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post Sep 15 2006, 11:48 AM

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waaa just moved to V2 and already 3 pages notworthy.gif

QUOTE(EuJax @ Sep 15 2006, 01:09 AM)
Just to share some of my turtles... smile.gif
Cheers.
p/s dont know what happen, it double posted.
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wow seems that you too are in the track of establishing a turtle farm tongue.gif
BTW, i saw some plants in your aquarium. what type of plants are they? floating or planted types?

a question just popped up in my head
for turtles, since they spend most of their time in water, do i need a long uvb fluroscent to cover the whole length of the tank, or just over the basking area?
i was thinking, can the turtles shell benefit from the uvb rays if their in the water?
hemm smile.gif

QUOTE(titansulcata @ Sep 15 2006, 08:28 AM)
i tried google and found some old news

Star tortoise smuggling has declined, authorities claim

Wednesday, Sep 28, 2005
http://www.hindu.com/2005/09/28/stories/2005092816810300.htm

P. Oppili

Authorities seized 3,300 of the reptiles till September this year

CHENNAI: While wildlife activists express serious concern over the smuggling of star torrtoises, official statistics show that there has been a decrease in the number of cases of smuggling in the last two years. However, the number of star tortoises seized has gone up, officials claim.

The Wildlife officials have rescued 3,065 star tortoises during 2003 and the number has come down to 1,012 last year. Till September this year, the authorities have seized 3,300 star tortoises from the exit points and those abandoned.

The change is attributed to the increased vigil at the exit points such as airport and seaport.

The Wildlife authorities say that all the security agencies in both these places were well aware of the smuggling.

Hence, the security has been tightened at the exit points, they said.

However, they agreed that adequate protection is needed in the forest areas from where the specimens are collected systematically.

More in Chittoor

It is commonly believed that star tortoises are found abundantly in forests of Chittoor in Andhra Pradesh; from there they are brought to the city and then smuggled to Singapore and Malaysia.

However, the officials say the tortoises are found in Pudukottai and Ramanathapuram districts in Tamil Nadu and also in a few forest areas in Karnataka.

The star tortoises are collected between mid-January and February and from mid-July to November.

Authorities note that most of the seized star tortoises were collected from the wild.

But, one consignment of star tortoises recently seized by them led to the suspicion that the reptiles could have been hand-reared, as their shells were softer than the ones from the wild.

The star tortoises are sought for many reasons - to be used in traditional Chinese medicine, as a delicacy in South East Asian nations or to be reared as pets in the West.

The shells of adult reptiles are also used for making ornamental boxes, the authorities said.

Star tortoise smuggling `kingpin' in custody of wildlife authorities

Friday, Nov 25, 2005
http://www.hindu.com/2005/11/25/stories/2005112515060300.htm

Staff Reporter

Narayanan of Tondiarpet allegedly bought them from Andhra Pradeshshikaris

# Each specimen would fetch about Rs. 300
# `Star tortoises were smuggled mainly to be reared as pets'

CHENNAI: Wildlife department officials in the city have arrested the `kingpin' of the star tortoise smuggling racket to Malaysia in the last couple of years.

The wildlife authorities said Customs officials summoned R. Narayanan (25) of Tiruvalluvar Nagar, Tondiarpet, in connection with a drug smuggling case.

When they found out that he was not involved in the case they were handling, but was involved in the smuggling of star tortoises, they informed the Wildlife authorities, who took custody of Narayanan.

Preliminary investigation by the Wildlife authorities revealed that Narayanan used to buy star tortoises from `shikaris' from Madanapalli in Andhra Pradesh, who collected the reptiles from the wild.

The Wildlife authorities said that each specimen would fetch about Rs 300, and were mainly sent to Malaysia. From Malaysia the reptiles would go to different destinations including Singapore and the U.S. They were smuggled mainly to be reared as pets, Narayanan told the officials.

Last year, he had received a consignment of 650 star tortoises from the shikaris of Andhra Pradesh and this year he received two consignments - 350 and 660. So far, he had purchased 1,660 star from the shikaris, which he then tried to smuggle to Malaysia through the carriers.

However, the consignments were seized at the airport and other places, the wildlife authorities said.

It was for the first time the authorities arrested a person directly involved in the smuggling of star tortoises.

A senior officer said, "With the arrest of one of the kingpins, more and more information about star tortoise smuggling should come to light."
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im in a dilemma of morality here.
if i support the smugglers, than im endangering the lives of those poor baby stars (hundereds packed in one box vmad.gif )
but if i dont support the smugglers, by the time i am ready to get a star, the price would sure increase like hell (due to stricter laws) tongue.gif

heheh
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post Sep 18 2006, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Sep 15 2006, 12:51 PM)
It is recommended to do so, meaning use a long uvb tube to cover the whole tank and open it 24/7 since it can help giving some UVB to the turtles.
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So this means the uvb rays CAN penetrate water la?

