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TSBryanYip
post Oct 30 2014, 12:25 PM, updated 10y ago

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recently, my mom have dignosed the recurrence ovarian cancer, it called low grade serous papillary ademocarcinoma. at Last 7 years ago , she had done surgery to removed the tumor, that time the report show it was borderline maglinant.

she had surgery at end of september 2014 to removed the tumor.
she is 61 years old. This week, I had seek for oncologist in damansara specialist. the doctor advise us to go for chemo asap, the treatment have 6 cycle using paclitaxel +carboplatin. I search on website and found this drug is toxic and many side effect.

how should i do for my mom to make her better? i was worried she cannot go through the chemo process sad.gif.

please advise me asap. cos doctor says better start the chemo asap. please help
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IMHO, to help overcome the bad that comes with chemo, the person needs to have a strong immune system.

Have you heard of OMX Probiotics? My relative had a relapse in breast cancer and was spreading to other parts of her body. She is now taking this supplement and chemo at the same time. Her tumor marker has since drop drastically after about 2 months. I think the supplement helps build up immune system through building a good digestive system.

My take for a fighting chance with cancer is that the person needs to build up the immune system, exercise and go organics.
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Does ur mom willing to go for chemo ? Once chemo.., she will become weaker n advise that to take supplement.. my auntie did take excel cactus drink after chemo n she success to fight against her br3ast cancer.. now jz look like normal human..

Besides that, i heard that ' durian belanda' can fight against cancer as well.. one of my fren's fren who about 40++ years old got reccurent breas5 cancer stage 3 and her case cant fo operation as doc said she might paralyse if operation failed. Doc advise her to take durian belanda and blend it leaf and pucuk to drink.. and she did take sabah snake grass.. but got specigic amount..cant take over.. and las few days she told tat she released from cancer..


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In 1996, this lung adenocarcinoma lady in one of our associated offices in Ipoh
was also given carboplatin and Taxol, when she came down to Tung Shin.


Carboplatin and paclitaxel (Taxol) are both very old drugs.

Taxol was originally used in breast cancer.

Carboplatin is a derivative of cisplatin and has been around since the 80s.
It has far lesser side effects than cisplatin and is therefore more popular.

Cisplatin = Platinum


Chemo drugs, especially the older ones, are actually quite crude substances.
For example, a very popular one, cyclophosphamide, is actually derived from
nitrogen mustard.

So is BCNU, or carmustine, used in lymphomas. Carmustine is orange-yellowish, same as mustard.


Nitrogen mustard = Mustard gas = World War 1 poison gas


Paclitaxel was discovered over 50 years ago, from the Pacific yew tree.
It has been synthesized since the 90s.



Badawi's wife, Endon, was given Abraxane, the nanoparticle-bound version of
paclitaxel, which improves absorption and reduces the incidence
of side effects.

You could ask the oncologist if he could give your mum this alternative instead.
I presume it won't come cheap, as with most newer chemo drugs.


http://abraxane.com/



Otherwise, you could take your mum for a second opinion, say to Subang Jaya
Medical Centre, Beacon Hospital (formerly Wijaya Medical Centre) or Nilai
Cancer Institute, for a second opinion.

These other cancer centres may have the more advanced drugs, such as
the tyrosine kinase, EGFR and/or mTOR inhibitors, for her condition.

But be aware that these won't come cheap.



In addition, Beacon has Cyberknife, the robot radiation machine. I believe this
is the only one in the country. You could ask them if they could shrink your
mum's tumors with this instead of chemo.

Nilai has a similar advanced machine, Trilogy. This takes a digital image of
the tumor just before it fires the beam, so is more precise.


You can also read my posts in the ''Malignant Peripheral Nerve Sheath Tumor''
thread on supplements which fight cancer, particularly curcumin and pterostilbene.




This post has been edited by Tham: Oct 31 2014, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Oct 30 2014, 01:25 PM)
recently, my mom have dignosed the recurrence ovarian cancer, it called low grade serous papillary ademocarcinoma. at Last 7 years ago , she had done surgery to removed the tumor, that time the report show it was borderline maglinant.

she had surgery at end of september 2014 to removed the tumor.
she is 61 years old. This week, I had seek for oncologist in damansara specialist. the doctor advise us to go for chemo asap, the treatment have 6 cycle using paclitaxel +carboplatin. I search on website and found this drug is toxic and many side effect.

how should i do for my mom to make her better? i was worried she cannot go through the chemo process sad.gif.

please advise me asap. cos doctor says better start the chemo asap. please help
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Hi Bryan, can provide me your email? I can send you more info. icon_rolleyes.gif

I just read some about it today and also found this real medical report from hospital of this person who got 1.9cm ovarian dermoid cyst

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Oct 31 2014, 11:33 AM
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post Oct 31 2014, 01:09 PM

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Se-methylselenocysteine, or Se-MSC, the ''activated'' form of organic selenium,
against ovarian cancer.


