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pigscanfly
post Jun 28 2020, 06:24 PM

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Hi. Can anyone recommend a good performing Global Technology ETF? Are there any ETFs that tracks the MSCI World Information Technology Index? Apparently the MSCI World Information Technology Index can outperform S&P 500.

I discovered that Franklin Technology Fund (unit trust) uses the MSCI World Information Technology Index as it's benchmark. But I prefer investing in ETF, since the Franklin Technology fund doesn't really outperform it's benchmark.
pigscanfly
post Jun 29 2020, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 28 2020, 09:09 PM)

QQQ
iShares S&P 500 Information Technology Sector (Ireland domiciled)
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/cash-king...L92MiBXTBRY7Tpr
Very interesting Ramjade. I need to do more research on QQQ (NASDAQ) and iShares S&P 500 Information Technology Sector.

I was hoping SGX offers technology sector ETFs. Unfortunately, there are none in SGX. I rather buy ETF/stocks in Singapore, as I have a local broker there.
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post Jun 29 2020, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Jun 29 2020, 01:17 AM)
if u bullish on tech why not u direct buy 3x leverage tech etf?
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3x leverage too high risk for me. Not comfortable with that. My investment style is buy and hold, not trading.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 29 2020, 08:14 AM)
Forget about sg market. They have nothing good except reits and banks.
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It appears so. I have invested in their REIT ETF in SGX. Otherwise, SGX doesn't offer much. Looks like I need to consider opening an account with interactive brokers to get cheaper access to foreign markets. These technology ETFs are quite tempting, as they even outperform S&P500
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post Jul 29 2020, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 7 2020, 01:04 PM)
Depends on what you want.
I use interactive broker white labels (Tradestation global)
It's interface is complicated but it gives me access to majority of the world's market which I need.

One alternative is trading212. Only issue you need to think is how to put in money and withdraw money. If you banks you going to get charged a lot.
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I noticed that trading212 has zero commission fees and zero inactivity fees. This sounds good to me, as my trading frequency is < 1x per month. I wouldn't want to get charged with inactivity fees.

Do you think funding the trading account using Transferwise borderless account works?

Edit: I just checked, Transferwise borderless account not offered to Malaysians cry.gif

This post has been edited by pigscanfly: Jul 30 2020, 12:28 AM
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post Jul 31 2020, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 30 2020, 04:40 PM)
Can. Before this they block. Then then unblock it (TransferWise).

My borderless account was opened before the blocking started.
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Lucky you. You managed to open a borderless account before they blocked it. Currently, I am not successful in opening a borderless account. I get this message "This feature isn't available in your location yet".

I can't think of anyway to get a borderless account. I have considered putting my location as Singapore, but it won't work, because address verification will be required.


QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Jul 30 2020, 10:42 AM)
interested to learn more about the transferring funds mechanism to trading212 too.
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You can try funding your trading account using credit/debit card. Try BigPay, which charges 0% conversion fees. If you have a Transferwise debit card, that works great too.
However, withdrawal can be a headache.

From trading212 FAQ:
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For security reasons, we will send your withdrawn funds using the same payment methods you have used for funding your account. If you have funded your account using:
    Bank transfer - We will return your funds to your bank account
    Debit/Credit card - We will refund the money to your card.


If you deposited funds using BigPay, and when withdrawing funds (trading212 will refund into BigPay debit card), money will automatically be converted back to MYR!! BigPay isn't a multi-currency account and cannot hold foreign currencies. It's a debit card denominated in MYR currency. And withdrawing money from BigPay is very costly and restrictive! ranting.gif

If you deposited money using Transferwise debit card (not available to Malaysians), money will be refunded into your Transferwise borderless account. Because Transferwise debit card is a multi-currency account, your money will be refunded in the same foreign currency (limited to USD, GBP, EUR, SGD and a few others)
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post Aug 29 2020, 09:42 PM

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If I opened an account with TS Global, can I make trades on IBKR Client Portal? I find the user interface of the TS Global desktop app very non-user friendly. If I trade using IBKR Client Portal, the commission fees will be charged according to TS Global?
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post Sep 3 2020, 12:14 AM

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Hi. Can anyone please advise on which stock exchange I should buy ETF? I am planning to invest in Vanguard FTSE All-World. It's listed on LSE and XETRA.

