How to raise CGPA?
If resit a paper and get good grades will that raise the CGPA?

TARC

Yes.... if u get a better grade in the resit paper... ur CGPA will shoot up....... Higher the grade.... higher the CGPA!!!!


cheers mate...............

if u resit and score A, ur cgpa will raise up but not that much... only slightly higher..
this is because the total credit hours u taken has increased as well..

the formula to calculate CGPA :
[ total of ( credit hours X score ) ]/ Total credit hours
score for A = 4, B = 3 and so on..

1 example:
the 1st result u got is
A for 4 credit hours subject
B for 3 credit hours subject
D for 4 credit hours subject

CGPA = ( 4x4 + 3x3 + 1x4)/ ( 4+3+4) = 2.9

and u resit for the 3 subject that got D. assume that u got A but the previous credit hours will be included as well

new CGPA = ( 4x4 + 3x3 + 1x4 + 4x4 )/ ( 4+3+4+4) = 3.214

the example shows quite high increment as the credit hours u earn is not so high yet. but when u keep on studying, the credit hours will increase, and the score effect to the credit hours will be smaller and smaller.

that's y we need to score the 1st few sem or 1st year. mostly the subjects tested in 1st year are easier and the grade effect is very big compared to the senior years..

p/s : i'm also a tarcian. later got exam. still struggling to maintain my CGPA..

Your transcript wont be nice. You will have the F for the subject for that semester in your transcript. If you pass, then next semester they again will stated the result.

Yes, will shoot up, consider as normal A.

yeahs4.1: You sure the previous credit hours will be included as well? I check my transcript, they just give me the normal credit hour. The 1 I failed before is 0, and only the 1 I resit and pass only.

Ex-tarcian here. =)

that's wat i heard from my lecturer and seniors. i never failed and resit any paper before..

if ur case is true then it is better lo

cheers~

sorry to interrupt but isnt that just GPA?isnt CGPA is (previous sem CGPA + current GPA)/2?sorry if it is a mistake..

the old grade n credit hrs of same paper wont be counted 'again' in CGPA..

however when u resit the target paper on other sem, the paper will be counted together like other paper taken in that particular sem GPA (not repairing your old sem GPA)

ex-utm

*edit typo

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nope
it will be calculated like gpa, but this time all subjects in the list
thus the more subject in list after few sem, even if u repair a singe grade D subject to grade A, it wont make a significant improvements

This post has been edited by e-jump: Sep 13 2006, 08:36 AM

it's jz for a simple example..
for CGPA, jz add up the total all the subjects taken previously and devided the total credit hours accumulated le..

ya..... the NEW Grade replaces the OLD grade...... so no addition of additional Credit hours........


Tats how the CGPA shoots up!!!!!!!

ok i get the point
hrmm
another question bout cgpa
lets say done with diploma
will the diploma cgpa affect my degree cgpa?

i believe its a totally new world
ie. u'll start from scratch for ur degree CGPA, while some subjects credits taken during diploma can be transfered juz like that

u need to check whether ur college/uni adds the credit hours that u failed or replaces it. if the hours r replaced then u just need to score no need to worry. in my uni, the failed cr hours are added into the cgpa. no turning back

I think you can improve the grades and CGPA by retake those subjects which have bad grades.

However, a general theory about CGPA is it's easy to lose, hard to gain.

agree

*newton's gravitational law applies*

How about Unimas?

it depends. simplest way to check is if u're offered 1st of degree instead of 4th year. if it's 1st year, it means u're points will start all over again from zero. if it's 4th year (or somewhere around that) in case of twinning or integrated programmes, u will continue ur CGPA points from where u've left off.

as far as i know, all schools will replace ur subject's credit hours with the new ones. here's why:

in tertiery education, u accumulate credit hours to determine the level of study u're in. for example, diploma is around 70-90 credit hours, degree is about 160-190credit hours, masters is around 200++ and phd is reaching 300. u accumulate all of them in totality, which means that after finishing ur masters, u will accumulate 200credit hours in total from after STPM to masters (not 90+190+200).