Se-methylselenocysteine induces apoptosis through caspase activation
and Bax cleavage mediated by calpain in SKOV-3 ovarian cancer cells.


Se-MSC activates the cancer-fighting genes called caspase-3 and Bax,
and thus helps your mum's own genetic immune system to fight the cancer.

SKOV-3 is the name a group of ovarian cancer cells used in research.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12175527/




You can order Se-MSC as a supplement. It's made by Jarrow and
called ''Selenium Synergy''.

Suggested dosage would be 800 mcg daily, or 4 capsules a day.


http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Selen...60-Capsules/169



I take one or two caps daily for general health maintenance.






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post Oct 31 2014, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Oct 31 2014, 11:29 AM)
Hi Bryan, can provide me your email? I can send you more info. icon_rolleyes.gif

I just read some about it today and also found this real medical report from hospital of this person who got 1.9cm ovarian dermoid cyst
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please send to my email tromosomy@hotmail.com
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post Oct 31 2014, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(kikiroo @ Oct 30 2014, 11:12 PM)
Does ur mom willing to go for chemo ? Once chemo.., she will become weaker n advise that to take supplement.. my auntie did take excel cactus drink after chemo n she success to fight against her br3ast cancer.. now jz look like normal human..

Besides that, i heard that ' durian belanda' can fight against cancer as well.. one of my fren's fren who about 40++ years old got reccurent breas5 cancer stage 3 and her case cant fo operation as doc said she might paralyse if operation failed. Doc advise her to take durian belanda and blend it leaf and pucuk to drink.. and she did take sabah snake grass.. but got specigic amount..cant take over.. and las few days she told tat she released from cancer..
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you mean now she already cure? without chemo & drink durian belanda? can i get her contact?
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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Oct 31 2014, 04:04 PM)
please send to my email tromosomy@hotmail.com
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Hi I have just email you. But some info are in Chinese coz most good info are in Chinese. Let me know if you need info in English. I also have.
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post Oct 31 2014, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Oct 31 2014, 09:28 AM)
In 1996, this lung adenocarcinoma lady in one of our associated offices in Ipoh
was also given carboplatin and Taxol, when she came down to Tung Shin.
Carboplatin and paclitaxel (Taxol) are both very old drugs.

Taxol was originally used in breast cancer.

Carboplatin is a derivative of cisplatin and has been around since the 80s.
It has far lesser side effects than cisplatin and is therefore more popular.

Cisplatin = Platinum
Chemo drugs, especially the older ones, are actually quite crude substances.
For example, a very popular one, cyclophosphamide, is actually derived from
nitrogen mustard.

So is BCNU, or carmustine, used in lymphomas. Carmustine is orange-yellowish, same as mustard.
Nitrogen mustard = Mustard gas = World War 1 poison gas
Paclitaxel was discovered over 50 years ago, from the Pacific yew tree.
It has been synthesized since the 90s.
Badawi's wife, Endon,  was given Abraxane, the nanoparticle-bound version of
paclitaxel, which improves absorption and reduces the incidence
of side effects.

You could ask the oncologist if he could give your mum this alternative instead.
I presume it won't come cheap, as with most newer chemo drugs.
http://abraxane.com/
Otherwise, you could take your mum for a second opinion, say to Subang Jaya
Medical Centre, Beacon Hospital (formerly Wijaya Medical Centre) or Nilai
Cancer Institute, for a second opinion.

These other cancer centres may have the more advanced drugs, such as
the tyrosine kinase, EGFR and/or mTOR inhibitors, for her condition.

But be aware that these won't come cheap.
In addition, Beacon has Cyberknife, the robot radiation machine. I believe this
is the only one in the country. You could ask them if they could shrink your
mum's tumors with this instead of chemo.

Nilai has a similar advanced machine, Trilogy. This takes a digital image of
the tumor just before it fires the beam, so is more precise.
You can also read my posts in the ''Malignant Peripheral Nerve Sheath Tumor''
thread on supplements which fight cancer, particularly curcumin and pterostilbene.
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HI Tham, thanks for your details info. really appreciated. I had bought medical card for my mom, and my agent told me it was covered. however, i need to further check on it. You are the oncologist? I will seek another opinion on next monday. I going to UMSC, Dr.Ho (oncologist). can you recommend something if my mom don't go for chemo? or this is a must treatment.
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Oct 31 2014, 03:21 PM)
Hi I have just email you. But some info are in Chinese coz most good info are in Chinese. Let me know if you need info in English. I also have.
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steve1, thankyou.
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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Oct 31 2014, 04:40 PM)
steve1, thankyou.
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Oct 31 2014, 03:56 PM)
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sorry...i don't think eating this can cure my mom cancer la.
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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Oct 31 2014, 05:07 PM)
sorry...i don't think eating this can cure my mom cancer la.
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It is actually boost up the immune system effectively so that the natural killer cell in the immune system can fight the cancer cell. It is a chinese herb and not drug like prescribed by doctor. Anyway, up to you if you are not open for this alternative. I have done my part to share the information including medical report from the hospital.

p/s research paper by Sufen Zhao, Gang Ye, Guodong Fu, Jian-Xin Cheng, Burton B. Yang, Chun Peng. Published online on: Thursday, September 1, 2011.

