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TSFusion|007
post Nov 23 2014, 10:01 PM, updated 12y ago

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Hi, i'm looking for a good DSLR for cinematography
I heard that the Canon EOS 60D is one of the best in its category?
Is there anymore recommendations from other film makers?

and does anyone have tips on equipment for filming? thanks in advance smile.gif
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post Nov 23 2014, 10:08 PM

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There's no limit to using DSLR or even non-DSLR for cinematography.

Take Sony for example, they have great stuff too whether DSLR or not.

It all depends on what's your budget and what kind of concept you're going for. You'll be surprised how a single prime lens, entry level SLR (or not) and a tripod can do if you know your stuff.
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post Nov 23 2014, 11:11 PM

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Thats true, but it doesnt answer my question..
i mean is there like a specialized DSLR just for filming?
cus i heard some are not so ideal for taking films
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post Nov 23 2014, 11:19 PM

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These were your questions.

I heard that the Canon EOS 60D is one of the best in its category?
Is there anymore recommendations from other film makers?
and does anyone have tips on equipment for filming?

my reply.....

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There's no limit to using DSLR or even non-DSLR for cinematography


answering your first 2 questions.

while .....

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It all depends on what's your budget and what kind of concept you're going for. You'll be surprised how a single prime lens, entry level SLR (or not) and a tripod can do if you know your stuff.


answers your 3rd question.

Put it simple - how do provide you TIPS without knowing what you're filming?

It's like what cooking tips to give you without knowing what type of dish you're cooking?

That would turn out to be like giving advice on how to grill beef to perfection to someone who's attempting to make porridge.

So if you want advice or guidance, you have to be more specific.

Right now we don't know
1. your scope of production
2. your budget
3. your concept / idea

Like I mentioned earlier - You'll be surprised how a single prime lens, entry level SLR (or not) and a tripod can do if you know your stuff.

QUOTE(Fusion|007 @ Nov 23 2014, 11:11 PM)
Thats true, but it doesnt answer my question..
i mean is there like a specialized DSLR just for filming?
cus i heard some are not so ideal for taking films
erm, that wasn't what you asked. smile.gif as to your latest question - Canon 1DC? http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional...ameras/eos_1d_c

You don't need that to make good videos though.

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post Nov 23 2014, 11:50 PM

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Just make sure the camera has PASM for video mode. Especially full manual control. Canon 60D was probably the camera to go for in its time. Now you can go for Canon 70D. You can get a 2nd hand 600D to save money and learn on it. 600D is probably the best budget camera to learn video.

Panasonic Gh4 and Sony A7S are the most talked about cameras in this field but do cost a lot. While the Canon 5D mk3 is losing its edge in video it has produced amazing videos. A lot of youtube celebrates use Canon DSLRs.

Black Magic has a very cinematic cameras but require to master color grading. I don't think it will be easy to use these cameras.

But enough about the camera when the equipment like a fluid head tripod, slider, jib, light setup are the ones that really make the looks. And last but not least software for editing.

This post has been edited by Rice_Owl84: Nov 24 2014, 12:01 AM
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post Nov 24 2014, 12:38 AM

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60D would be best value if one purchases a used unit. It's not the best today but it's still capable of producing excellent videos.

2nd 600D would be limited in terms of ISO stops and white balance control.

I came by this a few weeks back. biggrin.gif Quite some detailed and interesting findings, Canon 5D3 was added to comparison here and there too.



Depending on what video you shoot, you may even use steering wheel-like contraption like they do. (btw he used EOS 60D)


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post Nov 24 2014, 01:12 AM

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Magic lantern would give you complete control over ISO stops and white balance.
I believe anyone who's using a 600D canon DSLR to do videography on a regular basis can benefit from magic lantern.

Just a fun fact,
FreddieW have long graduated from using a 60D.
Now he directs movies with Red Dragon Epic and scarlet. Instead of a driving wheel, they use a 100K automated 20m jib crane, Movi M10 and a Hexacopter drone.
Pretty much one of the best equipments for his needs money can buy.

That said, he started off with a camera worse than the one on your phone....

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That's why "USED" was used. biggrin.gif I haven't update myself on what he's using.

With productions like VGHS already in Season 3 - I doubt he's going to be using 60D anymore. Driving wheel is an example of contraption to use for videography.

Usually I won't touch on ML when it comes to video because not everyone's into modifying camera firmware, it also makes discussion a lot easier.


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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 24 2014, 01:16 AM)
That's why "USED" was used. biggrin.gif I haven't update myself on what he's using.

