanks for sharing..

Thanks for sharing it, will tell all the my buddy skip this developer!

Good tips brah, the owners of sixceylon got bounced from SL facebook so they turned to sites like this
https://www.facebook.com/search/11214093214...laces/intersect, from
Real Estate Developers in Petaling Jaya, Malaysia

Since corruption runs deep in this country, there's not telling who is taking and who isn't and we don't know who'd let us talk, so we ran around like orphans looking for good homesa.

At one time the leaking of our pool was so bad we worried about the million gallon water crushing down, Bolton sent some clown to try to glue the cracks with snort and booger-like substance. We know it won't hold but I guess they're just trying to put the problem off until the warranty is over.

So the few of us talked to a reporter and they take us a bit more seriously. Now they claim they have fixed the problem but there is still some leaking.

sixceylon owners weren't able to go home without problems for months after VP because access cards weren't working. I think wharf condo owners should find a way to check if their cards are working before making all final payments to Bolton.

Pls let me know if you wish to complain (in a civilised way) on PTLM. If the post is beyond the complainers' good act, such as for his/her unwarranted publicity or bad rapport or keep wanting the post to trend upwards with the same commentaries when nobody else commenting, we will remove it.

Having said that, we would like to advice all property buyers to clearly check their SPA, including for rooms, etc. Market convention is that a SOFO/SOVO must be a blank unit, with partitions being "add-on" (sometimes as ID package for those with such packages) and all these must be put in writing - so that developer is obligated to follow.

This post has been edited by accetera: Feb 18 2015, 06:42 PM

Now i've learned about soho/sovo must be a blank unit…. blank means empty? true enuf that one must check the SPA before signing…. but sadly to say that most of the buyers don't patiently read the entire SPA…. n the lawyer/assistant will only tell u "sign every page please, fast fast sign la, i got another appointment leh"

Thanks for the remind

Yah bro, go head and blame the victims!

Normally it is wise to read the SPA thoroughly no doubt, but in this case there is no way the developer will include a clause in the SPA to bind themself to the mall development. Nor will they describe the facade of the condos in the SPA. So the buyers can read their SPAs until it starts smoking and they won’t be able to foretell what the S***T bolton plans to dump on them.

The clowns running bolton and their lawyers put their heads together to produce a one sided contract to take advantage of ordinary people with no legal knowledge and later place full legal burden on these innocent parties.

They put it out there, medias about a fancy shiny mall with nice upscale modern looking condos on top and after sucking about a billion ringgit from everyone, they shove to the buyers a development with no mall and condos that look absolutely ridiculous. Then together with their advocates, they blame their victims for not reading the SPA carefully.

I am even more amazed at how easily the victims can be swayed to shift their attention away from the culprit and blame themselves for the culprit’s immoral conduct.

I think all SPAs of the wharf development should be set aside and buyers given a choice, or put to a vote, whether they want get all their money back or place a specific performance order for Bolton to improve the condo façade and start ground work for the mall immediately.

some of you may not be aware that any representation by the developers in their brochures or sales pitch is good enough for a bringing a case against them if they do not deliver. I read an article on this matter a few months ago but
because many people are not aware of their rights, the developers go scot free..and this happen all the time ..that is why they are so blatant and unless you as a buyer go forward and thump your finger on their nose so to speak, they will not do anything . afterall they have a bunch of inhouse lawyers at their disposal whilst the little small man in the street ie the buyers do not have such resources ...

so i would say bunch together and call the media to highlight the problem and file a case with the housing tribunal (by the way you need to go there personally - do not even bother to write or call ..)

Even the SPA under the HDA is not always closely followed. Reputable companies with good track record will in all probability deliver their products according to what is contracted in the SPA. As for brochures and media ads - some info may be left out like the exact pricing and the actual address the the development is situated on. My 2 sen.

Developers who honour their deals and deliver promises usually have more to gain because people tend to park their money with the more reputable ones.
Symphony Life is only obsessed with short term gains as they openly and blatantly challenge all buyers while displaying their dishonesty for all to witness.

Each year, they would choose to put the company's profits into their own pockets and into other projects than to use a portion of it to honor the promises made to the people, like building the mall and improving the quality of the houses they build.

Yes advertising materials triumphs SPA, but bringing the cases to the tribunal is only useful if they can show monetary damages, and only very few of the victims manage to do that.
But even so, the winners are not compensated for the troubles, pain or mental anguish they endured.

It is obvious the people in charge of this firm has the appetite of a lion but the brains of a goose. They are truly blinded by greed and have nothing more than tunnel visions.

