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quovadis123
post Feb 15 2015, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Feb 14 2015, 11:58 PM)
Is there any blank black pbt keycaps beside keycool and signature plastic?
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Don't have.
Keycool and SP also don't have black blank.

QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 15 2015, 12:01 AM)
Yea, Kailh Switches as you already know is Made in China and very cheap. Also, the quality is not as good as Cherry MX Switches.
Razer is using Kailh Switches being "rebranded" as their very own special switches. They're called as Razer Green(Tactile) Switch and Razer Orange(Linear) Switch.

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Your point is?
We know is not worth, and it's expensive because using fake switches.
It's expensive. I remember someone said before (need scroll back the thread and see), only retarded a.k.a sohigh buy cap ular mkb. whistling.gif
Syukur.

QUOTE(dadudeneverabides @ Feb 10 2015, 01:19 PM)
But if you dumb/retarded, go buy triple-snake.
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QUOTE(zennasyndroxx @ Feb 15 2015, 12:02 AM)
lai lai semua jilat ah. JILAT
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Buttlicker, no dignity, no identity. vmad.gif

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post Feb 15 2015, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Feb 15 2015, 01:55 AM)
SP has black color for their DSA PBT blank sets.

I'm pretty sure there is black blank in here
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10....&id=14011959835

according to the pictures and google translate  hmm.gif
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The link showed blank black POM material not PBT.
I checked and saw SP got it.
Manufacturer normally don't make black as, it can't be dye-sub.
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post Feb 15 2015, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(yuktsi14 @ Feb 15 2015, 05:40 PM)
question of the day, which is dupe?

user posted image
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summon belfong to analyse and give us a result. sad.gif
kthxbye.

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post Feb 15 2015, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(ainuddin @ Feb 15 2015, 05:53 PM)
the basic ones are linear and tactile. for gaming, more into the linear line for the easy double-tapping and such. tactile for feedback towards typing. but it can go any way you want it too.

any other features depends on you. yes its a feel thing. numbers and calculations very much out of the window when it comes to matters of the feels. there are $250-$400 single artisan keycaps exchanging hands so, yeah. no logic at all.

be wary too about gaming-branded boards, they are made with cheaper materials comparing to their custom counterparts. filco is generally well-built and lasting while razer, corsair quite often
come up with issues on their LEDs and material surface. ducky series 2 and 3 are quite good, DAS should be on par as well.
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Add some info.
CM also have material surface issue. They are using rubbery coat on their recent keyboards like rapid-i and novatouch.
Will peel off after some periods.
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post Feb 15 2015, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 15 2015, 05:33 PM)
I have no clue what the fella butthurt so much. Just a year n half ago he was shopping for Armageddon mkb.

I am looking to replace initially my g15 and not g19 but then since u all said its a feel thingy so looks like had to get a few.
So choose razer chroma, k70 rgb red, ducky shine 4 blue. I dont like ducky shine 4 looks, feel etc.
K70 rgb dont like the alu and software. So hence was pleased with the chroma.

As for logitech g910 will only know during this weekend after third day of cny will pop over so sg cause of a invite and get it.
DAS professional 4 brown switches got it from amazon and status not shipped yet.

Filco Majestouch Convertible 2 is not available in MY.
CM.. well i dislike CM and anything affiliated with that brand after a few issues with them.

I would think this 5 keyboards should cover most of the things i would see the benefits of Mkb and its switches.

Do you see me advising somebody on buying a mkb.

So if his rage continues its better if we meet in person. Settle it there and then. Baskets be emo needs a chill pill.
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You may try CM keyboards as well. Their keyboard series like novatouch and quickfire rapid-i are great.
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post Feb 15 2015, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(Powet @ Feb 15 2015, 06:15 PM)
^ quovasifu , wanna ask

Cm storm has how many models that's standard layout 1?

As far as I know now is novatouch and rapid-i you mentioned.. other than that? I mean those still available on market.. cm storm mkb also have gaming layout ?

And for corsair famous mkb k series like k70.. it's gaming layout ?
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Standard Layout of CM:-
- Rapid-i
- Rapid-si (stealth | side print keycaps)
- Novatouch
- XT (not sure EOL or not)

Note: Rapid, Stealth EOL already.

What is gaming layout?
Don't make it so difficult, just separate into standard and non-standard.
After market keycaps set are labelled as standard (majority).
Non-standard is minority layout.

K70 is non-standard layout in Cherry MX switches keyboard.


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post Feb 15 2015, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 15 2015, 07:49 PM)
Ducky should have better typing experiences compared to Razer. But, since it's problematic with your MOBO, ditching it is pretty logic.

And, why you plug in so many KBs at once? LOL.
I am plugging in 2 now, but, I only use one at a time.

