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post Dec 4 2014, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(destEX @ Dec 4 2014, 08:34 AM)
I have some questions, I'm no engineer in mechanical field and I only have a general idea on how an engine works so correct me if I'm wrong

Question: does higher RON allows for higher performance in normal car? Eg myvi saga

Fact: A higher RON allows for a higher compression ratio without knocking

Doubt: to mechanical engineers, does a normal car engine adjust it's own compression ratio to the fuel octane ratio? If it's not variable then wouldn't it compress the fuel back to the same ratio? Then wouldn't the performance be the same between RON 95 and RON97 if the compression ratio is the same?
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The difference in octane generally indicates the resistance to detonation. It has nothing to do with compression ratio. So throw the idea of the compression ratio out the window.

A car mostly cannot change its compression ratio, but it can advance or retard the ignition. It does this in concert with the O2 sensor for AFR and knock sensor.

eg; If a car senses it is using a lower RON than what is recommended due to the detection of knock and pinging via the knock sensor it starts to retard timing, which lowers the power. And if it detects that knock is 0 and AFR meets the target it gets more aggressive with the timing advance.

But, no. On normal cars, the car will go no more aggressive on the timing than it's stated RON target. If your car maker recommends a RON91 you gain nothing by going to 98 as the ECU will go no higher to preserve the engine from blowing holes in your piston.
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post Dec 4 2014, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(amxpayne67 @ Dec 4 2014, 08:51 AM)
This would be more accurate answer. So no need to get different RON for you car, just use whatever recommended by the manufacturer
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If you own a performance car with a wide range of recommendations, then yes, you can try different fuels.

My Mitsu Evo in the manual says that it will run on 95 to 98, so maximum power is achieved at RON98.
My BMW says it will run on 91 to 98, so being a cheap bahgger I isi with cheapo petrol RON91 to jimat.

QUOTE(NaShRiCk @ Dec 4 2014, 08:53 AM)
konklusi disini.. ron 95 nor ron97. dua2 xde beza.

and myth pasal ron97 cuci enjin tu? owai. aku dengar pon dah topkek
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Under law, all fuel contains a certain amount of detergents. Some fuel sellers to increase sales put more additive in their premium RON97 petrols, but not all of them.

Also if you use a direct injection engine, all this cleaning shit is useless.
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post Dec 4 2014, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Sone Shin @ Dec 4 2014, 09:13 AM)
How can I know my car sapot what petrol?  ohmy.gif

Proton information so limited on internet.  cry.gif
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Proton, probably 95 is fine.

QUOTE(ar188 @ Dec 4 2014, 09:54 AM)
er.... u mechanical engineer? hmm.gif from where wan?
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Uni of Lolyat?
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post Dec 4 2014, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Dec 4 2014, 10:18 AM)
Beep beep..fellow engineer passing through..just checking out how many mechanical engineers in /k..
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I have to admit I'm an electrical and not a mech lol.
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post Dec 5 2014, 04:08 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Dec 5 2014, 12:18 AM)
while many mechanical theory stating this statement, many have fail to explain why they feel the extra power when driving around with a toyota VVTI with RON97, including me

#facts
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I can't even tell the difference between a stock GT-86 and one with a tuned Tomei exhaust in terms of performance. The general rule is that most people can't sense a difference in power till it hits the 10 percent power mark.

Your butt dyno must be incredibly sensitive.

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