so in this case, if they dont replace ur credit hours, imagine if u keep on taking failed subjects again and again, ur credit hours will burst, and they might have to give u a degree after 5 years repeating ur diploma subjects again and again. that's why credit hours are not added, but replaced.

replacing credit hours would mean lesser students dont have to take more credit hours in order to get better results. we cant punish students just for being a slow starter



but as mentioned earlier, new results wont change that particular semester's result statements. u will only see change on the new semester's results.

do note that schools will usually allow u to resit a subject IF u actually fail them. they wont simply let u resit any subjects, mostly because of logistic issues. failure rates are different between schools. some regard D is fail, but some take D+, and there are schools that regards C- is a fail.

better discuss on tips on how to get better cgpa without repeating the subject.

oh i know this one!




score every subject. if u feel like not scoring, drop the subject before the end of semester (late charges apply).

TARC is total failure by giving people to fail, but let them to resit & possible to get back an A in the fail subjects.. (frankly, good chances in getting A or B in the failing papers coz lecturer wil mark more leniently/ give more tips )

This is simply unfair for those that study hard but fail to get an A for that particular subject.
I failed to get a UTAR schoalrship bcoz I did not get perfect score of 4.00.
(at that time, UTAR require 4.00 to apply the scholarship)

For ur information, the credit hours won't increase if u fail even a lot of papers. Therefore, it means that ur CGPA will raise substantially if u score AA for 2 papers taht u fail.
It replace the grade & credit hours u get..

I hate TARC policy So, there are a lot of students that graduate with Merit but actually they fail a lot a lot of times...

Anyway, when u go for job inerview, u just need to show ur graduation certificate, there is no need to show ur transcript.

i got 3.37 for my CGPA;

got kinda dissapointed because i need at least 3.65 to get scholarship next time.

will it be easy to raise it until at least 3.65 in the next remaining semester?

issit only possible by getting all As?

It also depend on how many credit hours left in your new semester. It is possible to raise the CGPA if you scored all As

well, you can always point out your strong points in scoring the papers in one try by bringing along the transcript to interview.

I myself not a scorer. but i got clean sheet of no fails and drops, and even finish my engineering course early/on time even with re-sit 2 paper to raise my cgpa (but cant do much )
*oh, manage to finish a 10-semester course in 9 semesters too

This post has been edited by e-jump: Nov 9 2006, 10:35 PM

CGPA 3.65 -3.7499 : 50 % tuition fee waiver for Advanced Diploma
CGPA 3.75-6.8499 : 75%
Above 3.85 : 100%

But, I heard that the requirement will be higher later bcuse some courses there is more than 25% of students are scholarship holder.(GPA >3.65)

Anyway, u still can get a good GPA la, up to 3.70, & I assumed you are in final semester of Year 1 Diploma.
But, u can't get more than 1 B in the following 3 semesters.
Try to get CGPA 3.50 to get a distinction, make ur parents proud !! I think u can do it.

Calculate CGPA :
Example,

Math 3 credit hours * A (4 point) = 12
English 3 credit hours *B (3 point) =9
Basic Electronic 5 credit hours *A =20
Statistic 4 credit hours * B =12
Physics 4 credit hours *A =16
Total 69



CGPA : Total marks/ accumulated credit hours =69/19
=GPA 3.6316

I hope thats help to guide how many As u should get in the following sem to get a scholarship



U r from TARC?? I don't know TARC can graduate early.

Hey Irresistible, what's your CGPA? As i know, to get scholarship in UTAR, CGPA 3.9 & above can get full waiver of fees. Sometimes, student don't work hard but want to envy on other student's good achievement. If students can attend every lecture, finish up tutorials given(no copy), ask questions whenever in doubt(if not u will be lost) and do their revision every week(no last minute revision) I believe everybody also can do it.....u want the big share, must sacrifice more....

uhh, no
x-UTM , bachelor degree in Comp. Eng.