VWRA on LSE (USD), average daily volume 18,770, bid-ask spread 19.7 bps
VWCE on XETRA (Euro), average daily volume 21,200 bid-ask spread 10.4 bps

Both have almost similar average daily volumes, but the bid-ask spread of VWCE is much narrower compared to VWRA. My broker is TS Global. What are your thoughts? Is VWCE a better choice?
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post Sep 3 2020, 11:08 PM

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Thank you for your replies.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 3 2020, 12:27 AM)
Depend on
1. Do you want to hold USD or EUR?
2. How big is your buying size? Usually small buying size no problem. Just set a price you like and put a GTC to it.
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Does the currency even matter? Any advantages to hold USD over EUR or GBP? As a Malaysian investor, none of these are my secondary currencies, and I have no preference. The Vanguard FTSE All-World ETF holds a basket of securities (over 3000) across 50 markets in various currencies.

To quote from a bogleheads webpage:
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...The only currency exchange rate that impacts long term returns is the one between the investor's home currency and the currency of the ETF's assets. During the holding period, the investor owns only assets valued in the currency of the assets. Other currencies besides the asset's and investor's own are irrelevant.

I guess the currency doesn't really matter...? I plan to invest RM30k lump sum.

QUOTE(Gwynbleidd @ Sep 3 2020, 06:34 PM)
I prefer VWRP (GBP) as you don't have to convert currency twice. With VWCE you don't have to convert twice too but I think there are multiple listings in Europe. The volumes are low because they are fairly new especially if compared to the original (VWRL). You don't have to worry much about the spreads.
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Can you please clarify what you mean convert currency twice? I thought I can use instarem to convert MYR to USD/ EUR/ GBP directly into IBKR accounts?
I agree the average volumes for the distributing classes are much higher. Both VWRD (USD) and VWRL (GBP) listed on LSE have average daily volumes of 49k each.

PS: My other concern is that Vanguard will delist their ETFs from stock exchanges. Vanguard is apparently pulling out of Hong Kong and Japan markets. If there are very low trading volumes, companies will delist their products from stock exchanges. This recently happened to DWS ETFs (Deutsche bank) from Singapore Stock Exchange, where daily trading volumes for their ETFs were very very low.

This post has been edited by pigscanfly: Sep 3 2020, 11:17 PM
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post Sep 4 2020, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 3 2020, 11:57 PM)
IB doesn't support deposit of USD from 3rd party even with proof. So if are paying USD, you need to deposit in say EUR.
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Oh thanks for the info. Didn't know that IBKR doesn't accept USD deposits from 3rd parties. Looks like it's down to either EUR or GBP.

QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Sep 4 2020, 12:23 AM)
Currency only matters if you plan to lump sum without DCA and matters when you exit.
If a US stock is priced in EUR, it will give you the same return in MYR terms as compared to USD.

Notice that investing in either EQQQ or QQQ gives us the same return in MYR terms as long as USD/MYR rate does not change.

Your returns only change if USD/MYR changes.
Meaning if you bought US ETF when MYR was weak and sold when MYR is strong, you lose a due to exchange rate (suppose ETF did not change).
However, if you bought US ETF when MYR was strong and sold when MYR was weak, you gain due to exchange rate (suppose ETF did not change).

However, this currency fluctuation tends to be around 10% only. If you lump sum RM30,000 today and in 10 years it's RM60,000 (a 100% return), you can expect to either make 110% return or 90% return after converting back to MYR.
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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Sep 4 2020, 01:16 AM)
IMO, it's more important that you choose the ETF that gives you the higher expected return than obsessing with liquidity/currency issues. Choosing a shit ETF will give you shit returns even if you have the best liquidity/currency rate.

But then again, no one can predict the future.
Also, beware of expense fees. Unpopular ETFs tend to have higher expense fees. IMO, anything above 0.25% p.a. is high.
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Thank you Yggdrasil for the very detailed explanation. Your post basically illustrates the effects of currency movements on investment value. It's like macroeconomics 101. Your illustration assumes that USD/MYR exchange rate remains constant, but in the real world scenario, exchange rates constantly fluctuate. I actually plan to DCA into this ETF every 6 months, so hopefully I will average-out the exchange rate fluctuations.

But as you have mentioned in your second post, no one can predict the future, and that we should not obsess with liquidity or currency issues. I am not here to debate/speculate on currency movements. I am here for low-cost diversified investing. I agree that choosing the right (low-cost) index is more important. A lousy index gives lousy returns, and a hyped-up index may just be another bubble waiting to burst.

QUOTE(Gwynbleidd @ Sep 4 2020, 01:48 PM)
I'm a big fan of Vanguard FTSE All-World ETF too until an ETF that tracks the Global All Cap Index is introduced (hopefully by Vanguard too).
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Global All Cap Index? Meaning the index covers developed + emerging markets across large, medium, and small-cap sectors? It's gonna be expensive to track so many stocks across the globe. Most ETFs will "optimally replicate" the index to reduce operational fees. Even the Vanguard FTSE All-World doesn't fully replicate the index. And the weightage allocated to small-cap stocks are so small, their contributions (or lack-of) are insignificant to the overall index.

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