A brand start using standard layout, they'll shine!  smile.gif
CM Storm Novatouch is using Topre Switches with Cherry MX Stem, means it's a Topre Switch which is compatible with Cherry MX Keycaps(means universal support).
Unlike standard Topre Switches, they're using Topre Stem, thus, only compatible with Topre Keycaps.

Topre Keyboards(Like Realforce brand) are made in Japan, the quality is superb and the price too is sky high. LOL. Though, they don't have good design.  doh.gif
USD 200+ for one keyboard, having adding tax, oversea courier, and stuffs yet.  smile.gif
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The design of RF actually is much better than lots of keyboards.
I actually like the curve and the simplicity of the case like other who owned RF.
RF case is the best case i encountered in most Topre I come across (HHKB, Novatouch, RF).

Other RF users also give their opinion on the design in RF last time.
QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Dec 4 2014, 05:46 PM)
The plastic molding quality and design of the RF is unmatched indeed. Never knew you can make a clip on plastic case so solid.
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post Feb 16 2015, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 12:15 AM)
Yes, Topre is one kind of switch only. Deal with it.  tongue.gif
And, it's mechanism is quite different compared to Cherry MX counter parts.
If not wrong, it's LINEAR like RED or BLACK but has better or smoother bounce back, and you'll need to press each key deep enough for it to register(but, it won't matter much if you're a MX Black user originally). You can say it's a REFINED version of Cherry MX Red or Black.

Cherry MX switches usually categorized into Tactile and Linear.
Cherry MX Blue, Brown, Grey, White/Clear, Green, etc for TACTILE.
Cherry MX Black, Red, Yellow, etc for LINEAR.
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Where do you read about Topre is like refined version of MX Red and Black?
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post Feb 16 2015, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(justnits @ Feb 16 2015, 08:49 AM)
bukan lah, topre is tactile.
in fact, for some people. it actually feels like rubberdome/membrane keyboard laugh.gif
imagine paying over RM600 for a rubberdome/membrane keyboard...oh wai...
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I paid more than thousand for modded version for rubberdome as well. icon_idea.gif
My siggy explained it.
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post Feb 16 2015, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 11:51 AM)
One thing you guys should take notice over here is what you guys always said FEELING.
Feeling is vary among everyone.
But as long as it's logical, it's considered OK.
It's OK to tell Cherry MX Brown is Cherry MX Blue minus the clicky. In technical term, it might not be really accurate to put up this statement. But, in real-life testing, it's more or less that way... Tactile.
Unless, you tell like Cherry MX Blue is the same feel as Cherry MX Red, then, it's WRONG. Because one is full linear and another is obvious tactile. It's like driving a LORRY vs Luxury Car.
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I think I should come out and say something about this as a user that tried all the Topre variants (30g, 45g, 55g) and most reputable Topre keyboards.
Topre is TACTILE! and heavy tactile

It's bullshit if someone tells you it's near to Brown or Red or refined Red, refined Brown, and refined what so ever MX Cherry.
It's actually similar to MX Clear of which has clear actuation bump.
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post Feb 16 2015, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(xXAaronXx @ Feb 16 2015, 06:28 PM)
I dun really get the standard layout. I tot keyboard layout are the same.
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Layout that we categorized as standard layout for ANSI looks like this...
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What make a standard layout standard is the bottom row of modifiers (Row 1):
Ctrl(1.25unit) Win(1.25unit) Alt(1.25unit) Spacebar(6.25unit) Alt(1.25unit) Win(1.25unit) FN(1.25unit) Ctrl(1.25unit) [Total 15units]

Other keyboards that do not have the same unit measurement like the standard is called non-standard layout.
Example:
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Most of the after replacement keycaps are in standard layout, like doubleshot abs, dye-sub pbt etc, in different type of profile (cherry, oem, dsa, sa, etc).
Non-standard layout keyboard owner do not have these kinds of after-market luxury because the bottom R1 modifiers are non-standard.

Let's talk about another serious issue of non-standard layout like K70. K70 do have 6.5 spacebar, which is very rare dimensions.
Most spacebars in MX Cherry are in 6.25unit and 7unit.

Question of the day for everyone...
Do changing after-market replacement keycaps set important?
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post Feb 16 2015, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(noobkialol @ Feb 16 2015, 08:12 PM)
cm storm rapid i and filco ninja which is better?
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filco.
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post Feb 16 2015, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 09:35 PM)
If LED did die, can RMA or just void the warranty and fix it yourself.  tongue.gif
Anyway, I don't know if CM Storm Rapid-i has LED issue or not, my friend is using one and it's perfectly fine.

I would recommend Filco too for this case. Much more modding advantages.
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Ya, CM Storm QFR-i also has LED fail prematurely issue. Several forummers (rapid-i users) reported this issue not long ago.
Guess it's pretty normal for LED keyboard including Ducky, Corsair etc.

