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post Sep 4 2021, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(hyunterx @ Sep 4 2021, 12:48 AM)
would it be counter productive if i buy the same stock that is in an ETF

lets say I buy tesla and ARKK at the same time, would it be counter productive?
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nope it means you are creating a "custom etf" for youself.

e.g., you put $100 into tesla, $100 into ARKK, you'll be exposing yourself to *55.245% of tesla

*50% + (10.49% / 2)
10.49% is current weightage of tesla in ARKK now https://ark-funds.com/arkk

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post Sep 15 2021, 12:05 AM

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Anyone bought some for CSPX?
Today up until almost 11 pm and down.
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post Jan 10 2022, 04:12 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Aug 2 2021, 12:37 PM)
I think you mean dividend withholding tax? That applies to US domiciled funds like VOO, rate is 30%. CSPX is UCITS, domiciled in Ireland, they still pay tax behind, rate is 15%, but that is factored in behind in the annual charges, so you don't need to sign any forms like W-8BEN etc.

In both cases (VOO and CSPX), the dividend will be affected since it is taxed anyway. The only thing to compare is whether the fees/charges from investing in CSPX UCITS, after accounting for the lower WHT of 15% vs 30% of VOO, is still lower than or higher than buying VOO directly the US. If it is lower, than CSPX is a better choice, if not, then VOO works better, for the long run. 

Can you share the link/source which states CSPX more expensive than VOO? I think the $10 per month is the monthly inactivity fee charges but that is abolished now. So it does not matter now. In the past few brokers allow one to access UCITS on LSE, IB is one of them, whereas US is a more developed market, so more brokers have access to them.     

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Hi, I'm New to ETF and IBKR. May I know which region of IBKR you register for ? as I can see many IBKR (US,UK,SG, AUS, etc.) and if we buy US etc we need to sign any forms like W-8BEN?

Thanks, your reply really means a lot to me. Thank you so much.
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post Jan 10 2022, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(lewei @ Jan 10 2022, 04:12 AM)
Hi, I'm New to ETF and IBKR. May I know which region of IBKR you register for ? as I can see many IBKR (US,UK,SG, AUS, etc.) and if we buy US etc we need to sign any forms like W-8BEN?

Thanks, your reply really means a lot to me. Thank you so much.
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Hello. If you start your registration newly directly with IBKR, your account is likely US-based, otherwise if you switched from TradeStation International, then your account will be UK-based. But it doesn't matter for the purpose of day-to-day matters. Your shares are held in custodian accounts either way. As long as the custodian is fine, you are fine. Bu there are differences in US and UK finance laws when things go wrong, consult a lawyer to know more.

The many IBKR websites that you see, like US, UK SG, AU etc. are just different servers across the region. You will be automatically be routed to the nearest server, usually SG/AU (for my case, HK). The account functions similarly for either servers. Account remains registered with either US or UK despite the different servers that you are routed to.

When you open an account with IB, during the registration steps, if you choose to invest in the US, you will sign the W-8BEN form by typing your name in the blank space provided, that's for dividend withholding tax purposes. All investors go through the same step.

Some members have created quality content on IBKR account opening, kindly refer to:

Gracie's blog: https://ringgitfreedom.com/investing/beginn...-from-malaysia/

Ziet's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f__HgJRe3nU




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post Jan 10 2022, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jan 10 2022, 10:12 AM)
The many IBKR websites that you see, like US, UK SG, AU etc. are just different servers across the region. You will be automatically be routed to the nearest server, usually SG/AU (for my case, HK). The account functions similarly for either servers. Account remains registered with either US or UK despite the different servers that you are routed to.

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no. ibkr has offices in those countries. the locals signs up under them, and their money protected under the respective country law...
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post Jan 10 2022, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jan 10 2022, 10:43 AM)
no. ibkr has offices in those countries. the locals signs up under them, and their money protected under the respective country law...
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I am saying from Malaysia's perspective. I suppose he will sign up from Malaysia. Of course, if say he is from Australia or SG, then his account will be AU-based and SG-based.

IBKR don't have offices in Malaysia.