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Abstract.
Ganoderma lucidum is a herbal mushroom known
to have many health benefits, including the inhibition of tumor
cell growth. However, the effect of Ganoderma lucidum on
epithelial ovarian cancer (EOC), the most fatal gynecological
malignancy, has not yet been reported. In this study, we
determined whether Ganoderma lucidum regulates EOC cell
activity. Using several cell lines derived from EOC, we found
that Ganoderma lucidum strongly decreased cell numbers in
a dose-dependent manner. Ganoderma lucidum also inhibited
colony formation, cell migration and spheroid formation. In
particular, Ganoderma lucidum was effective in inhibiting
cell growth in both chemosensitive and chemoresistant cells
and the treatment with Ganoderma lucidum significantly
enhanced the effect of cisplatin on EOC cells. Furthermore,
Ganoderma lucidum induced cell cycle arrest at the G2/M
phase and also induced apoptosis by activating caspase 3.
Finally, Ganoderma lucidum increased p53 but inhibited Akt
expression. Taken together, these findings suggest that
Ganoderma lucidum exerts multiple anti-tumor effects on
ovarian cancer cells and can enhance the sensitivity of EOC
cells to cisplatin.

Introduction
Ganoderma lucidum is a herbal mushroom that has been
widely used in preventive medicines in China and other Asian
countries for over 2,000 years. It has also become a popular
dietary supplement in Western countries. Ganoderma lucidum
contains many different bioactive compounds, which mainly
include triterpenoids, polysaccharides, nucleotides, sterols,
steroids, fatty acids, proteins/peptides and trace elements (1).
These substances are known to have many biological activities,
including anti-tumor (2), immunomodulatory (3), anti-viral
(4), anti-hepatitis (5), antioxidant (6), antihypertensive (7,8)
and anti-diabetic activities (9). . It has been reported that
Ganoderma lucidum extracts can inhibit tumor formation and
the proliferation of breast and prostate cancer, hepatoma,
melanoma lymphoma and myeloid leukemia cell lines (10-12).
Thus, Ganoderma lucidum could be used as a potential therapeutic
agent in the form of a dietary supplement for cancer patients.

Discussion
Ganoderma has been extensively used as a herbal medicine
for the treatment of diseases, including cancer, for centuries in
China, Japan and Korea (23). During the past decade, the
anti-cancer effect of Ganoderma has also been widely tested
in different cancer models in vivo and in vitro (24-26). In this
study, we demonstrate that Ganoderma has potent anti-tumor
effects on chemosensitive and chemoresistant ovarian cancer
cells and we uncover potential mechanisms by which
Ganoderma regulates cell proliferation, apoptosis and chemosensitivity.
To the best of our knowledge, this is the first report of
Ganoderma on ovarian cancer cells
You can download this file which has the full research report which includes many scientific diagram.

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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Oct 31 2014, 03:13 PM)
you mean now she already cure? without chemo & drink durian belanda? can i get her contact?
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yup, i heard from my fren that she jz released from cancer .. or i gv u the contact for sabah snake grass want? he know well to cure cancer as i saw a lot proof from him and ever see in newspaper.. or u can join the group in FB ..





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For those with cancer and considering taking "Sabah Snake Grass" please becareful and do your research properly.

http://alt.medicine.com.my/2013/07/sabah-s...-grass-warning/

In this article, some patient's condition worsen after consuming SSG.

http://alt.medicine.com.my/2013/07/sabah-s...-grass-warning/



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Abraxane in the treatment of ovarian cancer:
The absence of hypersensitivity reactions

http://www.gynecologiconcology-online.net/...0792-4/abstract



Abraxane and carboplatin in ovarian cancer.

Combination Therapy of Albumin-Bound Paclitaxel and Carboplatin
as First Line Therapy in a Patient with Ovarian Cancer.


http://www.hindawi.com/journals/crionm/2014/940591/#B10






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The Chinese herbs Scutellaria baicalensis and Fritillaria cirrhosa target
NFκB to inhibit proliferation of ovarian and endometrial cancer cells.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24249479/



Scutellariae Baicalensis, 黄芩 , Huang Qin, a very common anticancer
herb you can buy at any Chinese medicine hall. It is one of the 50
fundamental herbs of TCM.

https://www.activeherb.com/chineseherbs/huangqin.shtml

http://www.activeherb.com/extract/huangqin.shtml



Fritillaria cirrhosa = Chuan Bei Mu = 川贝母

http://www.activeherb.com/chineseherbs/chuanbeimu.shtml

http://www.activeherb.com/extract/chuanbeimu.shtml



Scutellaria baicalensis's major anticancer flavonoids are :

Baicalin
Baicalein
Wogonin


Another well-known Chinese anticancer herb is Rabdosia rubescens.

http://alternativehealing.org/dong_ling_cao.htm


Rabdosia rubescens's main cancer fighting flavonoids are :

Oridonin
Ponicidin




Combined activity of oridonin and wogonin in advanced-stage ovarian
cancer cells: sensitivity of ovarian cancer cells to phyto-active chemicals.