*sorry for 'campur tangan' , but juz wanna share my POV

This post has been edited by e-jump: Nov 10 2006, 05:06 PM

My time is GPA 4.0 to get a scholarship for UTAR. I think I m only one year senior than u...

My CGPA is 3.92 for diploma (2Bs ), but frankly speaking I strongly rely on tips, (Ya, the tips motivate me to study hard, u know la Diploma exam papers come out exactly like tutorial questions, no tips also can score lo)

My Advanced Diploma result, is totally failure, just merely get an BBB result, or even worse result. Fail my ACCA, don't know la... I bcome lazy when I go to KL, too much entertainmnet & demotivate by the quality of lecturers..
My study technique may not work well in higher level, memorizing without thorough understanding that FAIL me. Anyway, my undertstanding ability is not good la even compared to average students.

I think Failure come from people like me that give all sorts of non-sense excuse to be "lazy"!!

If i know I'm not doing in well in that paper, I'll let my lecturer know to give me C- in final exam so can repeat
But I'm lazy person
*I think

thxies!~
now i'm only in my 2nd sem; hopefully i can catch up~

i didnt mean to be evil; but sometimes will group assignments drag u down? i got good marks for individual but super low marks for group assignments;

really dont know wat to do~

dont worry, u just 2nd sem,still 5 sem to go if u are diploma and 3 sem to go if u are advance diploma. but normally most of the students will become more lazy from sem to sem,and 1st sem normally is the most hardworking. -.-

To get the scholarship,just study hard a bit lo, try to understand all the studies and then u sure can manage to score it. try score 3.85 in order to get a full scholarship la. i already regret no study more hardworking in diploma,just get 3.8444 CGPA, 0.01 different make me cant get the full scholarship.

Study hard la. Actually group assignment cant cause u drop so much mark in diploma, because lecturer at least give average mark for assignment. The most important is try score well in exam because exam contribute 80%, ur group assignment just 10% around becoz another participation and test will normally contribute another 10%marks.

Haiz,now last sem of advance diploma already...hope graduate smoothly and try to get a best job la. Cheers!~~

This post has been edited by bennyhwl: Nov 10 2006, 07:35 PM

Now, u have no problem la to catch up .... U should try to aim GPA 3.80
or even higher bcause still got chances.
If u are exempted English & b. Malysia in 1st semester, ur chances to get GPA 3.85 full scholarship is still possible by getting straight As in this sem & following sem.
My Advice : Do ur Tutorial !!

Ya, I understand it !! I face the same situation when I study Advanced Diploma bcause my teacher group us according to Surname. I was forced to join the students that I didn't plan to join. Our group assignment is always the lowest, & all the assignment is done by me. My group members didn't help & one of them even tell me :" Your Diploma result so good, why do assignment so low marks ??" (OK, I admit they got pass me some materials but all amended by me or rejected, so in the end they did not wan to help)

When I was Diploma, I always join with all the Top student in my class for assignment. (I didn't much involve also )
So the result

doinkz_gaara, for ur info, Diploma awarding scheme (show by my lecturer in his room) :

A : 70 marks above
B: 56 --69
C: 40-55
D: 35-39 (provided GPA above 2.00 ,if not is a F)
F: Below 40
What couse u r ?? Engineering course is more tough, is already good if can get GPA 3.5 above.

TARC should follow this rewarding System, but NO, TARC work on the opposite way........

This post has been edited by Irresistible: Nov 10 2006, 07:58 PM

im in mass communication: advertising..

muz be more hardworking this sem!

Wah....CGPA 3.92
U thk u r from TARC Penang branch right? As i know, Penang branch always produce top students without fail and all of them are really good with scholarships...no kidding.....I, myself from KL branch can notice that....
Yes, when comes to Adv Dip, many ppl flop bcoz of the pressure to study.....
My advice for ppl who want to maintain their good results in Adv Diploma:
1) 4get about the past(Diploma) no matter how worse or good is ur grades. U r starting from zero in Adv Diploma, thus need to work extra for the grades....no kidding
2) Chase n run for the lecturers....ask ask ask....dont stop asking......
3) Sleep, eat n relax loh!!!!