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[quote=TOS,Jan 10 2022, 10:12 AM]
Hello. If you start your registration newly directly with IBKR, your account is likely US-based, otherwise if you switched from TradeStation International, then your account will be UK-based. But it doesn't matter for the purpose of day-to-day matters. Your shares are held in custodian accounts either way. As long as the custodian is fine, you are fine. Bu there are differences in US and UK finance laws when things go wrong, consult a lawyer to know more.

The many IBKR websites that you see, like US, UK SG, AU etc. are just different servers across the region. You will be automatically be routed to the nearest server, usually SG/AU (for my case, HK). The account functions similarly for either servers. Account remains registered with either US or UK despite the different servers that you are routed to.

When you open an account with IB, during the registration steps, if you choose to invest in the US, you will sign the W-8BEN form by typing your name in the blank space provided, that's for dividend withholding tax purposes. All investors go through the same step.


Thank you for the kind reply and settle my doubt. Thank you so much. appreciate it. then I shall go to the US based. I think the Ireland-Domiciled ETFs is available in the us-based IBKR am I right ?
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QUOTE(TOS @ Jan 10 2022, 10:50 AM)
I am saying from Malaysia's perspective. I suppose he sign up from Malaysia. Of course, if say he is from Australia or SG, then his account will be AU-based and SG-based.

IBKR don't have offices in Malaysia.
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Sorry for interrupting so from Msian perspective investing with IBKR entail some sort of risk which I think other Msian posters have posted before correct? With recent samtradefx hoo-ha (not the first but neither the last) in Spore it make investors more cautious what they go into. Understand IBKR is big almost unable to fail but we all know history like Lehman Brothers, Arthur Andersen (used to be one of the big five accounting firm) go missing etc

I hope Msian investors don't put all their eggs into one basket.
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QUOTE(TOS @ Jan 10 2022, 10:50 AM)
I am saying from Malaysia's perspective. I suppose he will sign up from Malaysia. Of course, if say he is from Australia or SG, then his account will be AU-based and SG-based.

IBKR don't have offices in Malaysia.
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you saying those ibkr .uk .hk .sg are servers... I'm just correcting you
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QUOTE(sgh @ Jan 10 2022, 11:12 AM)
Sorry for interrupting so from Msian perspective investing with IBKR entail some sort of risk which I think other Msian posters have posted before correct? With recent samtradefx hoo-ha (not the first but neither the last) in Spore it make investors more cautious what they go into. Understand IBKR is big almost unable to fail but we all know history like Lehman Brothers, Arthur Andersen (used to be one of the big five accounting firm)  go missing etc

I hope Msian investors don't put all their eggs into one basket.
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If want safe, look for a proper big broker with a long history. Like CS or TD Ameritrade
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QUOTE(lewei @ Jan 10 2022, 11:12 AM)
Thank you for the kind reply and settle my doubt. Thank you so much. appreciate it. then I shall go to the US based. I think the Ireland-Domiciled ETFs is available in the us-based IBKR am I right ?
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Yes, UCITS as they are called are available on IBKR. They are listed on multiple exchanges across Europe, most are in UK, some in Germany, Switzerland. Some are even found listed in Mexico. Check the fund providers website to know more. 2 well-known ones are Vanguard and Blackrock.

QUOTE(sgh @ Jan 10 2022, 11:12 AM)
Sorry for interrupting so from Msian perspective investing with IBKR entail some sort of risk which I think other Msian posters have posted before correct? With recent samtradefx hoo-ha (not the first but neither the last) in Spore it make investors more cautious what they go into. Understand IBKR is big almost unable to fail but we all know history like Lehman Brothers, Arthur Andersen (used to be one of the big five accounting firm)  go missing etc

I hope Msian investors don't put all their eggs into one basket.
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Counterparty risk exists whenever financial intermediaries come into play. Brokers, banks, forex, derivatives counterparts, swaps counterparts and even insurance companies all entail some form of counterparty risk. You can and should diversify, large fund houses typically have a few brokers. But managing accounts across brokers can be a hassle for many if you have small holdings. So one needs to balance between the marginal cost of managing multiple brokerage accounts and the marginal benefit of the extra security earned. One way of risk management is to verify your broker's finances. It's kind of a dilemma sometimes, you don't want your broker to earn a lot from you, yet earn too little you risk your broker failing. (That's why bankers are rich!)