'' The initial response rates of advanced-stage epithelial ovarian cancer to
the chemotherapeutic agents carboplatin and paclitaxel are high. However,
once drug resistance develops, further chemotherapy is less effective. ''

'' .... oridonin and wogonin may have activity in ovarian cancer following
its development of resistance to carboplatin and paclitaxel. ''


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20872277/?



Wogonin and oridonin can be ordered in bulk from China.







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I read this book and got some info - Healing Without Medication: A Comprehensive Guide to the Complementary Techniques Anyone Can Use to Achieve Real Healing - by Robert S. Rister

Here are some extract:

Symptom Summary

- Abdominal swelling
- Lumps or masses in the abdomen
- Vaginal bleeding
- Difficult urination
- Lower back pain

These symptoms are caused by many conditions in addition to ovarian cancer.

Understanding The Disease Process

Most (but not all) epidemiological studies have found that the women at greatest risk of ovarian cancer have the highest dietary consumption of fat and milk products. Women who consume more than 4 eggs per week are nearly twice as likely to develop ovarian cancer as women who consume one of fewer eggs per week.

Women who develop this form of cancer typically have very high levels of iron in their blood. Surveys have also found that the risk of ovarian cancer is lowest in women who consume the most dietary fiber, vitamin A, vitamin E, beta-carotene, and lycopene. Study found that taking 45 IU of natural vitamin E a day (also less than the smallest commercially available capsule) reduced women's risk of ovarian cancer by 67%.

Treatment Summary

Quercetin: 125 mg 3 times a day with meals.
Selenium: 200 mg daily.
Soy isoflavones: 3,000 mg daily.

Note: Nutritional supplementation does not replace medically directed therapy for ovarian cancer.

Warning Notes:

Do not take quercetin if you are also receiving antibiotic treatment.
Do not take selenium while taking chemotherapy or radiation.





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Treatment Summary

Quercetin: 125 mg 3 times a day with meals.
Selenium: 200 mg daily.
Soy isoflavones: 3,000 mg daily.

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The guy who wrote that book is not particularly well-informed.

Those small amounts of quercetin and selenium are for supplementation and
prevention when you don't have cancer, and are too tiny to be useful in someone
who already has cancer, particularly advanced stages.


With just about 125 x 3 = 375 mg of poorly absorbed plain quercetin a day,
hardly anything will reach the cancer.


You will need a MINIMUM of 800 mcg of selenium to have any worthwhile
anticancer action, and you also need to take the RIGHT form of selenium.

Inorganic sodium selenite is the form of selenium with direct anticancer action,
but since toxicity also comes in at a relatively lower level of 1,000 mcg and above,
particularly in a caes of an elderly lady, I have therefore suggested that she
take the active organic form, Se-methylselenocysteine.



Selenite cytotoxicity in drug resistant and
nonresistant human ovarian tumor cells.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/52/17/4812.long

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1511444



Prevention of carboplatin-induced resistance in
human ovarian tumor xenografts by selenite.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24122988/




He also does not realize that quercetin is very poorly absorbed, and you need
to take enhanced forms, such as isoquercetin and alpha-glycosyl isoquercitrin,
to have any chance of it reaching the tumors in sufficiently active amounts.


http://www.pureencapsulations.com/isoquerc...bioperiner.html

http://www.integrativepro.com/Products/Ant...l-Isoquercitrin









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QUOTE(Tham @ Nov 2 2014, 10:22 AM)
The guy who wrote that book is not particularly well-informed.

Those small amounts of quercetin and selenium are for supplementation and
prevention when you don't have cancer, and are too tiny to be useful in someone
who already has cancer, particularly advanced stages.
With just about 125 x 3 = 375 mg of poorly absorbed plain quercetin a day,
hardly anything will reach the cancer.
You will need a MINIMUM of 800 mcg of selenium to have any worthwhile
anticancer action, and you also need to take the RIGHT form of selenium.

