Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed
127 Pages « < 9 10 11 12 13 > » Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Traders Kopitiam! V6

views
     
johnnyzai89
post Nov 21 2014, 09:54 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,444 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 21 2014, 10:50 AM)
Haiyaaaa..... I don't simply lump everything together one...

and I don't simply simply say things one. tongue.gif

This company... below.... u say doing good or bad?

user posted image
*
Declining! tongue.gif

will the merger help?
TSBoon3
post Nov 21 2014, 09:56 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Nov 21 2014, 09:35 AM)
Btw, what do you think of CIMB?

getting hammered quite badly
*
hahaha..... didn't put stock name on the earlier posting.... tongue.gif

user posted image

compare those shitty results with stock chart.... whistling.gif

user posted image

see?

this is why I said I didn't see anything wrong. tongue.gif
Le Don
post Nov 21 2014, 12:28 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
354 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
Turnaround for AirAsia? whistling.gif

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...ower-fuel-price
wodenus
post Nov 21 2014, 12:34 PM

Tree Octopus
********
All Stars
14,990 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(Le Don @ Nov 21 2014, 12:28 PM)
It would not matter since they would already have hedged the fuel prices.

TSBoon3
post Nov 21 2014, 01:18 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(Le Don @ Nov 21 2014, 12:28 PM)
Can....

..just ask Tony to double up all their jet fuel hedges lor.




holybo
post Nov 21 2014, 03:51 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,449 posts

Joined: Dec 2007
QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 21 2014, 01:18 PM)
Can....

..just ask Tony to double up all their jet fuel hedges lor.
*
From consumer point of view, I wouldn't want airasia to die because of its cheaper alternative to travel.
From investor point of view, he made mistakes on hedging too early, hopefully he could hire O&G investment consultant to advise on the hedging, probably hire boon gor flex.gif . Last resort will be using airasia to save aax (of course at that time the share price could worth much lower than now).
wodenus
post Nov 21 2014, 04:00 PM

Tree Octopus
********
All Stars
14,990 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Nov 21 2014, 09:54 AM)
Declining!  tongue.gif

will the merger help?
*
Is it even still on? smile.gif

TSBoon3
post Nov 21 2014, 04:10 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(holybo @ Nov 21 2014, 03:51 PM)
From consumer point of view, I wouldn't want airasia to die because of its cheaper alternative to travel.
From investor point of view, he made mistakes on hedging too early, hopefully he could hire O&G investment consultant to advise on the hedging, probably hire boon gor  flex.gif . Last resort will be using airasia to save aax (of course at that time the share price could worth much lower than now).
*
From Malaysian point of view............. sweat.gif sweat.gif

His company's debts.....
currently AirAsia debts stands at 11.8 BILLION!
.... and could easily rise more.... if AirAsia takes in new delivery of fei kei..... sweat.gif

....... if anything goes wrong.............. huhu.........




johnnyzai89
post Nov 21 2014, 04:23 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,444 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 21 2014, 05:10 PM)
From Malaysian point of view............. sweat.gif  sweat.gif 

His company's debts.....
currently AirAsia debts stands at 11.8 BILLION!
.... and could easily rise more.... if AirAsia takes in new delivery of fei kei.....  sweat.gif

....... if anything goes wrong.............. huhu.........
*
It's all the fei kei'sss fault

tongue.gif
yhtan
post Nov 21 2014, 05:02 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
8,651 posts

Joined: Sep 2005
From: lolyat


The way i look at AAX financial statement, the huge problem underlying is the Company is running out of cash because it has been continue huge loses for few quarters

Based on the figures shown, plus the rumours of delaying salary/allowance payment, it does make sense for me

I still don't understand why got people want to catch this knife, it seems they forgot the MAS case or worship Tony?

They only left with 3 options to raise cash level:
1.Right Issue
2.Private Placement
3.Sale and leaseback the plane

Forget about Bond/Sukuk, rating agency will not give them high rating and the interest rate will be much higher based on their condition.

This post has been edited by yhtan: Nov 21 2014, 05:05 PM
TSBoon3
post Nov 21 2014, 05:23 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(yhtan @ Nov 21 2014, 05:02 PM)
The way i look at AAX financial statement, the huge problem underlying is the Company is running out of cash because it has been continue huge loses for few quarters

Based on the figures shown, plus the rumours of delaying salary/allowance payment, it does make sense for me

I still don't understand why got people want to catch this knife, it seems they forgot the MAS case or worship Tony?

They only left with 3 options to raise cash level:
1.Right Issue
2.Private Placement
3.Sale and leaseback the plane

Forget about Bond/Sukuk, rating agency will not give them high rating and the interest rate will be much higher based on their condition.
*
Problem is...... I believe that Tony was wrongly portrayed as a hero. tongue.gif

whistling.gif
johnnyzai89
post Nov 21 2014, 05:25 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,444 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
hehe will we see another MAS in the making?
wink.gif
TSBoon3
post Nov 21 2014, 05:31 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Nov 21 2014, 05:25 PM)
hehe will we see another MAS in the making?
wink.gif
*
Hello... we are looking at 2 companies!!!

