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rcracer
post Dec 4 2014, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(destEX @ Dec 4 2014, 08:34 AM)
I have some questions, I'm no engineer in mechanical field and I only have a general idea on how an engine works so correct me if I'm wrong

Question: does higher RON allows for higher performance in normal car? Eg myvi saga

Fact: A higher RON allows for a higher compression ratio without knocking

Doubt: to mechanical engineers, does a normal car engine adjust it's own compression ratio to the fuel octane ratio? If it's not variable then wouldn't it compress the fuel back to the same ratio? Then wouldn't the performance be the same between RON 95 and RON97 if the compression ratio is the same?

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1. A higher RON that what the engine is designed for will NOT produce more power, the effects we feel is largely due to different additive packages for 95 and 97 at our pumps

2. No a car cannot adjust compression at all. Higher compression ratio requires higher RON because before the piston reaches top dead centre the air fuel mixture is already hotter than a lower compression engine. Take a very simplified example, two pistons traveling over the same distance 10cm in the cylinder. One has compression ratio of 10:1 and the other 14:1.

After 10cm travel the 10:1 compressed the air 8 times of nominal pressure, but the 14:1 would have compressed the mixture to 10 times of nominal pressure despite travelling same distance.

High compression = higher temperature = more likely to self ignite before spark from spark plug. Hence higher RON needed to withstand self ignition until the spark fires.

So why doesn't RON 97 give better performance in an engine requiring only RON 95?

simply because of the reason above, the engine needs to have the mixture NOT ignite BEFORE the spark, so 95 is enough to prevent that, putting 97 also achieves same results, hence 0 benefit.

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post Dec 4 2014, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Dec 4 2014, 10:06 AM)
Wrong laaa... retarding ignition timing is not to lower compression ratio...
to lower the compression ratio the VVTi or iVtec or variable valve technology will keep the intake valve open much longer than its required so the mixture will reverse back into the fuel injector chamber thus lowering the compression ratio

this also works with retarding ignition timing to compensate for the low RON or premature ignition (Engine knock)...

but if your engine is design for Lower RON like RON91/2/5 no point pump 97 just waste of money only...

most of CKD cars are made for RON91 due to thailand fuel... (Thai sell RON91) so inorder for your car to travel to thailand and not dying there engine is made to lowes regional requirement hence in South east Asia is RON91... this is also why before RON95 petrol pump sell minyak merah (RON92)

Some europe car uses min 95 cause based on europe region where min RON is 95...

Japanese performance car usually go around RON97-RON100 eg. Type-R is RON98... but RON97 can laaa any below will kill your engine...
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not exactly right

compression is completely fixed, it's the physical ratio of the bore of the cylinder and travel of the piston.

holding valves open will reduce the pressure build up BUT the compression ratio remains becuase the bore and piston travel does not physically change.

secondly , valve timing is not to change compression ratio, is to change the breathing of the engine, and VVTi only works when the piston is at TDC, the entire process of the mixture in and exhuast out is completey driven by the natural remaining pressure from combustion in the cylinder and scavenging of the exhaust system

the piston does nothing to change the suction, both valves MUST be fully closed once the compression stroke begins the upward stroke.

This post has been edited by rcracer: Dec 4 2014, 10:33 AM

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