Inorganic sodium selenite is the form of selenium with direct anticancer action,
but since toxicity also comes in at a relatively lower level of 1,000 mcg and above,
particularly in a caes of an elderly lady, I have therefore suggested that she
take the active organic form, Se-methylselenocysteine.
Selenite cytotoxicity in drug resistant and
nonresistant human ovarian tumor cells.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/52/17/4812.long

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1511444
Prevention of carboplatin-induced resistance in
human ovarian tumor xenografts by selenite.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24122988/
He also does not realize that quercetin is very poorly absorbed, and you need
to take enhanced forms, such as isoquercetin and alpha-glycosyl isoquercitrin,
to have any chance of it reaching the tumors in sufficiently active amounts.
http://www.pureencapsulations.com/isoquerc...bioperiner.html

http://www.integrativepro.com/Products/Ant...l-Isoquercitrin
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Thanks for the info icon_rolleyes.gif Just wondering his mother ovarian cancer is at which stage at this point of time. hmm.gif
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As both Scutellaria baicalensis and Rabdosia rubescens are considered in
traditional Chinese medicine to be "cooling" or "Yin" herbs, they tend to have
marked diuretic and laxative action.


Thus, it is best to balance them with a "warming", "heaty" or "Yang" herb/formula.


Both these "warming" formulas have anticancer action.

1. Shi Quan Da Bu Wan (十全大补汤) (''Ten Big Tonic Pills'')
Japanese Kampo iequivalent Juzen taiho-to (Formula TJ48).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Quan_Da_Bu_Wan

http://www.activeherb.com/shiquan/




2. Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan (補中益氣丸).
Kampo equivalent Hochu ekki-to (Formula TJ41).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bu_Zhong_Yi_Qi_Wan

http://www.activeherb.com/buzhong/




You can also buy Shi Quan Da Bu Tang at Hai-O. Cheap.

https://mall.hai-o.com.my/product_info.php?...0778c1435754cf6


This local Chinese herbal factory in Ipoh also makes it. Formula No. 65.

http://www.mahtai.com/site/liquid_products_range.html



Book on Shi Quan Da Bu Tang / Juzen Taiho-to.

http://www.chipsbooks.com/juzen.htm

http://downloads.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2006/138231.pdf




Shi-quan-da-bu-tang (ten significant tonic decoction), SQT.
A potent Chinese biological response modifier in cancer immunotherapy,
potentiation and detoxification of anticancer drugs.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1294861



A Kampo medicine "Juzen-taiho-to"--prevention of malignant progression
and metastasis of tumor cells and the mechanism of action.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10864015



Shi Quan Da Bu Tang against gliomas, aggressive brain cancers.

Anti-angiogenic and immunomodulatory effect of the herbal
medicine "Juzen-taiho-to" on malignant glioma.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16272699/



Potentiation of chemotherapeutic activity by a
Chinese herb medicine juzen-taiho-toh.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3130806




An Overview of Traditional Chinese Herbal Formulae.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC516452/



Cancer and Traditional Chinese Medicine.

http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/disea...dicine-tcm.html












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QUOTE(Tham @ Nov 2 2014, 10:34 AM)
As both Scutellaria baicalensis and Rabdosia rubescens are considered in
traditional Chinese medicine to be "cooling" or "Yin" herbs, they tend to have
marked diuretic and laxative action.
Thus, it is best to balance them with a "warming", "heaty" or "Yang" herb/formula.
Both these "warming" formulas have anticancer action.

1. Shi Quan Da Bu Wan (十全大补汤)  (''Ten Big Tonic Pills'')
Japanese Kampo iequivalent Juzen taiho-to (Formula TJ48).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Quan_Da_Bu_Wan

http://www.activeherb.com/shiquan/
2. Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan  (補中益氣丸).
Kampo equivalent Hochu ekki-to (Formula TJ41).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bu_Zhong_Yi_Qi_Wan

http://www.activeherb.com/buzhong/
You can also buy Shi Quan Da Bu Tang at Hai-O.  Cheap.

https://mall.hai-o.com.my/product_info.php?...0778c1435754cf6
This local Chinese herbal factory in Ipoh also makes it. Formula No. 65.

http://www.mahtai.com/site/liquid_products_range.html
Book on Shi Quan Da Bu Tang / Juzen Taiho-to.

http://www.chipsbooks.com/juzen.htm

http://downloads.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2006/138231.pdf
Shi-quan-da-bu-tang (ten significant tonic decoction), SQT.
A potent Chinese biological response modifier in cancer immunotherapy,
potentiation and detoxification of anticancer drugs.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1294861
A Kampo medicine "Juzen-taiho-to"--prevention of malignant progression
and metastasis of tumor cells and the mechanism of action.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10864015
Shi Quan Da Bu Tang against gliomas, aggressive brain cancers.

Anti-angiogenic and immunomodulatory effect of the herbal
medicine "Juzen-taiho-to" on malignant glioma.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16272699/
Potentiation of chemotherapeutic activity by a
Chinese herb medicine juzen-taiho-toh.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3130806
An Overview of Traditional Chinese Herbal Formulae.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC516452/
Cancer and Traditional Chinese Medicine.

http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/disea...dicine-tcm.html
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combination of western and Chinese herb?
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Thanks for the info  icon_rolleyes.gif  Just wondering his mother ovarian cancer is at which stage at this point of time. hmm.gif
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it is stage 2C. do u think that let my mom to go for chemo is the good choice? i really scare la.
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Abraxane in the treatment of ovarian cancer:
The absence of hypersensitivity reactions

http://www.gynecologiconcology-online.net/...0792-4/abstract
Abraxane and carboplatin in ovarian cancer.