QUOTE(dwRK @ Jan 10 2022, 11:24 AM)
you saying those ibkr .uk .hk .sg are servers... I'm just correcting you
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Yes sir, thanks for correcting. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(TOS @ Jan 10 2022, 12:51 PM)
Yes, UCITS as they are called are available on IBKR. They are listed on multiple exchanges across Europe, most are in UK, some in Germany, Switzerland. Some are even found listed in Mexico. Check the fund providers website to know more. 2 well-known ones are Vanguard and Blackrock.
Counterparty risk exists whenever financial intermediaries come into play. Brokers, banks, forex, derivatives counterparts, swaps counterparts and even insurance companies all entail some form of counterparty risk. You can and should diversify, large fund houses typically have a few brokers. But managing accounts across brokers can be a hassle for many if you have small holdings. So one needs to balance between the marginal cost of managing multiple brokerage accounts and the marginal benefit of the extra security earned. One way of risk management is to verify your broker's finances. It's kind of a dilemma sometimes, you don't want your broker to earn a lot from you, yet earn too little you risk your broker failing. (That's why bankers are rich!)
Yes sir, thanks for correcting. biggrin.gif
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Thanks you for the explanation, will now open one IBKR account for UCITS ETF. Appreciate
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What's the real long-term cost difference between say buying an ETF on something SC-approved like FSMOne vs. something like IBKR? Is it significant if for every trade I execute they're above RM10k? I view ETFs as a long-term investment vehicle so I tend to save up and then lump sump a couple times a year. In that case, would IBKR still provide a significant cost advantage over the "safety" of local SC-approved options?
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Jan 12 2022, 01:27 PM)
What's the real long-term cost difference between say buying an ETF on something SC-approved like FSMOne vs. something like IBKR? Is it significant if for every trade I execute they're above RM10k? I view ETFs as a long-term investment vehicle so I tend to save up and then lump sump a couple times a year. In that case, would IBKR still provide a significant cost advantage over the "safety" of local SC-approved options?
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IBKR has its own certification from the US. And it's been there for so long already.
Well known to be the cheapest broker to buy US or Europe stocks or elsewhere.

For local brokers they charge insane fees a trade.

So really don't see why not just stick with Interactive Brokers. IB also removed their inactivity fee hence why they so popular now.

Remember to sign up with a referral link so that will get bonus IBKR shares for every 100usd deposited. PMed you my link.

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Jan 12 2022, 01:27 PM)
What's the real long-term cost difference between say buying an ETF on something SC-approved like FSMOne vs. something like IBKR? Is it significant if for every trade I execute they're above RM10k? I view ETFs as a long-term investment vehicle so I tend to save up and then lump sump a couple times a year. In that case, would IBKR still provide a significant cost advantage over the "safety" of local SC-approved options?
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You have to pay extra stamp duty which is basically a tax revenue for govt doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 12 2022, 06:04 PM)
You have to pay extra stamp duty which is basically a tax revenue for govt  doh.gif
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There is no stamp duty for trading on Bursa Malaysia ETF.

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jan 12 2022, 07:22 PM)
There is no stamp duty for trading on Bursa Malaysia ETF.
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It is exempted only for Bursa listed ETF but only up to 2025 doh.gif
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The paper is available here, for those who are interested: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jofi.12727

Just in case there is a paywall (I can access it from my uni's linked-research portal), here is a downloaded copy: Attached File  The_Journal_of_Finance___2018___BEN___DAVID___Do_ETFs_Increase_Volatility.pdf ( 465.73k ) Number of downloads: 18


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Pitfalls in "high dividend-yield stock ETFs" by 天下杂志 (12-01-2022)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17tiQf8jk-i...iew?usp=sharing

Applies to Taiwan but the philosophy can be ported to anywhere else.

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post Apr 8 2022, 06:34 PM

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ETNs Look Safe. Investors Could Get Bitten.

Exchange-traded notes sound harmless, but most everyday investors need to beware

https://www.wsj.com/articles/etns-look-safe...share_permalink

Not all 3-lettered words begin with an "E" and ends with an "F". When it ends with an "N", you want to be more careful.

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