Usually I won't touch on ML when it comes to video because not everyone's into modifying camera firmware, it also makes discussion a lot easier.

With productions like VGHS already in Season 3 - I doubt he's going to be using 60D anymore.
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VGHS story is good.
However the cinematography has always been at a different level.
They're capturing at 4K RAW at 60FPS to capture the mood of FPS action scenes.

I understand that not everyone is into taking the risk of changing their camera firmware.
Regardless of how stable a mod is, most are still afraid of bricking their cameras.

For someone who's really into videography and uses a Canon DSLR though...
The advantage far outweighs the fear.
It is by no means a holy grail to videography, but it is a good (and free) tool that videographers cannot ignore.
In my humble opinion, I would say it's expected for them to at least try ML sooner or later.

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post Nov 24 2014, 10:12 AM

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For Cinematography or even Videography , I would suggest Canon 60D with investing better Glass Lens and DSLR stabilizer. And of course adjustable screen make you recording more easier. tongue.gif
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post Nov 24 2014, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(Michael_Lee @ Nov 24 2014, 10:12 AM)
For Cinematography or even Videography , I would suggest Canon 60D with investing better Glass Lens and DSLR stabilizer. And of course adjustable screen make you recording more easier. tongue.gif
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depends on what you shoot actually.

I had stabilizer before, Merlin Steadicam, one of the early adopters. I bought it for some project but the project got cancelled, in the end it was never used.

Steadicam would be useful for certain forms of videography, for example wedding or events BUT not needed for other forms.

Story for example (shorts) may not require stabilizer, in fact a tripod would suffice and for more impact, a slider.

60D was great but now you can get other cameras for better high ISO recording.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 24 2014, 12:35 PM)
depends on what you shoot actually.

I had stabilizer before, Merlin Steadicam, one of the early adopters. I bought it for some project but the project got cancelled, in the end it was never used.

Steadicam would be useful for certain forms of videography, for example wedding or events BUT not needed for other forms.

Story for example (shorts) may not require stabilizer, in fact a tripod would suffice and for more impact, a slider.

60D was great but now you can get other cameras for better high ISO recording.
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Agree with you , and yeah forgot to mention sometimes i do wedding videography. So its important to me(quite). Im very interested to 70d mk ii too. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 25 2014, 12:27 AM

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There's no 70D Mk II. There's the 7D Mk II.
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post Nov 29 2014, 01:28 AM

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I started cinematography with a Oneplus One smartphone ...
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post Nov 29 2014, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Fusion|007 @ Nov 23 2014, 10:01 AM)
Hi, i'm looking for a good DSLR for cinematography
I heard that the Canon EOS 60D is one of the best in its category?
Is there anymore recommendations from other film makers?

and does anyone have tips on equipment for filming? thanks in advance smile.gif
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its all about content. given that you have the best camera to shoot but without an appealing story to tell, the viewers will lose interest in the first 1 minute. the most important part is how you edit your footage. if this is your first time using a dslr for filming, try using a canon 600D/650D/700D and slowly progress to the more expensive rig. however, don't underestimate these lower budget canon dslr because they can produce film like footages if you know how operate them. you don't need a high end camera and equipment to produce high quality film. you just need to be a good story teller.



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TSFusion|007
post Nov 30 2014, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(Michael_Lee @ Nov 24 2014, 10:12 AM)
For Cinematography or even Videography , I would suggest Canon 60D with investing better Glass Lens and DSLR stabilizer. And of course adjustable screen make you recording more easier. tongue.gif
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this is what i wanted lol
thanks tho
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post Nov 30 2014, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 23 2014, 11:19 PM)
These were your questions.

I heard that the Canon EOS 60D is one of the best in its category?
Is there anymore recommendations from other film makers?
and does anyone have tips on equipment for filming?

my reply.....
answering your first 2 questions.

while .....
answers your 3rd question.

Put it simple - how do provide you TIPS without knowing what you're filming?

It's like what cooking tips to give you without knowing what type of dish you're cooking?

That would turn out to be like giving advice on how to grill beef to perfection to someone who's attempting to make porridge.

So if you want advice or guidance, you have to be more specific.

