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 Can JMB change House Rules without notices?, JMB change house Rules w/o notices

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aurora97
post Jul 2 2015, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jul 2 2015, 11:25 AM)
1. it is the right to the owners to rent to students, so long it is residential purpose.
2. owners rights has passed to tenant under TA (tenancy agreement).  under the DMC (deed of mutual covenant) , owners (later passed to tenants)  has the right /access to common facilities/property. I think owners can sue the JMC or MC if their right shas been violated. (unless they changed it during AGM) , but I don't think all resident will support this idea. (if the condo is popular for student rental)
3. no, they cant stop students from using the facilities.
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1. the act of rending for profit can be construed as a “commercial transaction”, notwithstanding it’s for residential purposes.
2. the notion where rights of the owner is passed from tenant under the TA is wrong.
- The DMC for instance is entered between developer and owner. Also, the SMA only recognizes Parcel Owners and some other third parties (then again they must have some interest in the parcel).
- The right of any Tenant to use common facilities or property is debatable topic.
(i) If follow strictly SPA and strata roll maintained by Management per se, as far as the Management is concerned, this “Tenants” are as good as trespassers.
(ii) owners have also indicated that they have the right to use their parcel for whatever purpose they wish (example to enter into a tenant for profit).
- I think both management (restricting/enforcing/monitoring tenant using common facilities, I think management has other better things do deal with) and owners (example renting out to 10 people) must be reasonable of everyone’s expectation. This should be voiced during AGM/EGM and reflected in the by-laws.
3. Answer is Maybe at best. It really boils down to what was decided in AGM/EGM and then implemented in your by-laws.

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post Jul 2 2015, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(elimkk @ Nov 10 2014, 08:31 PM)
Recently my JMB Chairman posted in FB said

1. He mention if necessary take legal action against all the owner who illegally converted their units into hostel.
2. And the all students are not allow to use any of the facilities ( gym, sauna, badminton court, squash court, BBQ pit and swimming pool.
3. Last part was, he allow any owner to stop them (students) from using the facilities if spotted.

As talk to him, he said JMB has the rights to change House rules from time to time without any notices. is it true?
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Changes to the law.

Your answers as follows:-

See section 32 (JMB) and 70 (MC) Strata Title Management Act.

During AGM/EGM, require special resolution to pass house rules. (see section 70(2))
By laws bind not only JMB/MC but also proprietor, chargee (bank), lessee (higher class of tenant with owner type of rights), tenant or occupier. (see section 70(3))

QUOTE(CK15 @ Nov 10 2014, 08:38 PM)
Enforce the house rules or to New house rule?
If new house rule, normal need to go thru Agm to get approval first.
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yes + special resolution require for motion to be passed.


QUOTE(elimkk @ Nov 10 2014, 11:12 PM)
So they (JMB) no need to wait until the next JMB, and JMB can enforce a new rules without notices if agree by the community members.

Please confirm.
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New rules cannot be enforced until it has gone through either AGM/EGM + special resolution.

QUOTE(fireballs @ Nov 10 2014, 11:20 PM)
yes.
usually jmb has monthly meeting.
it it then rules and regulations are being discussed.
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No.

QUOTE(danieln @ Nov 10 2014, 11:24 PM)
JMB have the power to only a certain level.

to change a house rule you will need to have AGM or EGM and have it being voted by those who attended.

if you think they have went over their power you can always refer this case to the relevant body
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refer the matter to Tribunal (see 4th Schedule, check whether your issue fall within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal)



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post Jul 3 2015, 05:46 AM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jul 2 2015, 06:27 PM)
in this case why not register the tenant as visitors/guests/invitees? Also seems guests has more rights than the tenant?
if so, owners can "inform" (in much advance ) the management that he/she expect his visitors to go in and out his premises daily.
further more each resident can invite 4-6 guests on anyone day to use the facilities...haha

Guess JMC/MC/MO will never ban quests right?  Otherwise, will create much furores if so..
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Read further into the SMA and by laws, you will find your answers.

Savd for proprietors, other people such as tenants and guest have equal rights except as varied by the by laws (see 32 and 70 of the SMA).

I don't know what is in your by laws but I hope nothing as drastic as what you have illustrated.
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post Jul 3 2015, 05:55 AM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Jul 2 2015, 08:47 PM)
Are u a lawyer? Interested to know why the owner pay the maintenance fee but can't pass on the benefits to his/her tenant?
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No, am not a lawyer but I do read the SMA and I am a former jmb member. I have interest in this area and I am sharing my thoughts only to expand my knowledge.

Back to your question. Who is the parties to the tenancy agreement? I can bet all my money that the management is not one of them. Who's name appear on the strata roll? I bet all my money again that the tenants name is not on it.

The current situation and based on what I have read, the relationship is as above.

However, that does not preclude the management from coming up with its own by law to regulate tenant activity.

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post Jul 3 2015, 05:59 AM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Jul 2 2015, 08:53 PM)
Can the owner inform the management he got visitors/guests to stay in the unit for a year then can enjoy all the facilities? tongue.gif
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In my Condo for instance, we distinguish between resident and tenant card.

The tenant is required to bring along tenancy agreement and nric or passport to register themselves with management. Tenants in my Condo is allowed to use facilities provided that they need to show their cards.

All these r captured in the by laws.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 3 2015, 07:51 AM)
By right, owner needs to inform management that the unit is rented out to whom.
This can be stated clearly in by law.
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not by right, it also has to be captured in the contents of the by- law. Have a look at 32 and 79.

Assuming now the by-law is silent on this issue, where is the source and power that requires tenant to register with management? You can look into the SMA but I am pretty sure 32 and 70 will tell you what I have told everyone else.

So in essense the by-laws of the Condo is a very important piece of doc.
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QUOTE(nigelhanzo @ Jul 3 2015, 01:13 PM)
couple of things you need to take note when renting out.

1) Must inform management.
2) Must hand over the tenancy agreements to the management in order to apply for resident card / badge.
3) Usually, in order to use the facilities, the user must possess the resident card.
4) The amount of ppl in a unit must not exceed the limit set by the government body.. ie not more that 8ppl in a 1000sqft area.

The issue is that usually 2,3 & 4 are not done by the owner, thus the students are having issues with management.

There are cases where the tenancy agreement are not valid, example nigerians are renting,but they use other ppl's name to register in the tenancy agreement, which is wrong.
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Actually it's the other way around....

Ask management for the house rules.

Then ask them the rules governing tenants. What forms to fill and what r the restrictions etc...

It all depends on the by-laws. If the by-laws don't require youbto notify or hand in tenancy agreement, why then do you want to volunteer?
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QUOTE(nigelhanzo @ Jul 3 2015, 04:45 PM)
My mistake.. i assume that there is an existing law/rule for renting units out as hostels for TS's condo.
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Actually no one really knows, whether any rules /laws ever exist at all. Lol.

Best to ask in any case.

 

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