Finally...drop by kimbell jaya to pick up my vigor n see2 look2 ard any racun bikes n stuff...jimmy told me they hv only 3 more units left n theres no more stock fr supplier till december...maybe then 2016 modeĺ....gosh...
Saw a red speed 8 on display...much better than white n green.....but jetstream caught my attention but kena dig deep to my wallet .....so ....maybe next time...😆😆

A Dahon Vector P20 is about 6K if they import in. It's about USD1600. Look at the picture of the P20, see any difference apart from the gearings?  Even the wheelset is almost the same and that's RM6000. If you get the Vigor for RM2.2K, add another 1K for modding to P20 specs, that's only 3.2K for a Vector P20. Almost 3K cheaper than one. Even a Dahon X27 or X30 is possible. The wheelset is only 1.5K extra.

i would go for vigor like ettige said before.price wise and performance wise the vigor seems solid and better performance.

i was scouting for vigor before as the frame same like vector but ended up with verge p9 2nd.that time dahon switching their malaysia distributor from lerun to guan chow.so by that time no vigor in stock!

if u considering to upgrade for 451 wheelset, do consider the c-brakes as it does give u a better braking power compare to v-brake..

Hi D3vilsim...sifu etigge ady answerd all ady...hehe.....4 upgrades u can look 4 sifu etigge to do it 4 u as i currently tide up w work n will send him my bike once ada chance go kl.....but 4 time being my vigor only done less than 10 km!😂

here is the comparison


i hope the picture is clear enough

yup, 451 still consider as 20" although some said as 22".nevertheless, its still 20 and not 22 as xds afb710 is 22" folding bike

sorry...never tried java b4....but i think dahon folding is much more compact...
as 4 vigor n mu feel....lebih kurang saja 4 me la😁😁

Let me explain 20 inch (406) and 22 inch (451). The numbers in bracket is the figure in millimeters for the diameter of the rim where the bead of the tires rest. Both are classified as 20 inch just like the 16 inch rims where 349 is used for Bromptons and 305 for other models. Both are classified as 16 inch. First you have to consider what terrain are you using your bike? If it sometimes goes a little gravel roads or some slight offroading or into some fields, then 451 is not suitable as the tires are quite limited to slimmer or slicks (botak kind). They are meant for low resistance tires like road bikes. The less resistance compensates  the same effort needed for a smaller 406 but off course a 406 with slick tires are much easier to pedal. There are pros and cons, eg.

When we were riding Sekinchan to Sungai Besar, we decided to use the coastal road hugging the beach and this road is like those in rubber estate, offroad! Those on slicks finds it more challenging and has to keep more attention to riding where else those on bigger 406 tires with bigger treads just cruise over it. Then when going through wet or muddy patches, 406 with bigger tires triumps over those on 451s due to the lack of treads on 451 tires. So, like I said, priority must be ascertain before you jump onto the wagon.

As for the choice of bikes, that's totally your choice. Again your priority, if budget is a constraint, then go for the Java. It seems to have everything but if you ride more seriously and join other groups, I can bet you that you will eventually change as you improve. It's not a bad bike, even XDS also copied their design. But Dahon is more expensive for a reason. The MU is a proven frame compared to the Vigor, in fact the dolphin design of the MU  is the most copied design by other makes. Java FIT on the other hand, IMO, has disc brakes which have lower performing brakes than the V-brakes of the Dahons (most mechanical disc brakes are anyway), have much wider fold, hard to put it in a bag, shorter wheelbase which makes riding more twitchy (but can be gotten used to) , a wider front fork as it uses 100 mm hubs and much heavier. Dahon Vigor has a conventional chain stay which makes the frame stronger and also the geometry a better ride though. The best is still the Dahon Speed. Even Joshua Hon from Tern claims that before.

I suggest you just buy one on impulse and ride, only then you can understand what it feels like and where your priority lies. Before that, whatever we say here doesn't really mean much. I have on so many instances suggest something but when they head to a local bike shop, they go for another.  It makes it easier to change bike if you go for Dahon because later stages if you want to change, regardless of whether it is a mountain bike, roadbike or better foldie, it's easier to sell.

