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post Nov 12 2014, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Nov 12 2014, 06:46 PM)
im not a vegeterian but feels bad knowing there aren't any other way to kill which does not involve pain.

so far, cheapest and economical methods are kinda gruesome.

they could opt for CO2 chamber. Animals dies from unconsciousness / asphyxiation
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ahahahaha.... u telling me gas chamber is a good method.. no wonder nazi love to use them rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

or have u tried putting plastic back over your head and breath normally? it comfortable? it is nice? That what it like to be in a CO2 chamber

go find online how they properly slaughter

most was using stunned method.. making them vegetative before slit throat

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post Nov 12 2014, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(olman @ Nov 12 2014, 06:54 PM)
dei 1 whole roast piglet mana?
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itu at home only... when sambut bride or groom come

but not tak ada or seldom ad.. mahal gila 1 ekor roasted pig
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post Nov 12 2014, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Nov 12 2014, 06:59 PM)
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this wan call what , this item is missing on your Chinese fried snack thread  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif
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lotus paste pastry

high kelas version of the lotus bun u can find at any food court laugh.gif

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post Nov 12 2014, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Nov 12 2014, 07:18 PM)
you should read up more. Willing to bet you're not from a science background.

Hypoxic atmospheres have been used as a method of animal slaughter in animals such as chickens, where it is known as controlled atmosphere killing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation

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http://www.mccruelty.com/CAKSlaughter.aspx
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how much u willing to pay? rm100? rm200? brows.gif brows.gif

i been to C02 refrigeration blast chamber.. i can tell u not the nicest feeling. U keep breath harder but cant and your head start to spin.. and that was just before the instructor come in with oxygen gas mask. What more it not even running full capabilities, if full blast u will die of chill and no air to breath. Nitrogen blast chamber is no different as well rolleyes.gif

now tell me, have u been in one? and know it like to be in one? How u know those animal not suffering?

have those inspector went in an test for themselves?

peta is shit.. ask one of them to enter and test how it is less cruel way of dying? If not cruel, those nazis wont kena charge of war crime liao for gas chamber

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post Nov 12 2014, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Nov 12 2014, 07:43 PM)
First off, do you even know what the nazi used in the gas chamber?
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first of all.. do u even know what it like to be in a gas chamber.. shakehead.gif

c02 and nitorgen is none poisonous but it didnt made suffering any better


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post Nov 12 2014, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Nov 12 2014, 07:43 PM)
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so whre my rm100 or rm200?
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post Nov 12 2014, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Nov 12 2014, 07:50 PM)
u talk as if you know so much about nazi gas chamber, but you can't tell me what gas they used?

I think you know nothing about how does carbon dioxide and nitrogen affect the nervous system of vertebrates. And no, I don't think you actually did went into any gas chamber.
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oh well it up to you to believe or not..

what gas they use? come on u want me to google for u izit?

like i mentioned, it a c02 refrigeration blast chamber, flash freezing if u must ask. Something most common in food industry although some for industrial refrigeratiion purpose although the safer option is using normal air. But c02 and nitrogen is for cooler temperature and as not oxidizing gas (that what they instructor say anyway...). To know the product, you need to experience it

So find one in nearby food processing plant and ask them to let u in... Then come back and tell how it like to be in minus the coldness
though u most likely will die by the coldness first laugh.gif

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post Nov 12 2014, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Nov 12 2014, 08:10 PM)
I know what it is, I'm asking you since you blabber on about nazi gas chamber.

Hey!, since you been to a processing plant to experience it. why don't you tell me which one you went to or you could recommend me a processing plant nearby. yea
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just go and ask.. why must i tell u whre to go. mine was at singapore.

try searching for company that specialize in refrigeration compressor, then u can get list of their client to ask to enter

unless u want to buy whole sytem.. there no reason for me to tell you in details rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 12 2014, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Nov 12 2014, 08:18 PM)
Wait, so you're saying that you never actually been inside an actual gas chamber that kills animals? ohmy.gif

You just went into something that you thought was similar to the actual one?
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it up to you to try... btw from the start i already told u it a blast chamber. i didnt say it used to kill

u can try to enter one and see if its kill you

though in china, I heard it been used that way.. throw chicken in, keluar sightly cold dead chicken. Whole new level of fast slaughtering. But like u say, it very humane way to die, so no issues

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post Nov 12 2014, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Nov 12 2014, 08:37 PM)
you do know that what you've been into is totally different from what I've been saying?

The flash freeze CO2 operates based on sublimation. Blocks of solid cold carbon dioxide is used to freeze things. You felt dizzy after a while is due to the fact that the solid CO2 sublimes to its gaseous state without any control.

Whereas the one that I've been saying is using GASEOUS carbon dioxide. Normal oxgen is replaced slowly with CO2 throughout the process which inevitably induces unconsciousness

Like I said, willing to bet you do not come from a scientific background. Please la dude, stop arguing for the sake of arguing. If you're wrong, you're wrong
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haiz.... nanti i cakap u bodoh nanti marah. BTw i from engineering background, can go find my previous post to confirm your suspicion. Btw how much u willing to pay ?

mana ada such thing as use solid co2 to do flash freezing.. not economical and its not a continuous process rolleyes.gif

go google find C02 as gas refrigerant

Nah here here something to learn about air refrigeration. Technically, air is the new trend, previously nitrogen and CO2 can be used. But it expensive to maintained since u have to keep the co2 and nitrogen in close cycle and constantly refilled. But it still used in small amount in those high end food processing company who say quality matters.

Thermal expansion cycle if is that not science like u say it is then i dunno what to say



Just to add, now i have serious doubt are you even from science/engineering background? U dont even know what is a blast freezer even though it easily googled, U think solid co2 instead gaseous like u empathized is used for industrial refrigeration which not true even if u food science student u should know this or medical since rumah mayat also dont use solid co2. Just to add again, co2 gas chamber have been used for killing as well although those are atmospherics and room temperature operation, what i been talking are under pressure and low temperature kind

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post Nov 12 2014, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Nov 12 2014, 09:06 PM)
my god, doh.gif you still don't get the whole point of what I'm trying to say.
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aiyo.. i dunno pls enlighten me on how solid co2 is used in blast freezing or in cool room or gas chamber etc etc

i been inside a cold room ok not technically a gas chamber which used co2 gas as gas refrigerant. cold CO2 mixed with air is pumped directly into the room on very low temperature. For safety reason, it ratio to air was lower to prevent black out of operators nearby, but u still can feel its effect well enough

under operation, it higher meaning more co2 to air. Because the higher ratio, the more efficient the system is

Just to add, now i have serious doubt are you even from science/engineering background? U dont even know what is a blast freezer even though it easily googled, U think solid co2 instead gaseous like u empathized is used for industrial refrigeration which not true even if u food science student u should know this or medical since rumah mayat also dont use solid co2. Just to add again, co2 gas chamber have been used for killing as well although those are atmospherics and room temperature operation, what i been talking are under pressure and low temperature kind

Even i not from science background like u say, i think i more a better google warrior than you laugh.gif

anyway, i also dont want play with you any longer.. somehow u claimed u know better but the fact u give me are just wrong or incorrect by nature. If you really want to know what it like to suffocate, just put a bag on your head, if want more realism, u can buy those c02 fire extinguisher and pump it into the plastic bag, that what i fel back then.

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