QUOTE(UPM_Parasite @ Sep 15 2006, 05:43 PM)
Yo just wan upload some tortoise table that i find from net :
table 001
table 002
Table 003
Toxic Plants!!!!

sulcata

leopord

Have a fun!!!  whistling.gif
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need to learn botany in order to recognize the plants (satupun aku tak kenal) rclxub.gif

QUOTE(UPM_Parasite @ Sep 15 2006, 07:58 PM)
now got 1 good new 1 bad new......

Good new = i wan change my fella to Yin Yin and Yang Yang.... (it stand for yin yang in chinese culture)  drool.gif
Bad new = i just separate with my gf ( that y i chnage my tort name)  cry.gif
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Hope the bad news doesn't have anything to do with her being jealous of your tortoise shakehead.gif



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post Sep 18 2006, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Sep 18 2006, 02:19 AM)
Nah, its not me. I just started this hobby roughly 1 year back. And yeah, my small ally snapper and both my star tortoise jem and ringgo already been with me for 1 year. wub.gif
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Only started last year and already you have that much of a collection? Guess this is what they say "Love at first sight" tongue.gif
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post Sep 19 2006, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Sep 18 2006, 10:42 PM)
Your RES looks more like a florida slider because of the yellowish colour. Anyway welcome to the club.  thumbup.gif
Owh, those 2 in same tank is ally snapper. The one alone in the tank is the common snapper. Got other meh ? Got 3 oni woh, u said 4 ?

About the water based turtles, iinm they are painted terrapin, peacock turtle, side necked turtle and map turtles.
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are florida sliders considered RES? they look too yellowish to be RES
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post Sep 19 2006, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(meiteoh @ Sep 19 2006, 11:14 AM)
That is huge leh. My turtle hasn't even showed any signs of growth oso. >.< (He's fine and no progress/issues so no updates.)
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I think my two RES are growing fast. Last time i always scared they 'tersangkut' in the smalls openings of my driftwood. Now i notice they cannot even fit. smile.gif

QUOTE(titansulcata @ Sep 19 2006, 12:05 PM)
my wife ah, still looking around for the watch. haven choose yet

but last weekend i got wat by her, she wat me to buy her 2 jigsaw puzzle with frame which cost nearly my sulcata. she said this is a warning. if i want more tortoise, i need to buy her gift valued roughly the same price as the tortoise

she must have think i print money sad.gif sigh
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waa, very dangerous, she memorizes the price. tongue.gif that's why nowadays when my wife ask the price that i spent, i always try to avoid or answer dishonestly sweat.gif

QUOTE(uzairi @ Sep 19 2006, 12:05 PM)
Nope, what i mean was his RES looks like a Florida Slider. They are both different sub species.
This is because the RES is given too much pellets. If u feed them with vege it wont grow that fast. Mind u if they grow that fast, they will die faster than a RES that grows normally.
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Currently, i've been only feeding my RES with turtle pellets and freeze dried bloodworms. Once in a while i drop in some snails that i find from my planted aquarium. i tried giving them vegies but they just leave them alone rclxub.gif . If what you say is true, then i would have to figure out something fast sad.gif

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post Sep 19 2006, 02:15 PM

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Was browsing some turtle websites, and noticed some recommending you to play with your turtles.Question is HOW DOES ONE PLAY WITH TURTLES?? shocking.gif
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post Sep 20 2006, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Sep 19 2006, 12:09 PM)
Women, they are like that. Jealousy, i always say to my gf if she treated me well i wont buy any new one. But she makes me angry and i buy each everytime she makes me mad. She cant say anything because we make a deal.
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herm, if i understood you correctly. total number of ttt = total number of fights with gf.
judging by the amount of ttt you have, wow that's a lot of fights tongue.gif
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post Sep 20 2006, 09:09 AM

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some of you may remember that i posted several concerns about the condition of the shells of my two baby RES. Well after doing some more research, and closer inspection of the shell, i have finally concluded they are both suffering from soft shell (metabolic bone disease).
I read that this is due to lack calcium/calcium phospateratio or/and lack of vitamin D3.
i feed them daily in the morning (80% of the time with JBL calcil sticks) and once a week i give them the azoo calcium phospate supplement. I think the calcium intake is sufficient. the culprit most probably is lack of vit D3. i dont have any vit D3 supplement, have yet to buy the uvb flourescent, and scared of sunning them outside under the sun.
anyone experienced this before?
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post Sep 20 2006, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(dai86 @ Sep 20 2006, 09:13 AM)
u give them eat small small ikan bilis or those small small udang kering. thats my RES diet last time and they growing fine. sometimes have to put them for sunbath too~ (put them in a container, fill with cukup cukup water , not too many till they can came out and not too little till the water will warm cause sunshine,, some dry place with shade, that will do it) (wat i did last time)~
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are ikan bilis and udang kering for calcium or D3? blink.gif
do you guys know what types of food contain D3?

