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 Property Bubble Burst or Deflate ? V14 (发), Cherroy Most Forwarded Thread

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post Dec 1 2014, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 1 2014, 10:26 AM)
What you have or made is none of my concern as you won't be sharing with me, likewise for what I have and made. Further, you don't have the facts either.

History has showed time and time again. All bull run will end in crisis, most if not all punters will end up worst off than the beginning, kV property is no exception. During the bull run, every punters think they are gold finger could turn stone into gold with a touch.
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U haven't manage to quote an example of prop crisis in history repeated for the same reason leh....... whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Dec 1 2014, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 1 2014, 10:23 AM)
New DSR starts august 2013.. all loans prior are lockednow or under con with DIBS..o0o...

How much they want to sell not a confirmed sell dumb..  alwait til next cost fly di.. RPGT no need pay di?
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Buy direct no need pay RPGT....... U says that...... So fast forget?? tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Dec 1 2014, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 1 2014, 10:18 AM)
Hello take it or leave it is more than 10k joint.. 15 k is rare occasion.. mostly coming from side income.. like you settle one file and get money..

And we really has 200k joint.. we need to prove? Seen nth.. my side good di.. land titles.. fd... ability to loan clean ccris..
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Now u kno crris don't reflect your side income or not?? Still die die thinking ccris is so big deal?? On one hand u yourself say mostly your income come from side income..... On the other hand keep banging on ppl can't show ccris report or look down on others low income...... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

U think in market only u hav side income??? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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Bbw...... U hav been sleeping for too long already...... Please wake up from your dreams...... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Dec 1 2014, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 1 2014, 12:08 AM)
u famously di midfields 2 vs SEH investors... you are their joke  tongue.gif
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Real Joker always sees everything as a joke..... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Dec 1 2014, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 16 2014, 06:01 PM)
Forum member post with sense :clap"

By Showtime747

@bearbearwong is a very interesting forum member in LYN. His behaviour brought us lots of fun and at the same time, he showed us many things which we should avoid. There are many mistakes he made, and below are 6 mistakes made by bearbear which I think home buyers and investors alike can "learn" from him and avoid them in their future purchases :

Mistake #1 Confused objective
bearbear's intention to buy a property is for own stay. For own stay, the objective is totally different from investment. For own stay, it is 1 of the 4 daily needs (clothing, food, dwelling and transport). Just like clothing, food and transport, we buy a house when we need it (like marriage). We should not delay because it is our need. We can always choose a budget that suits us. But bearbear wanted designer cloth and BMW instead of something more affordable. He wanted those mid-high end housing >RM600k instead of those RM300k+ which is his actual affordable budget.

Moreover, for own stay, the future rise and fall of market price does not affect him. He still have to own the house if the market price increase by 100%. He can't sell it for profit otherwise he has no roof over his head. Likewise, if the market falls by 50%, he will not sell either. A house for own stay is a need, not an investment which could turn into profit or loss due to price movement
Mistake #2 Buying a property is a 1 time decision
bearbear thought that buying a house is a 1 time decision (like marriage). But in fact, almost everyone have the opportunity to upgrade their house in the future. Therefore, we should buy a property based on our own financial ability at that time. We should not think that we will be stuck with a property for whole life. We can always sell it and upgrade to a better property in the future. Thinking buying a property and will stay in it for the rest of you life will make your purchase decision very difficult
Mistake #3 Timing the market
Nobody knows the timing of market ups and downs. It applies to any market including stock and property. So, it is foolish to time the market for best price. Instead, the best time to buy a property is when you are financially ready and comfortable. Timing the market is like gambling. If you time the market wrongly, the loss is substantial. Just like the DDDs for the last 5-6 years, they have missed the great opportunity of riding the super bull run which has never been seen in malaysia property market history

Over long term, in malaysia property market history, market price will increase between 5%-10% pa on long term average. So, in 20 years time and beyond, the property will appreciate at least 3 times. Of course, there are ups and downs during the 20 years period, but if a person holds a long term view, the price is on an upward linear trend as history has shown us
Mistake #4 want to wear too big a hat
bearbear's salary is only RM4k gross. His saving is only RM40k. But he aspire to buy property in the region of RM600k-RM700k. He has over-stretched his budget. The result would be catastrophic. A property buyer should not over-stretch their financial ability, unless he has backup from PAMA or spouse. With RM4k salary, bearbear should only be looking at property in the region of RM300k-RM400k. However, he even take into account his 3 credit card limit of RM50k in choosing his target property. Using credit card as part of the deposit is plainly a foolish decision

Be truthful to yourself. Weigh your financial ability objectively. Face and social status will be down the drain when repo man knocks on your door.
Mistake #5 getting influenced by his working life
bearbear has a "hazardous" job. His repomen job forces him to meet people who failed financially everyday. When he sees people bankrupt day in day out, he is influenced by them and giving him an impression that many people are facing financial trouble. This could have lead him to believe that most people are not prudent in their financial management and hence, most property buyers are vulnerable to fail. His mindset has become negative and pessimistic. Causing him to read any news and deduce his own findings negatively.

His world becomes doom and gloom and market will crash soon. He cannot see the market objectively anymore. As such, his market outlook causes him to think crash is coming and he should delay his purchase decision.

Property purchase is 1 of our biggest decision. We should be more objective when making such decision. Try to get advice from as many people as possible instead of being influenced by people around you.
Mistake #6 wish the environment to come down to meet his wants instead of working towards achieving his wish
He already has a job. He can work hard to improve his income. If he works towards improving his income by double to RM8k, buying the property of his choice is no more an issue. However, instead of working hard to achieve higher income, he blame the market instead. He whine about the UUU, the flippers, the government etc for causing the price to inflate exponentially until his current salary could not afford.