Using the Media to put pressure on them is least costly and the most effective way to deal these crooks, just me 2 cents as well.

duh??? >>>their million dollar tijani oso the same, leaks everywhere. This cheapskate developer use materials so cheap that springs all sorts of leaks.
The underground pipes cracked shortly after vp. Flood everywhere.They couldn't fix it. Endless problems afterwards... Symphony Bolton deny everything and lawyered up. This problem dragged on for yrs. last y rthe owners pumped in loads of cash to put the thing back together. They think itll burst again. btw the tijani units interiors oso leak like water taps..... *sigh*

this is very lousy workmanship

they should have done many checks on structure faults and waterproofing..
i can feel those tijani pain as my housing area by bolton also suffer from severe leaks and major piping issues. too bad mine was subsale, dont have the chance to claim warranty..

but frankly speaking, i dont think the so-call mall at the wharf area will work, footprint is too small..

When Bolton sell the dream project, they said the mall will transform puchong into a high tech town with arty designs and they surely charged their buyers the price for that concept. Now they hunger for quick VPs to get fash cash and let buyers face big dumpsters opposite.

If land is too small, they can reclaim land, put up more floors for the mall, use strip mall concept and many other choices to make it work, but its useless arguing this now if they are trying so hard to find excuses to not build it

Unit price for a wharf units can easily exchange for a much nicer bigger property in nearby housing estates. Why do these wharf properties cost so much to the buyers? because of a small swimming pool and 2 threadmills + big dumpsters in front of them?

They promised buyers the mall will attract tenants for the wharf like starbucks, banks, papa rich....and other branded outlets, and Jusco for the mall, now the best we got is 1 or 2 mamakstore and kopitiams with cusomters talking loudly, smoking and spitting.

..... truly 5 star wharf development become ZERO star low cost area.

Did anyone drive by the wharf recently? all you can see is a ghost alley filled with empty units and banners dropping down, torn and the whole place looks run down, thanks to Bolton's broken promises + their workers from opposite dumpsters visiting freely.
Not building the mall is one thing, do they really have to do so much bullshiet to makesure the wharf look so undesirable + horrible?

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This post has been edited by JustineFaye: Feb 28 2015, 01:45 AM

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This post has been edited by JustineFaye: Feb 28 2015, 01:42 AM

Wow. Bolton should rot in hell

I had the chance to pass by the wharf so I went the connecting site to look. I saw giagantic dumpsters housing squatters, and it wasn't pretty. The whole place look like a mountain of vomit and an ideal breeding ground for dengue mosquitoes and other diseases. Sadly, I was also told that the buyers have to face this shitz for years and then more.

Each new day they invent a new way to screw over their buyers. Bravo Symphony Life

tijani yes siree .....those tiled floor you can hear hallow sounds when you knock on them *TOCK TOCK TOCK*, they didin't cement the tiles to the floor fully. The wooden floor on the loft is loosely pieced together, and the wood not properly treated. Water poured in through the window cuz its not well sealed. concealed piping in the toilets ,walls and oso the ceiling burst and leaks followed. haha, you didn't lose anything, claiming warranty didn't work for us, repeated repairs fixed the small problems and not the structure...

...flooding everywhere when the underground pipes burst, their lawyers got them out. All the stupid bolton inhouse lawyers should receive automated disbarment and sentenced to live in Bolton's apartments for the rest of their natural lives, without parole! they call it uptown luxury living , my foot ..its a total piece of junk

Defects and poor workmanship may make the completed property not liveable. The property is just short of being abandoned. It's safer to go with the BTS model which involves a more straight forward transaction - less hassle and a guaranteed completed house to one's liking and satisfaction. The BTS model in a way can honour the rights and interests of the buyer and most of all it does not involve taxpayers' money. Just my 2 sen.

Sad to say but dont buy nadayu 92 phase 3. Now i am starting to doubt other nadayu properties as well. Big technical issue now. If wanna know more msg me personally.

Boss, if I remember correctly, you bought Nadayu 92 right? Apa jadi?

the other day big advert in star symphony life TWY....
look like a luxury, will they do well in bigger residential project?
commercial project just isolated case?

Yeah i am very honest. Not like some people here. So biased. Anyway, phase 3 nadayu 92 cannot use phase 1 and 2 clubhouse because different title and thus different jmb and different maintenance. And phase 3 doesnt have own clubhouse. Only bbq pit. Lol. But when they sold us the house, sales exec said all can use.

as long as you pay less Maintenance Fees - the blow is not so hard.

What is the Maintenance Fees with and without club house

Anyway, Nadayu is by Mutiara Goodyear right

I lost track of Property Developer Company from 2004 to 2014

10-years ago, Mutiara Goodyear was not a 'high end developer" but neither was Mah Sing

For this particular case, I don't know whether the developer over promise or it's the fault of the SA mis-selling but nowadays the SA quality really

from my own personal observation and experience, almost all developers are crap in this country. Some who used to be good developers have also started to slack on quality and after sales service - its as if in their pursuit to maximize their profits due to the recent boom times, anything goes it seems..and this include screwing the buyers kao kao..


what you pay is not what you get
what is promised is not what you get

for example..

buyers are taken for granted by the developers ..

the law needs to be amended to protect the buyers a lot more ..as it is , developers have the upper hand currently.
So its d big boys vs the little man in the street ..