Right now we don't know
1. your scope of production
2. your budget
3. your concept / idea

Like I mentioned earlier - You'll be surprised how a single prime lens, entry level SLR (or not) and a tripod can do if you know your stuff.
erm, that wasn't what you asked. smile.gif as to your latest question - Canon 1DC? http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional...ameras/eos_1d_c

You don't need that to make good videos though.
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i won't be using different cameras for different projects.
i only have money for 1 camera
that's why i didnt give any concept or idea about my LATEST project,
Im just asking for like a general DSLR made for cinematography
Yes all DSLR can be used, im just looking for a DSLR that many ppl use for cinematography in general
something like canon 60D la or 5D mark II.

for tips on equipment, please dont think too specific. everything can be said in general la
i dont have to say what im filming or smtg then only u can hive tips
you can recommend like stabilizer or sliders etc etc (these equipment i learnt from another person asking the same question)

So pls dn be too serious and specific, just here to ask generally
If you come from specific category in filming, tell me what your equipment is and give me tips for equipment that i should use for a specific category

sorry for long post and thanks a lot to the others

This post has been edited by Fusion|007: Nov 30 2014, 09:31 PM
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post Nov 30 2014, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(Fusion|007 @ Nov 30 2014, 09:29 PM)
i won't be using different cameras for different projects.
i only have money for 1 camera
that's why i didnt give any concept or idea about my LATEST project,
Im just asking for like a general DSLR made for cinematography
Yes all DSLR can be used, im just looking for a DSLR that many ppl use for cinematography in general
something like canon 60D la or 5D mark II.


ok well this one answered you long time ago. smile.gif

QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 24 2014, 12:38 AM)
60D would be best value if one purchases a used unit. It's not the best today but it's still capable of producing excellent videos.

2nd 600D would be limited in terms of ISO stops and white balance control.
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QUOTE(Fusion|007 @ Nov 30 2014, 09:29 PM)
for tips on equipment, please dont think too specific. everything can be said in general la
i dont have to say what im filming or smtg then only u can hive tips
you can recommend like stabilizer or sliders etc etc (these equipment i learnt from another person asking the same question)

So pls dn be too serious and specific, just here to ask generally
If you come from specific category in filming, tell me what your equipment is and give me tips for equipment that i should use for a specific category
Like I mentioend earlier, you're like asking people to recommend something for cooking but not being specific on what to cook.

Videography is a very wide subject, there are so many tips out there but when you are not specific people don't even want to spend time to contribute. You're already fortunate to have some of us give you some pointers here. biggrin.gif

You will get better response if you show a video or ask something more specific. If not it's just hoping for some people with free time to post something.

The good tips on this thread for you to pick up are those mentioned by rice, legend and cine.

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Anyway to get things rolling.

Camera - any that does video will do, SLR, ILC, compact whatever...........
Lenses - depends on your scene. Wide to capture all, mid / tele for depth of field and focus.
Equipment
- stabilizer for movement (eg wedding, property) best mounted with wide lens.
- crane, usually with wide lens
- dolly / slider, usually with wide lens BUT slider with telephotpo / macro can be used for nice effects.

Check out the video below that I did with the Panasonic GF3 and 14-42mm F3.5-5.6 ASPH OIS lens, moving effects using slider.



- monopod, good for going around in events. Allows you to pivot around while maintaining height.
- tripod, this one needs no explanation. If no tripod, use a chair or table. the video below was taken with Canon EOS 60D with EF 50mm f1.4, camera on tripod. Light using handphone.


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post Nov 30 2014, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 30 2014, 09:59 PM)
ok well this one answered you long time ago. smile.gif
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Like I mentioend earlier, you're like asking people to recommend something for cooking but not being specific on what to cook.

Videography is a very wide subject, there are so many tips out there but when you are not specific people don't even want to spend time to contribute. You're already fortunate to have some of us give you some pointers here. biggrin.gif

You will get better response if you show a video or ask something more specific. If not it's just hoping for some people with free time to post something.

The good tips on this thread for you to pick up are those mentioned by rice, legend and cine.

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Anyway to get things rolling.

[b]Camera - any that does video will do, SLR, ILC, compact whatever...........
Lenses - depends on your scene. Wide to capture all, mid / tele for depth of field and focus.
Equipment
- stabilizer for movement (eg wedding, property) best mounted with wide lens.
- crane, usually with wide lens
- dolly / slider, usually with wide lens BUT slider with telephotpo / macro can be used for nice effects.

Check out the video below that I did with the Panasonic GF3 and 14-42mm F3.5-5.6 ASPH OIS lens, moving effects using slider.



- monopod, good for going around in events. Allows you to pivot around while maintaining height.
- tripod, this one needs no explanation. If no tripod, use a chair or table. the video below was taken with Canon EOS 60D with EF 50mm f1.4, camera on tripod. Light using handphone.

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this is what i was looking for, thanks!!

 

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