+1 

The older version in red is still available in Kimbell Jaya but not Taiwan made as per circa 2011 but made in China.  The newer green/white is actually the same chromoly frame, only colour different. Better tires also with Schwalbe Marathons.

Hi D3vilsim,

I have a java fit and dahon route which is around the same price. From my experience, java is easier for a beginner as it have wider gear ratio. 52/42 with 11/32 which you can go faster and easier to climb hills.
As for dahon route, the gear ratio of 52 wirh 14/28 is a narrow and you tend to struggle in climbing hills.
I've let my friends who just started riding bicycle to test both bicycle and all of them choose java fit over dahon route.
I like dahon route folding mechanism. It's easier to fold and it feels really solid. The frame are longer and it feels better for me to cycle. I can stand up and pedal with more confidence than java fit. However with such a narrow gear range, it just don't perform as it should be. Unless you upgrade the gear set components. It's like a unpolished jewel.
As I need another bike, I've consider dahon speed but with that kind of price I can get a java IRA 451 cromoly body with carbon fork and comes with 18 speed. Body frame are longer and it's much more stable than java fit.
What beginner need is a wider gear range so that we can cover more terrain. But as your leg gets stronger, you do not need such a low gear anymore. As for me, given me a dahon route, I can climb the same hills with more joy compare to the first time I'm using it.
As for upgrading a dahon to dual chain ring, it didn't make your bike faster, it only makes your bike climb hills easier.

I went with Vigor because:

1. First I ruled out Speed as I don't want to worry about rust, and don't mind the little hasher ride of aluminium body of Vigor/Mu.
2. Second, between Vigor and Mu, I prefer Vigor's design, and also it has chainstay with benefits mentioned by ettige and azamunekurone.

So.................................. Simple     

First rule is comfort when riding. That means, the contact points which are your saddle, bar grips and pedals, in that order. Once your butt ache, that's practically the end of your ride for that day. It will take some time to ease the pain. So, get suitable saddle. Sadly, in our country, you cannot return your saddle if it is not right. In my case, I have bought 7 saddles except Brooks (why I still can't comprehend) already. Started with Selle Royal , those big big ones (thought they are comfy but are not) , then slimmer ones and then Fizik Gobi, then Morgaw Trium , then back to Selle Royal Dardo and then finally I got one that suits me, A CHEAP 50 BUCKS one.   I bought 3 of those and keep. So now I have a whole bike of expensive components but a 50 bucks saddle   

Contact also means a good riding gloves. Yes, gloves are not only for protection but also for grip easing so you won't get numb!

I suggest you get the bike first and start riding. Slowly you will know what you want to upgrade.

My first 2-3 rides, my butt aches. I have not been riding bicycle for many years before that.

Because of that, I was planning to change the saddle. After weekly rides for about 1-2 months, the stock saddle doesn't bother me at all now. Its comfortable enough for me now. So I didn't change.

Another thing that bothers me at first is the Neos twist shifter. So I decided to change it. I bought the shifter, but no time to change until now. haha... By now I've learned to adapt to it so its not as annoying as before. I will change it soon....

So basically I've not change anything. But I've added speed and cadence sensor, bottle cage, front and rear LED light, side mirror, saddle bag, and a bell  .

Ahh.. Under such circumstances, you should get the one which give you the most macam yes riding look 

Who is Tommy?    According to Kimbell Jaya, the IOS has brake problems.  The hydraulic disc brake ( Yes, hydraulic    ) is problematic. Jimmy replaced a Shimano set for the one he sold the other day. No extra charge.

consider u like to backpacking later, the 24" are quite big rather than 20".20" can slip nicely into buses or others.

besides, tubes are hard to find at village small bike shop compare to town.

thats my 2 cents only

Dear Sifus,

I plan to buy a decent folding bike for exercise / leisure. My budget is ~ RM1.5K.
After doing some research, I scale down my choices to these 2 bikes
1. Dahon Vybe D7
2. Java Fit S16
I'm not sure I will upgrades the parts in the future or whether the parts can be upgrade or not ? I noticed everyone recommend Dahon Speed D8 here. It is worth to stretch my budget to get speed. Please help !! TQ

At that budget look for XDS or below I guess.