AAX and AA.

sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
johnnyzai89
post Nov 21 2014, 05:45 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,444 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
haha AA heroically tries to AAX but end up doh.gif
yhtan
post Nov 21 2014, 05:56 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
8,651 posts

Joined: Sep 2005
From: lolyat


QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 21 2014, 05:23 PM)
Problem is...... I believe that Tony was wrongly portrayed as a hero. tongue.gif

whistling.gif
*
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...alaries-bernama

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/en/node/170894

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ound/?style=biz

Look at his reply and it seem he is not talking about fund raising at all!


TSBoon3
post Nov 21 2014, 06:07 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(yhtan @ Nov 21 2014, 05:56 PM)
Last time, he initially denied betting in fuel hedges.

Only when the hedges went horribly wrong, he was forced to admit to the public about those bets.

Losses incurred then? 420+ million!!!

Would I trust his statements now? rolleyes.gif


You should look at AirAsia most recent profit notes la.

Check out AirAsia cash ( 1 billion (depleting) ) vs its total debts ( 11.8 billion) ....

The company does not have many bullets to shoot hor....

And despite all this.... http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1232784

Last para: In a separate filing, AirAsia said it had extended a US$55 million loan to AirAsia Inc, a company incorporated in the Philippines, to facilitate the ordinary course of the latter's business during the third quarter ended Sept 30, 2014.

rolleyes.gif


yhtan
post Nov 21 2014, 06:53 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
8,651 posts

Joined: Sep 2005
From: lolyat


QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 21 2014, 06:07 PM)
Last time, he initially denied betting in fuel hedges.

Only when the hedges went horribly wrong, he was forced to admit to the public about those bets.

Losses incurred then? 420+ million!!!

Would I trust his statements now?  rolleyes.gif
You should look at AirAsia most recent profit notes la.

Check out AirAsia cash ( 1 billion (depleting) ) vs its total debts ( 11.8 billion) ....

The company does not have many bullets to shoot hor....

And despite all this.... http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1232784

Last para: In a separate filing, AirAsia said it had extended a US$55 million loan to AirAsia Inc, a company incorporated in the Philippines, to facilitate the ordinary course of the latter's business during the third quarter ended Sept 30, 2014.

rolleyes.gif
*
Ah Boon, Airasia business is in steady mode but AAX is in turbulence mode

Let me show u what i found in both financial statement, look at the difference in their Current Assets and Current Liabilities

http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...%2019%20Nov.pdf

http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...ursa)-Final.pdf

Obviously it shown AAX is in much serious state, trade and other payables increase almost 100% but revenue did not increase in line with
Current ratio 2013 - 0.37
Current ratio 2014 - 0.20

The cash in AAX decrease by RM140mil, remember cash is like blood, without cash it cannot operate day to day basis

And i have to agreed with u, Tony had some bad remark back in the loss of hedging

P/S: i do not know the cancellation of plane order will be able to refund the Company, if yes then there is another option for him

This post has been edited by yhtan: Nov 21 2014, 06:55 PM
TSBoon3
post Nov 21 2014, 08:34 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(yhtan @ Nov 21 2014, 06:53 PM)
Ah Boon, Airasia business is in steady mode but AAX is in turbulence mode

Let me show u what i found in both financial statement, look at the difference in their Current Assets and Current Liabilities

http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...%2019%20Nov.pdf

http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...ursa)-Final.pdf

Obviously it shown AAX is in much serious state, trade and other payables increase almost 100% but revenue did not increase in line with
Current ratio 2013 - 0.37
Current ratio 2014 - 0.20

The cash in AAX decrease by RM140mil, remember cash is like blood, without cash it cannot operate day to day basis

And i have to agreed with u, Tony had some bad remark back in the loss of hedging

P/S: i do not know the cancellation of plane order will be able to refund the Company, if yes then there is another option for him
*
Thanks for the highlight! thumbup.gif

AirAsia business might be 'steady' but in my opinion, it's built on very shaky ground.


zDarkForceSz
post Nov 21 2014, 08:44 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,938 posts

Joined: Nov 2009
From: Bolehland


QUOTE(yhtan @ Nov 21 2014, 05:02 PM)
The way i look at AAX financial statement, the huge problem underlying is the Company is running out of cash because it has been continue huge loses for few quarters

Based on the figures shown, plus the rumours of delaying salary/allowance payment, it does make sense for me

I still don't understand why got people want to catch this knife, it seems they forgot the MAS case or worship Tony?

They only left with 3 options to raise cash level:
1.Right Issue
2.Private Placement
3.Sale and leaseback the plane

Forget about Bond/Sukuk, rating agency will not give them high rating and the interest rate will be much higher based on their condition.
*
Good analysis there. Couldn't agree more... thumbup.gif
yhtan
post Nov 21 2014, 09:37 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
8,651 posts

Joined: Sep 2005
From: lolyat


QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 21 2014, 08:34 PM)
Thanks for the highlight!   thumbup.gif

AirAsia business might be 'steady' but in my opinion, it's built on very shaky ground.
*
The shaky part is the fuel price which is way too volatile and other external factor, currently their 4 hours flight is well connected to each other and create a good synergy


This post has been edited by yhtan: Nov 21 2014, 09:39 PM

127 Pages « < 9 10 11 12 13 > » Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0285sec    0.45    6 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 2nd December 2025 - 08:42 AM