Combination Therapy of Albumin-Bound Paclitaxel and Carboplatin
as First Line Therapy in a Patient with Ovarian Cancer.


http://www.hindawi.com/journals/crionm/2014/940591/#B10
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tham, u think this is good for my mom? I wondering which doctor & hospital is gd for chemo? private or public?
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it is stage 2C. do u think that let my mom to go for chemo is the good choice? i really scare la.
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I am afraid i am not qualify to advice you on that. but what i can advice is regardless you undergo chemo, taking the quality health food supplement esp lingzhi and other supplement like bee pollen (more than 200 nutrient) will definitely help to improve your mom's health condition. Cancer is a very complicated thing to handle. Although I read much about it, I think I am still touching the iceberg of it.

Btw, yesterday I just got to know that 5 years ago, an uncle (think about 70 years old) who diagnosed with prostrate cancer (terminal stage) recovered after 5 months taking our health food supplement. He almost give up one month after taking the lingzhi because of the severe healing crisis which he gotta endure. But fortunately he didn't give up and continue to take it and eventually 5 months later, his cancer was cleared. If you like to know more of this case and what else he do to get healed, you can contact me ya. icon_rolleyes.gif
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As I have already explained to you, Abraxane is Taxol in an improved
carrier vehicle, so is far better than plain Taxol.

Plain Taxol is not very soluble in water, so they dissolved it in Cremophor,
which is actually a form of castor oil. This is bound to cause allergic reactions
and other side effects.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolliphor_EL#Side_effects


'' Its use has been associated with severe anaphylactoid hypersensitivity reactions,
hyperlipidaemia, abnormal lipoprotein patterns, aggregation of erythrocytes and
peripheral neuropathy. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11527683



That is why I have suggested that you ask the oncologist if he has Abraxane.


If not, then you should go to other hospitals, especially those that are dedicated
to cancer treament, since these will have :

1. More advanced drugs, particularly the newer generation ''targeted'' ones -

Tyrosine kinase inhibitors
VEGF inhibitors
mTOR inhibitors


2. Advanced radiotherapy machines - Cyberknife, Trilogy, Tomotherapy, Synergy.


Beacon Hospital has Cyberknife.

Nilai - Trilogy

Subang Jaya - Tomotherapy

Pantai - Synergy

Mount Miriam, Penang - Tomotherapy



http://www.pantaicancersupport.com/radiati...py-malaysia.php

http://www.mountmiriam.com/page/services/c...omotherapy.aspx




Operators of the various machines claim advantages with their systems over others.

My preference is towards tomotherapy, since this can treat multiple tumors,
unlike Cyberknife, which can only treat one tumor at a time.

It also appears Cyberknife cannot radiate large tumors.

Tomotherapy is thus more suited for treating cancer at late stages, which
would have metastasized to many places.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m46t834g_90


However, Trilogy and Elekta Synergy are both also quite good.

http://www.elekta.com/healthcare-professio...ekta-synergy.ht

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEAxq3G1GQ4




http://www.stamfordhospital.org/Services/S...ife-Treats.aspx


http://www.cancerbeware.com/comparison_chart.html


http://www.umgcc.org/trilogy/tech_compare.pdf


http://www.brachytherapy.com/tomotherapy.aspx



http://www.nst.com.my/node/23709




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You might wanna consider Immunotherapy too. Tham, what do you think of Immunotherapy. But not many hospital got this i think.
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You might wanna consider Immunotherapy too. Tham, what do you think of Immunotherapy. But not many hospital got this i think.
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Some of the holistic and/or mainstream doctors who also practise
alternative/nutritional medicine have it.

An example would be those doctors who practise chelation therapy.

One I know is a Dr Bala in Dataran Mentari, whom I talked to some years ago.

However, for hospital settings, you would have to go to those in Tijuana, Mexico, Switzerland, Eastern Europe and Russia.





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Some of the holistic and/or mainstream doctors who also practise
alternative/nutritional medicine have it.

An example would be those doctors who practise chelation therapy.

One I know is a Dr Bala in Dataran Mentari, whom I talked to some years ago.

However, for hospital settings, you would have to go to those in Tijuana, Mexico, Switzerland, Eastern Europe and Russia.
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And holistic doctors seem like pretty rare. Myself I know one at Jalan Raja Laut
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recently, my mom have dignosed the recurrence ovarian cancer, it called low grade serous papillary ademocarcinoma. at Last 7 years ago , she had done surgery to removed the tumor, that time the report show it was borderline maglinant.

she had surgery at end of september 2014 to removed the tumor.
she is 61 years old. This week, I had seek for oncologist in damansara specialist. the doctor advise us to go for chemo asap, the treatment have 6 cycle using paclitaxel +carboplatin. I search on website and found this drug is toxic and many side effect.

how should i do for my mom to make her better? i was worried she cannot go through the chemo process sad.gif.

please advise me asap. cos doctor says better start the chemo asap. please help
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You may want to look into Beacon Hospital, they are specialist in cancer.
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tham, u think this is good for my mom? I wondering which doctor & hospital is gd for chemo? private or public?
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Your mother's cancer at a moderate Stage 2C is not that advanced.