QUOTE(meiteoh @ Sep 20 2006, 10:06 AM)
Sayasebudak: Why don't you just get a small fish tank (those plastic ones), put some rocks to make the water level slightly different on one end and sun them for like half an hour to an hour with half of the tank in the sun and the other half in the shade during the weekends?

I try and sun Tortue at least once a week, if not I feed him lots of calcium rich stuff. But I still make sure he sees the sun once to twice a week for 45 mins.
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Will definitely sunbath them every weekend from now on. Wouldn't the plastic aquarium become too hot? sweat.gif
when sunbathing, do you guys put the turtles directly under sunlight (in the open), or indirectly (under porch,tree,etc)

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post Sep 20 2006, 12:09 PM

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Does anyone have any pictures of your uvb lamp setup? blink.gif
Im planning to buy reptiglo 5.0 smallest bulb (pet shop always seem to have only the longest one). For the casing/fixture, im still reeearching on DIY. The commercial ones seem to be ridicolously expensive and always come with a bulb (which of course i do not need).
Can anyone share their setup? icon_question.gif
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post Sep 20 2006, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Sep 20 2006, 01:36 PM)
Well, there's a time when we fight i bought around 4 of them at one time. Marah sgt punya pasal.  whistling.gif
What i can suggest u is, give them other type of pellets. Nutrafin Basix is a good start. Feed them daily twice a day. And if u can sunbath them its better. Hopefully they can recover.
One of my Asian Leaf Turtle's is bleeding, maybe because of the infection. I cant afford to bring them to vet. Can we find those Nolvasan in pharmacy ? FYI Nolvasan is kind of antiseptic but used for animals.  sad.gif
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Just curious, how much does it normally cost for a visit to the vet? blink.gif
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post Sep 21 2006, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(UPM_Parasite @ Sep 20 2006, 08:41 PM)
icon_question.gif BTW  UV sterilizer = UV lamp????  icon_question.gif I saw this at MV Pet wonderland there, r sweat.gif m130++.  sweat.gif reli can botak this month  rclxub.gif
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no la not the same. UV sterilizer are used for those with planted aquarium. used for eliminating algae in the water. cannot be used to replace uv lamp because the uv sterilizer supposed to be kept in cupboard. if placed out in the open can really damage your eyesight. dangerous cool.gif
if you want to buy a uv lamp and thinking on the budget side, im thinking of buying some parts and DIY my own this weekend. the bulb itself of course will buy reptiglo 5.0. RM40 - RM50 i think. once finished i will post some updates

QUOTE(titansulcata @ Sep 20 2006, 11:24 PM)
thanks for sharing smile.gif

speaking of money, to maintain them also not cheap...
for me, nowadays with 7 tortoises eating 2 times a day... my sawi really finishes quick. One week now have to spend around RM4 on sawi. When they are adult, I think have to spend more  sweat.gif

Sooo, I can't imagine how much money u need to spend just to maintain em all

Btw, just uploaded this video (taken from phone)...
Dinner Time for all 7 of em
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don't forget the money spent on initial setup, especially if housing indoors. uv lamp, basking lamp, aquarium , etc

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post Sep 21 2006, 09:11 AM

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I've just transferred my malayan box to his/her (dont know the sex) new home. a custom made 3 feet aquarium. I think its been one month now since i found it inside the longkang beside my house.

this is the first time i've seen it swimming, and immediately i noticed something peculiar.
whenever it swims, or stays immobile inside the water, its body seems to be slanted(senget) a bit to the right (macam berat sebelah). should this be of concern?
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post Sep 22 2006, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(UPM_Parasite @ Sep 21 2006, 05:35 PM)
ICIC thank ya  notworthy.gif ..... U r handle man no 2 now  notworthy.gif  ( no 1 still is me.... hahaha) but if u dont mind can show me the bulb pic?? where u buy it??? UV bulb got
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no la im not handyman. my diy lighting would only involve buying a reflector and some electrical wiring stuff. plus this is my first attempt. you are true handyman, really2 build by yourself notworthy.gif

QUOTE(UPM_Parasite @ Sep 22 2006, 09:07 AM)
Waaa............ dont say ur bf cemburu??? we always hear that ger cemburu but 1st times i hear man cemburu  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
BTW ur boss dont complain meh u put ur turtle in office???  whistling.gif
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i think the only reason we hear more gf cemburu than bf cemburu is because more men have turtles compared to girls icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Sep 22 2006, 10:01 AM