Still highest LED failure rate champion still is Corsair K70 series. Shame on them. vmad.gif
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post Feb 16 2015, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 10:30 PM)
I hope you FULLY READ the stuffs I quoted or link I showed?
In essence, the Topre switch feels first like a refined rubber dome and second in some ways reminiscent of some mechanical-contact switches such as the Cherry MX Red and Alps SKCM Cream Damped.
Source, http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switch

And, I concluded it as "In short, it's like Linear(like MX Red which is linear too) with slight Tactile near end of each finishing press.".

And, quovadis123 said it's heavy tactile. So, I am glad if it really is heavy tactile because I would like to try it out if possible and I don't like linear.
If Topre is pure linear, I'll stay away from it.
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I guess I have to quote back the misleading part of your explanation. See the italic fonts.
QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 12:15 AM)
Yes, Topre is one kind of switch only. Deal with it.  tongue.gif
And, it's mechanism is quite different compared to Cherry MX counter parts.
If not wrong, it's LINEAR like RED or BLACK but has better or smoother bounce back, and you'll need to press each key deep enough for it to register(but, it won't matter much if you're a MX Black user originally). You can say it's a REFINED version of Cherry MX Red or Black.

Cherry MX switches usually categorized into Tactile and Linear.
Cherry MX Blue, Brown, Grey, White/Clear, Green, etc for TACTILE.
Cherry MX Black, Red, Yellow, etc for LINEAR.
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That's why there are so much reactions from those who try before Topre and explain Topre is actually Tactile.

It's not important anymore, since you u-turn again today. Not first time. doh.gif

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post Feb 17 2015, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Feb 17 2015, 01:41 PM)
3 days into using the HHKB Type-S. It has all the thock and non of the rattling clack. Very satisfying to just type and listen. Very very satisfying.

Definitely one of my favourite keyboard to use.
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Do you feel like to mod it to final destination 55g maybe from your 55g RF? smile.gif
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post Feb 17 2015, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Feb 17 2015, 02:13 PM)
Plenty of videos on jewtube already.
It is exactly the same.
Maybe. I already have a Silent RF and a 55g RF. Might switch the domes.
But I won't make HHKB 55g Silent though. That would cost money.
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Ya, cost alot of money to complete a HHKB 55g Silent.
So, currently in this forum, only 1 member had it. thumbup.gif
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post Feb 17 2015, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Feb 17 2015, 06:41 PM)
Bunny say shipping still 18usd even we order 4 sets brows.gif jom
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post Feb 17 2015, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 17 2015, 06:22 PM)
I know, that's why I said I am agreeing on what they said and commented.
But, they insisted me why I change my opinion suddenly...?  doh.gif
Because I read the wiki, but claimed wrong by people here. So, I just wanna seek a confirmation.
But the logic here is:
When I said 1+1 = 3, I was proven wrong and was corrected by people, taught me 1+1=2, I learned. But, in the future, I can't use this correct way? Because what? You can't apply what you learned?
Learned from wrong, fixed problem, continue with correct way... isn't this correct? Or keep repeating mistakes?

Thanks for the very detail answers.

Happy CNY and Holiday.
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In essence, the Topre switch feels first like a refined rubber dome and second in some ways reminiscent of some mechanical-contact switches such as the Cherry MX Red and Alps SKCM Cream Damped.

The switch action is very smooth, with a tactile bump that you can feel near the top of the stroke. After the bump, the resistance is almost flat, making it difficult to avoid bottoming out. You can not feel the mid-stroke actuation point. It bottoms out distinctly with a "thock" sound.

Some Topre keys are very light, which can lead to unintended key activations; this happens especially on keyboards that have differently weighted switches for different fingers.


The wiki is kinda true, and but it's confusing. It's written by a guy that only try topre once not long term (He is referring to an uniform 45g Topre switch for keyfeel).
And it's just a very introduction of Topre general information.
Most people will misinterpret the meaning of the keyfeel written in Deskthority website.
I bolded the important points about Topre.

- Topre feel like refined rubber dome
- The tactile bump near top of the stroke (~4mm)
- "thock" sound when bottoming the keystroke

And there are lots of information that not written in the wiki. Only real users know it, maybe keep it as secret. nod.gif

And you can look back at your previous posts, most of the part you actually misinterpret. smile.gif
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post Feb 17 2015, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(belfong @ Feb 17 2015, 09:13 PM)
Yum singgggg! (CNY cheers!)
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post Feb 17 2015, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(belfong @ Feb 17 2015, 09:38 PM)
Absolutely!

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1 biji can exchange a decent keyboard. sweat.gif
2 biji can exchange a 4k dell monitor. sweat.gif

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