Why not try a course of traditional Chinese medicine ?

Tung Shin's Chinese medical division has an oncology professor there.

http://www.tungshin.com.my/consultants/chi...ogy/?s&x=8&y=17




The Chinese Medical Association has an outpatient clinic at Jalan Hang Jebat
(formerly Jalan Davidson), right next to the Boy Scouts building.

It's been there for decades. I used to go there occasionally for treatment.

It's charity based. A visit to their general physicians plus medicine won't
cost more than ten dollars.

A few years ago, there was also a cancer specialist who used to come in
on Saturday afternoons. He may still be there - try calling them.

They've also opened a branch in Pudu, but I don't think there's any cancer
specialist there.


http://www.mcma.com.my/contactus.php



Otherwise, this Chinese physician, David Mun, in Jalan Landak, Pudu,
has quite a reputation, as you will read here.

Me and my late mum saw him several times in 1988, but could not continue
to afford the high cost of the herbs there.

He doesn't take your pulse in the usual TCM style, but diagnoses your condition
on the spot by looking at you. It seems he's one of those ''medium'' physicians.

He's in his 70s now, and apparently semi-retired. Be aware that the herbs there
won't be cheap, and you'll likely need to take your mum there weekly or biweekly.



http://markkay.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/dr...e-practitioner/


http://healingpilgrim.com/2011/03/28/the-h...n-of-kl-part-i/



He's also listed here with others.

http://cubatengok-lim.blogspot.com/2014/09...ine-clinic.html








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This famous Chinese cancer formula, ''Pien Tze Huang'' , which was supposed
to have been formulated during the Ming Dynasty, is actually an mTOR inhibitor.

The main component, 85 percent, is Panax notoginseng, or Tien Chi.

Also seems to be well known in Indonesia.


Inhibition of ovarian cancer cell proliferation by Pien Tze Huang
via the AKT-mTOR pathway.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4049676/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24932287/



Pien Tze Huang suppresses the stem-like side
population in colorectal cancer cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24173665



Pien Tze Huang induces apoptosis in multidrug‑resistant U2OS/ADM cells via downregulation of Bcl‑2, survivin and P-gp and upregulation of Bax.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24337940/



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pien_tze_huang


http://www.xherbal.com/proddetail.php?prod=PTH002



This looks like the local distributor :

http://www.myhomedeco.com/company/11804/NA...D-%28-2804-T%29




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If you're reading this and your mom hasn't gone for chemotherapy, then she probably still has a big chance of recovery.

1. Chemotherapy contribution to 5-year survival rate is just around 2% across the board.
2. 75% of oncologists recommending cisplatin (and its derivative) wouldn't recommend the same to themselves and family members.
3. Chemotherapy and chemo drugs are carcinogenic and contributes to secondary cancer.
4. Grape seed extract is some of the most powerful substance that has been shown repeatedly to be very effective against many types of cancer cells, including breast cancer, colon cancer, skin cancer, etc, including growth reduction of cancer cells and selectively triggers apoptosis among cancer cells while keeping normal cells unharmed.

Edit: Grape seed extract can treat cancer successfully even at Stage IV.
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Hi Love&Money, she haven't go for chemo, cos, she refuse to do now. my sister wedding on next month, thats why she don't want to go now. we giving the e.excel product and ask her drink more green tea now. perphaps slow down the cell.

but, why you said better not to chemo? what make think like that? you had bad experience?
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Your mother's cancer at a moderate Stage 2C is not that advanced.

Why not try a course of traditional Chinese medicine ?

Tung Shin's Chinese medical division has an oncology professor there.

http://www.tungshin.com.my/consultants/chi...ogy/?s&x=8&y=17
The Chinese Medical Association has an outpatient clinic at Jalan Hang Jebat
(formerly Jalan Davidson), right next to the Boy Scouts building.

It's been there for decades. I used to go there occasionally for treatment.

It's charity based. A visit to their general physicians plus medicine won't
cost more than ten dollars.

A few years ago, there was also a cancer specialist who used to come in
on Saturday afternoons. He may still be there - try calling them.

They've also opened a branch in Pudu, but I don't think there's any cancer
specialist there.
http://www.mcma.com.my/contactus.php
Otherwise, this Chinese physician, David Mun, in Jalan Landak, Pudu,
has quite a reputation, as you will read here.

Me and my late mum saw him several times in 1988, but could not continue
to afford the high cost of the herbs there.