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finally managed to get clear pictures of my turtles. maybe you guys will have a better idea of what im facing.
picture 1 and 2 : 1st res (just contracted the sickness)
picture 3 and 4 : 2nd res (already severe)


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post Sep 22 2006, 10:12 AM

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this is my malayan box turtle. do you guys notice anything suspicous that i should be concerned about?
EDIT: found it in a drain next to my home last month

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post Sep 22 2006, 02:20 PM

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am thinking of bringing my turtles to see a vet. do you guys know any vet that can treat turtles? i live in kajang btw icon_question.gif
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post Sep 25 2006, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Sep 22 2006, 06:42 PM)
Both of them need to eat more protein based food like pellets. I suggest u feed them good pellets like Nutrafin Basix or Ocean Free's Turtle Pellets. Also dont forget to sun them whenever u can ok ? They will recover but it will take some time. I did that to mine last time on my Malayan Box and they are ok now.
Where's this shop located ? I only go to the subang branch before.  unsure.gif
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Are JBL pellets not as good as nutrafin? i went to natural aquatic yesterday and looked at the ingredients for nutrafin, nothing different. blink.gif
QUOTE(ekiddie @ Sep 24 2006, 05:17 PM)
guys... off topic for awhile ah... hehe... my dad saw me alwiz online here looking at turtles and communicating... he asked me to ask a question to an answer on aquariums but not turtles lar... yet still got related abit...

he wanna know why his tank of fishes ar... very easy de water turns green and murky ar?? he place his aquarium at the balcony... no direct sunlight but can feel de sun heat lar... any idea? no aquarium lighting wan... just a norm aquarium wif lots of small fishes inside...

any idea ka?? and will tat happen to turtle's tank too or not?? de water really turns to green2 color... like very 'pekat' liddat... why ha??

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that is called algae bloom. i think the only reason is if it has access to sunlight, eventhough under shade and no direct sunlight, still have the same effect.
QUOTE(titansulcata @ Sep 24 2006, 05:55 PM)
my wife also no patient when i see my things (not only tortoise), but when she see her things, i have to follow and be patient. i've actually concluded that most girls are like that. even my previous ex-es all also like that

thanks for the direction, i roughly know where u say. will drop by some time
my wife doesn't want to go in much, cause she hates snakes and tarantula. so when she's around, normally i cannot see much. i would prefer to window shop myself, more time and no rush
pet wonderland used to be good, when there wasn't much big competitors like pet family and safari. i also feel disappointment when i visit wonderland last weekend, really nothing much
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hahaha sound familiar. whenever i want to go to petshop, i never let my wife to tag alone. more stressless and free rclxm9.gif


QUOTE(ekiddie @ Sep 25 2006, 07:50 AM)
anyone in here got a hatchling malayan box turtles pic ka? i cant find in ATP leh... izzit they called it eastern box turtles ka?? i see diff carapace shape wan...

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i think not the same. i have juvenile malayan box turtle but no hatclings one. i will post the picture in a while

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post Sep 25 2006, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(dai86 @ Sep 25 2006, 10:14 AM)
crazymouse_yyh leng lui, sorry lah.
wanna ask, after we quote the post, actually it will automaticly combine, or you the one edit it?
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each post that you want to reply, clik the "Quote +" button. Once you have chosen all the posts to reply, just click the "add reply" button at the end of the page. it will automatically combine all

QUOTE(meiteoh @ Sep 25 2006, 10:55 AM)
Sayasebudak: You have to feed other stuff apart from just pellets to make sure RES grows up with a good strong shell - especially if you don't sun him.

I haven't exactly been sunning Tortue since it's hazy and busy times at work but I make up for it by giving him D3 supplement (dropped into the water) (by Exo Terra) at least once every two weeks and a lot of calcium-rich foods like Sera Raffy-1, shrimp and Sera Raffy Baby. I give him a mix of Tetra Repto-min (has added vits and 3.3% calcium) and Sera Raffy Baby-Gran.

He loves Sera Raffy-1 - I think because they are crunchy - look like shrimp shells. Just this morning I decided to examine the shell to see if it's hard and alright - in better shape than my fingernails, I'd say.

Btw, those with RES, have you noticed some white, nearly transclucent stuff hanging off your RES's face/legs? I suspect Tortue is shedding but I don't know for sure.

ps: Found a pretty good site for RES: http://reslider.free.fr/en/index.html
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i think it's normal shedding. maybe you can post a picture

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post Sep 25 2006, 02:25 PM

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I finally have an online photo album for my pets. Spent the weekend taking pictures
sayasebuk album

upmparasite: my DIY lighting pictures
http://sayasebuk.multiply.com/photos/album/2

i finally "sunbathed" my turtles for the 1st time
http://sayasebuk.multiply.com/photos/album/1

for those wanting to see my turtle housing
http://sayasebuk.multiply.com/photos/album/4





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