The best thing about Adv Dip(for acca is like that, not sure about other course) is that the results will be released annually. So, u dont need to worry about ur scholarship being taken away halfway thru the year, for eg beginning sem 2 of 1st year. U still got the waived fees....U will only know about ur fate at the end of sem 2 each year......

Hey guys!

What if like I need to repeat a subject, then my CGPA will be decreased mendadak right? But then, like the next semester, I score on the subject that I need to repeat, my CGPA will be increased or just naik sikit sahaja?

Increased substantially, From F (fail) to A . Normally, like GPA 1.8 to GPA 2.6 or even more...

I show the detailed calculation already & I use simple example to explain it. Not understand??

Wow, i didn't know if one were to resit they can actually get higher grades. In the college that i am studying as long as u resit it doesn't matter how much u get, for instance, 90 marks they will still give u a D.

So it will be better off not to resit.

if u score, suppose ur CGPA will increase mendadak la..

got a question,we need how many CGPA to take a degree course or enter uni?lets say the diploma CGPA just 2 only can take degree course?

depends on your dip subject..mybe u just carry fwd the sbject so just 2yrs only degree

so that mean as long as the diploma CGPA is 2 or above then its not a problem to take a degree course?

i think the cgpa is not a problem. u just need to pass all the subject requirements by the uni or by the course that u want to take.

errr...
passing is not enuf
at least get a b+ as a minimum
that's how i always maintain

after industrial training~~ cgpa goes up. provided u do as told by yur supervisor...

i agreed with him.....i know pass the subjects that u take is not enuff ...but
once u get fail for either one of ur subjects.. is like a black spot....u cant graduated with first honor....thats uni's system... although u score well after resit that subject....u cant get the first honor anymore....is kinda cruel system in local uni.... therefore...before u maintain to score well .....the first step is to pass all the subjects..correct me if im wrong

well, if u resit ur paper, the cgpa will increase , if the paper got 4 credit hour for example. u might want to score a high cgpa high earlier and quite difficult to do it in the end coz just a slight increase in the end of semester in cgpa like 'pecahan'- divide a high no. yielding in a low value. thats why final year student resit their paper to increase the cgpa.

Good day everyone!
Such a good threat here that has attracted so many tarcians to express their opinion regarding CGPA...
Ohhh... repeat stil having the chance to obtain A!!!!!!!!!! Until today i jz realized that!
(then i should try to fail n resit, instead of ready hard jz kidding^^)

Irresistible should b my senior kua~

be aware that most universities do not allow students to resit their subjects UNLESS they fail them. it means, once u know u're didnt score the subject, u gotta deal with the lecturer or the head of school to fail u. if u wait until u registered for next semester's subjects, the grades will already finalized and the only way to change it is to bring it up to the next senate meeting of the university.

if u know u're not scoring a subject, either drop the subject or fail urself. getting a minimum pass grade might be the end of u in the future. remember, failing is not as bad as getting a minimum pass... hehe

whoa TARC resit paper can obtain A also meh?and the resit paper is easier to get an A compared to the 1st exam and result will be replaced just like that?that's something and kinda unfair to others..example u get B or C for exam and ur fren fail,he resits and gets A..what would u react?

my college resit paper max will get pass C and most of the candidates will pass

This post has been edited by afosz: Jan 20 2007, 10:15 AM

thats why uni's system wont give them graduate with honor....once u resit...u wont get first class anymore although u score A after resit the subject....its kinda unfair for those who get Bs or Cs if they threat the resiter equally with those ppls that nv resit for their course.....

time and time again
this all depends on the uni
i dunno about tarc
but other universities allow repeaters to repeat and get an A
for the simple reason that the uni must let them graduate cuz until u pass that subject, u wont be able to grad
and i dunno bout other unis, but mostly even if u fail, if u manage to repeat and get an A, and upgrade ur CGPA beyond the par for honours (usually 3.5 and above).

