CRH 2 (CKD Kawasaki train from Japan)



Further development by the Chinese

CRH2C (2008), with two versions: the C1 to 300 km/h (6M 2T), and C2 to 350 km/h (8M)



Later, two types spawned from this same platform

CRH380A (2010), capable of 380 km/h operation



CRH2H (2014)



This post has been edited by Kampung2005: Nov 11 2014, 10:59 PM

CRH3 (Velaro CN from Siemens)



Further development by the Chinese

CRH380B (18% component from Siemens)



CRH380BL (no longer has Siemens component, electrical component came from Hitachi, and with new nose design)

I thought China design and build their bullet trains from scratch, looks like quite a lot of tech transfer from Europe and japan

China earlier indigenous attempt of building own HSR from scratch was not reliable...



Thus in later stage, China decided to buy HSR trains from four companies, such as Kawasaki, Bombardier, Alstom and Siemens, all with condition of having technology transfer.

With that technology transfer, China able to develop its own high-speed train competency...

Im curious, why TGV or SKS not using magnet?

in term of practicality? entire lane magnet which gonna be very very expensive, and maintaining super conductor temperature?

whats their next generation bullet train?

You mean maglev?

I cannot talk about TGV because the French didn't develop maglev at this point.

For Shinkansen, the maglev technology wasn't mature and economical until recently. The Japanese had been researched maglev since 1970's...

Only recently Japan starting serious attempt in building commercially viable maglev line (Chuo Shinkansen) as more economic method of cooling had been found.

http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXNASDD220GG_S3A121C1TJ2000/

Not sure, though currently they are producing newer models of CRH...

Japan’s Kawasaki says China copied bullet train technology
Apr 15, 2013 John Hofilena Business 16 Comments

Japan’s Kawasaki says China copied bullet train technology
China, home of the world’s largest market for trains, has been busy creating a high-speed train network over the past few years – buying High-Speed Rail (HSR) technology from global train innovators such as Germany, France and Japan to put up what is now the largest HSR network in the world. The failed technology transfer deal with Japanese rail giants Kawasaki Heavy Industries (KHI) was one such deal, an agreement that the Japanese are now regretting as they say that Chinese engineers have allegedly stolen bullet train technology and are about to sell it to the world for cheap.

KHI are the makers of Japan’s legendary bullet train, or shinkansen, one of the world’s fastest, safest, and most efficient high-speed trains. KHI signed a technology transfer contract with CSR Sifang, builders of China’s impressive HSR network, with the agreement that China’s use of the blueprints to develop high-speed railway cars would be limited to domestic applications only. “We didn’t think it was not risky,” KHI’s Harada Takuma, who worked on the Chinese collaboration, said. “But we took on the project because terms and conditions under the tech transfer should have been binding. We had a legal agreement; we felt safe,” Takuma added. But the deal seemed to have backfired on KHI in the worst possible way, as now China is currently poised to make a profit out of the technology. KHI maintains that not only did China copy the technology – they have recently patented remarkably similar high-speed-rail (HSR) tech – CSR Sifang now wants to sell their new trains to the world – claiming it as Chinese.

European and Japanese train-makers are now set to be one-upped by the Chinese, as they will be selling their HSR technology for relatively cheaper. Japan, whose prices would have been the lowest in the market before this, will now be undercut by CSR in selling their trains almost 50% cheaper. Chinese authorities see no problems at all on their end. Beijing claims that China developed its own HSR technology by “digesting” Japanese and German technologies and making it better. In fact, a spokesman of the Ministry of Railways was recently asked if the trains were mere knock-offs. He asserted that China’s HSR was very much superior to Japan’s shinkansen – he said that the two trains “cannot be mentioned in the same breath.”

Which Chinese model got derailed before?

The Wenzhou train collision in 2011 was not about problems with the trains. It was a signalling and management failure.

So they made a bad combination choice?

The train model that was derailed? CRH380A? Isn't that the Japanese Shinkansen variant?

On the other hand the original Shinkansen did not have a single derailment before since it's first operation.(correct me if I'm wrong)

Actually the Wenzhou incident was not a derailment on its own, it was a rear collision. The front train already stalled so they should tell the back train to slow down drastically. The Management had warned the back train but somehow not properly followed. I think the back driver was relying totally on the computer display which was showing wrong info because of the signalling failure. A simple phone call to the back train driver by the front train driver would have easily prevented the accident.

Damn the chinese is good. Not content of pirating electronic consumer products and goods they now even pirating High Speed Trains!

Angry bird

quickest way to succeed.

Apple?

Wow China train is 50% cheaper than the rest? Its a no brainer which one we should use in our HSR

But please do study on maintenance cost etc as well

Japanese also reverse engineer western tech when they just started..look where they now

The Japanese train enginering has their roots from Edo period. When Commodore Perry (of the famous 'Kurofune' or Black Ship)came to Japan the second time ,he brought with him a toy train set as gift to the Emperor. Local forgers and artisans soon enough learned about these 'White Demon Wonder'.