That would be some work to do. I am not going to spend time proving that my suggestion would work. There are not even enough prove to show that whom are the returning conmen. This implementation would means people like casual conmen or ffkers or blacklisted people would think twice before serious trying to do bad things. It is by no means a way to stop these people.

Just like how copy protections are being used in audio cds or pc games. You don't see these protection stopping piracy but you know that it is there to make life harder for people to pirate them. Publishers are willing to pay for those copy protections because it helps to fend of casual pirates.

I am not doing very extensive trading, so it doesn't really affect me but seeing people getting conned, ffked, scammed and all is really depressing. It really brings out the ugly side of Malaysian society. Worst is not so much as the victimizer but the victims who got scammed are the saddest. These people are just so ignorant when they see $$$ and no amount of teaching or tutorial are strong enough to beat the power of money. Of course it doesn't apply to everyone. Some really got scammed by opportunist under circumstances.

all that bs, and all you basically ended up proving is that talk is cheap.

i dont understand. why is it that there are always people who can make plenty of smart comments, but when asked to actually put those smart comments into action, they run and hide?

by making it harder for conmen to work, you'd actually make their job harder, but NOT able to put a stop to con/fraud cases. it boils back down to the seller/buyer themselves. it's their naivity that gets nails them, and lessons come with a price. not saying that they deserved to be conned, but their conscience and self-thought could have well prevented them from being conned.

even if you'll implement that so called system of yours, there will be still con/fraud cases. take an example of the scratch-and-win contests all over the country. most of the days i'd say there's at least a case reported on these scams, well published by major press in the country, but yet as days go by, you'll still see people getting scammed all over again.

I know LYN is not pure 100% trading but its a shame if we neglect the problem arising in the TZ. Its been already 3+ years since i registered but this past 6 months i see more con/fraud case than all those years.

There will always be con/fraud case unless we make an example out of one. As example look at fantasy garric or what was his/her nick was. Caught red handed con case but was let go. why? reason was he/she was a minor. Who know from this minor it will go to major as big as poweredge.

Refund and apologize. That all. What will other fraud/con wannabe will think? "So easy to get away even caught. I also want to con la like this." No point implementing advance system or anything if we dont take extreme action to stop it.

Take extreme action and all those shitty ass will run away from this community.

so what's your suggestion?

That's totally beyond the control of the admins and mods
What, i'm sure u dont expect them to file police reports for the victims
What could we possibly do if they dont want to?

As for the post limit again, it's already not encouraged to deal with newbies
If ppl want to, then they can at their own risk
Do we really need to make everything a rule, reminds me of being a toddler when my parent would say "Dont go near the knives!" instead of "Becareful when handling the knives"

Nothing can be done actually.. Blame it all on the buyer to be SO newbie than the newbie seller.. Got what i mean?

Not the admin and mod. Its already stated u all wont be doing anything like that( report on behalf of victim). I was voicing my thought to all the victim. Dont be nice. If u can make report, report. If u know the address and confirm their house, go there. If they are under age 18 below let their parent know even when they have refund back. At least give punisment not just "ok la he refund. kira 0-0 la."

Add another tag, Verified user. Buyer/seller apply by submitting IC copy, driver license copy, bank account with name same as IC and current picture. Thread in TZ can only be open by Verified user.

Just some suggestion dont flame me if cannot be done.

This post has been edited by duarnt: Sep 16 2006, 02:07 PM

Are you referring to the Hong1296 case? I agree with you.. No chance for them.. Giving them chance only increases the number of conners. Heavy punishment only will leave them doubt when they try to con.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=faq&article=38

Your link need to edit first..

forum members increase = more stupid users

more stupid users = more con cases

as you can see, con cases are dependant on stupid users. so it's not LYN problem. it's the people problem, which is beyond LYN's control.

they can be as idiotic as they want when it comes to trading. as long as they keep doing so, con cases will still be there.

But don't we all know that copy protection doesn't fend off casual pirates - for example, which major software isn't available for RM5 at your neighborhood CD shop? While the intentions are noble, it also affects and frustrates legitimate use.

Like copy protection, your suggestion has implications on legitimate newbie trading - while having dubious effectiveness in reducing con cases.

again, let me ask you what i have asked every other smart person who thought they were really smart and came up with wannabe smart ideas, trying to look smart, but who also ended up looking stupid.

the admin and staff work for FREE. they do NOT get paid. they work out of their FREE TIME. all your suggestions, require MORE WORK, which is unfair to ask the admin to do, because they already stressed that all trades in LYN are done AT YOUR OWN RISK.

so, unless YOU are willing to SPEND YOUR OWN TIME AND EFFORT in implementing all your smart ideas, VOLUNTEER to the admin. otherwise, please, your ideas have already been suggested by many other smart people in the past, and NONE of them have taken up the challenge of implementing their own smart ideas, directly making them look NOT smart, i.e. stupid.

all you suggestions:



the admin have NO CONTROL over people being stupid enough to not make police reports. it is NOT the admin's responsibility to educate stupid people.

This post has been edited by eBola: Sep 16 2006, 07:14 PM

Ok ok u dont have to be mad and all that CAPITAL letter. Sorry if u or other are offended in anyway. Im just some nobody with my 'smart ideas'. Pls forgive me master TE. Peace!