Resit also can get A meh ? I don't think so lah! It is unfair and unacceptable.

why not?

tertiery education is different from school days. the point here is KNOWLEDGE gathering where exams dont really matter. in this system, the institution recognizes the fact that some students learn slower than others (not including dislexic or other forms of learning disabilities). it's not fair to punish such students for their shortcomings.

so what does the system offer? u can still score if u study longer. if u fail this time, trying again until u pass. now... isnt that a great environment to LEARN?

when looking 4 jobs,will interviewers c the CGPA result transcript or just the graduation scroll?

haha.... they will just ask you one thing, why should i hire you in my org?

I think ur graduation scroll will indicate whetner u are a good student or not.
like graduate with distinction/ 1st class vs graduate with pass/2nd lower class.

I was once asked which "part (eg. AR, AP, costing, GL)" of accounting department u wan to get into ?? I answer costing.
The interviewer ask me : "What is ur grade for Costing ? let me see your college result !!"

If u are freshgraduate, CGPA does matter a lot !!
CGPA is an indication whetner u are capable or not to perform, whetner u are smart enough to listen to instruction, whetner u are fast enough to learn !!

However, Expected salary sometimes is determinant whetner u get the job. If u demand too high regardless u are the best student of the year, u won't get hired!!

QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 23 2007, 09:49 AM)

No, I don't agree !!

If u wan to study longer, u can study like 12-15 hours a day to catch up!! I am a slow (very slow) student myself, but doesn't mean that I have the advantage of failing & repeating the same subject.

In your way, it is encouraging them to repeat and repeat the same subjects and by dropping other subjects. This cycle just go on and on, endlessly.

In the real world, employer won't let u to "repeat" !!! So, come on... If resit, there's OK, but u get an "A", it is encourage student to fail.
(The fact is TARC failing rate for diploma is ranging 30-40%)

agreed!!! it's kinda unfair for those who get Bs n Cs....they cant resit....private colleges shouldnt based on this kind of system...it's indirectly to encourage students get fail rather than get Bs n Cs......some says " try to ask the lecturer to fail me" ? is it logic? inside their mind only have As or Fail?

dude, this system is being used WORLDWIDE. deal with it.

the slower students will have to pay more, and spend more time. in the world where everyone is whining about why it takes so long to do a degree, TIME is not a luxury most people used to have.

why are we questioning this? have u not been to a proper university before?

hmm...
the most important question is why are u even asking the question on the justice to allow students to repeat and get an A

if ur slow, then study smart not study hard
do u really think those who failed are dumb
i begin to think dat way since high school
i never scored a single thing except science,agama islam and english (i was one of the best malay student for english...i mean i speak,write and understands better in english than those malay who stayed overseas all their lives)
but those who didnt score in exams could have scored better outside...in the real world...
thats what we call street smart

smart lawyers arent the one who can argue on laws itself...they are the ones who can manage the case by just go straight forward and essentially know who the judge of the case and make do with so little knowledge they have

smart doctors know what their patients wants and needs...not just administer this and dat drugs based on the rule of the book

smart student would know how to get to the lecturer in exams...not just blabber this and that vomiting what they have learnt all this while

the most basic thing about being smart is to know the most simple way,not the easy way at most times aint simple, but in knowing its simple he embroadens it to reach the objective

it boils back to common sense
i'd prefer a late bloomer in my company than an egoistical brainy ones cuz the latter might not know how to handle people

so live with it
CGPA does reflect who u are
but thats marginally important
priority should be given to ur command in using ur common sense or basically street smart

This post has been edited by gtoforce: Jan 23 2007, 06:41 PM

Since threadstarter is stating TARC.

What TARC will do for those that fail during the last semester is they will be shortlisted for a simple test. Eventually, all of them will pass and attend the same graduation ceremony with their friends (same batch).* Therefore, there is no wasting time, A resit paper in TARC cost RM 50 (around that,right?) Can u afford??

*This apply to those that fail one to two papers.
If more than that, ya u have to resit again.