Instead of working hard, he spend a big proportion of his productive time from 7am - 12 midnight in the forum argue with the UUU and other property buyers. He did not realise he is spending his time unproductively and will not help in his career. He should have use his productive time to work towards how to achieve better career path instead.

We should always bear in mind in this cruel world, nothing will come to you unless you make an effort to achieve it. Ie. there is no free lunch and complaining wouldn't help you get what you wish
I am sure there are more bearbear's mistakes which we can learn. Feel free to add on
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Jus happen to saw this write out...... Very well written.....

I got a point to add......

Lying to himself........ Real DDD vs an unhappy house seeker
Bbw was never a real DDD to start off with....... He was seeking for a house which he soon realize housing price keep going up, his budget got stuck and etc...... Got unhappy with the housing price up surge, missed the boat....... From that he swifted his thoughts into seeing prop price surge too fast, it has to come down and etc...... Lying to himself so as to able to convince his gf with all negative factors. Evidents hav shown and proven that his knowledge and logic are all nonsensical comments....... He do not hav any knowledge to start off as a Real DDD...... Thus he is jus a very very unhappy first time house seeker..... Resulting complaining complaining and complaining of high housing price only......

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Dec 1 2014, 01:56 PM)
Bro bear mentioned he has land titles. Too bad not his.
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He was eyeing the land probably after realize the high prop price...... tongue.gif

He really lost words to rebuke already..... Now keep trolling in other thread liao...... Tried to bring him back...... He seems do not dare to come here liao...... Gonna spoilt other ppl thread...... doh.gif doh.gif

Here everybody seen him naked already..... laugh.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(musteng @ Dec 1 2014, 05:20 PM)
My gf and i not even middle income people. We have no knowledge on property investment or share market this and that. We don't have such complicated mind on future property market.
And now we own 2 properties that we are affordable & very satisfied with that.
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Simplicity is good....... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Don't got corrupted by bbw..... Reading his comments as reading humors jokes will do...... tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 1 2014, 04:39 PM)
ceh, all inflated X +200k are for won stay what... kids also know... must be X +200k only own stay maa...

U want to take debt unnecessarily meh? suddenly down, feel like idiot
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No wonder la....... Kids see it in that way that's why didn't buy anything until now...... nod.gif nod.gif

Luckily I'm not kid that's why don't kno it's so call "inflated"....... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 1 2014, 04:05 PM)
business as usual . is the share normal or not? I no idea of these, if bad times really come please give us the heads up
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Abnormal ppl see it abnormal...... tongue.gif tongue.gif

Normal ppl see it normal...... tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Dec 1 2014, 05:50 PM)
Can someone ask Bearbear to back here...he seem trolling in other thread..kena halau also don't wan come back hahah
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Calling him back whole day since late morning lor.....

Here he got strip naked already..... Maybe paisay to show up....... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 1 2014, 06:07 PM)
and score big time with trophy back
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U still wants to claim yourself adult or old man ah?? laugh.gif laugh.gif

U are jus like a kid playing a game which u do not kno the rules.... Then self claim u win the game..... laugh.gif laugh.gif



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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 1 2014, 07:24 PM)
A student working part time at ice cream kiosk, how far can be away from reality?
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Very far.......
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 1 2014, 06:58 PM)
Vanilla, chocolate or strawberry?
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Very naughty u....... But it shld be chocolate strawberry chocolate strawberry chocolate strawberry vanilla...... brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 1 2014, 06:46 PM)
superbly nice.... they also don't like to buy flipped properties... too BAD...  I am serious out of the 5-6 shops , 5 residential in penang and perak... all are not inflated..

recently, due to inflated products in G&G bugnlows, he rejects the flipped properties and bought non G&G which cost 1.5 m in taiping and settle.. see
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non g&g in taiping selling at RM1.5 mil already?? ohmy.gif ohmy.gif

If it's true...... U can call tat not inflated?? shocking.gif shocking.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 1 2014, 08:01 PM)
I dunno bunglow class, I think custom built are alwayls expensive I guess only
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Now u say u dunno..... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

Then why earlier post u say all not inflated?? doh.gif doh.gif

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post Dec 2 2014, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 1 2014, 08:52 PM)
dun troll lar, bursa one shot drop 48 points drop till mother also cannot recognise, be a human.. they all very down, dunno what strategy for tomorrow... sad.gif
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KNN...... Bringing out facts become troll??..... laugh.gif laugh.gif

U really geng!! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Dec 2 2014, 09:06 AM)
Which country is the highest then ??  whistling.gif

How much our debt ?  rolleyes.gif

Waiting for another kantoi..  laugh.gif
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Aiya..... Giv me a little time to search a piece of news I read few days back Gomen says the debt amt they hav is sap sap water..... Something like US few trillion, SG 1 trillion, malai only 5xx bil....... If my memory serve me right..... tongue.gif tongue.gif

Or anybody hav came across??

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 2 2014, 01:37 AM)
I wanted to ask this share my office partners today same tension like that day in oct when drop 32 points, i was thinking today only 48 points, we bursa still have 1800, drop like this not so bad ...

will it affect economy ?
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Forget about all your current friends, partner or surrounding ppl info and knowledge la....... What u learn till date are all rubbish and useless already..... Proven your surrounding ppl can't help u on that..... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 2 2014, 02:11 AM)
@AppreciativeMan
since you like to collect quotes, suggest you to include this;

"until cash is in bank account, asking price is syok sendiri wet dream"
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I do what I wanted oh....... Why wants to listen to u?? whistling.gif whistling.gif

And I collect quotes that is funny..... tongue.gif tongue.gif

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