He doesn't take your pulse in the usual TCM style, but diagnoses your condition
on the spot by looking at you. It seems he's one of those ''medium'' physicians.

He's in his 70s now, and apparently semi-retired.  Be aware that the herbs there
won't be cheap, and you'll likely need to take your mum there weekly or biweekly.
http://markkay.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/dr...e-practitioner/
http://healingpilgrim.com/2011/03/28/the-h...n-of-kl-part-i/
He's also listed here with others.

http://cubatengok-lim.blogspot.com/2014/09...ine-clinic.html
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Hi Tham, thanks. I heard Tung Shin also, the lady professor. i will bring my mom there soon.
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update us the progress ya
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Hi Love&Money, she haven't go for chemo, cos, she refuse to do now. my sister wedding on next month, thats why she don't want to go now. we giving the e.excel product and ask her drink more green tea now. perphaps slow down the cell.

but, why you said better not to chemo? what make think like that? you had bad experience?
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Why do you go for these direct sales products ?

Direct sales companies are all run by conmen out to fleece you. These
people are all laymen with little or no knowledge of the genetic and
biochemical signalling pathways of cancer cells, but experts at the
pyramid system of clever marketing.

My sister's friend was convinced by their sales talk and spent over
$ 20,000 on their products over the years, dying of uterine cancer.

I tried to impart my knowledge to her, but she didn't seem to
understand what I was trying to tell her.


One of the boss's sisters here was pushing these Excel products some years ago.
A typical regimen would cost you an arm and a leg - easily $1,000 - 2,000 a month.

Ridiculous prices. Even the boss himself couldn't afford to buy them.

Excel is run by one Taiwanese conwoman.

Isn't their anticancer product prickly pear cactus juice, costing $500 a bottle, which
one of the posters here enquired about recently ?

You can get it in capsule form from Iherb anytime.


As for green tea, she should be taking EGCG instead.

When you go for cancer-fighting supplements, you should take their active
fractions or extracts - the flavonoids and polyphenols.

That was why I mentioned pterostilbene to many of you here.

It takes 2,000 to 2,500 cups of blueberries to extract 50 mg of pterostilbene,
the typical capsule strength in supplement form.

An cancer-fighting dosage would be 200 to 300 mg a day.

Pterostilbene outperforms resveratrol when it comes to cancer -

Half-life
Bioavailablity
Blood-brain barrier penetration
PPAR gamma activation, while resveratrol inhibits it.


http://www.iherb.com/Genceutic-Naturals-pT...60-V-Caps/45610

http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-trans...-Capsules/38096

http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Ptero...-Capsules/46055




Genomic analysis of pterostilbene predicts its antiproliferative
effects against pancreatic cancer in vitro and in vivo.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22450950



Pterostilbene, a bioactive component of blueberries, suppresses
the generation of breast cancer stem cells within tumor microenvironment
and metastasis via modulating NF-κB/microRNA 448 circuit.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23504987/



Influence of berry polyphenols on receptor signaling and
cell-death pathways: implications for breast cancer prevention.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3383353/



Pterostilbene, a natural analogue of resveratrol, potently inhibits
DMBA/TPA-induced mouse skin carcinogenesis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22842666









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Grape seed extract is one of the most potent in reducing cancer cell growth and triggering apoptosis on cancer cells. Grape seed extract is very powerful because its antioxidant as measured by its ORAC rating is very high. And clinical studies repeatedly found grape seed extract to be very effective against many types of cancer cells, whether it is in vitro (applied on test tube) or in vivo (applied on human).
er, I suggest grape seed extract (GSE) is already enough. GSE alone is more powerful against cancer than most any other compounds. GSE commands very high ORAC rating unmatchable by most types of food source.
source please. I can't find it from orac website , http://oracvalues.com.
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Most people die sooner rather than later after taking chemo, because chemo itself is carcinogenic, toxic, and destroy the immune system completely, so the patient would be very vulnerable to all sorts of diseases and viruses. Vomiting, hair loss, weight loss, etc etc all sorts of side effects you can do research on your own.

Green tea is nothing. Grape seed extract is one of the most potent in reducing cancer cell growth and triggering apoptosis on cancer cells. Grape seed extract is very powerful because its antioxidant as measured by its ORAC rating is very high. And clinical studies repeatedly found grape seed extract to be very effective against many types of cancer cells, whether it is in vitro (applied on test tube) or in vivo (applied on human).

And beware of Chinese products. They may have research to show, but the most concern is the quality. Without strong quality background (i.e. ISO), the standards would differ.

I hate to do promotion in case people would accuse me of this or that with vested interest, but if you're staying in Kota Damansara you can go to Alpha Pharmacy (or anywhere in KL at Caring Pharmacy branches) and ask for this product called EverBerries. It has grape seed extract as one of its ingredients.

By the way, cancer cells thrive in anaerobic, sugary, and acidic environment. So to control the cancer cells a bit with your own effort, your mom needs to 1) AVOID all diets involving sugar/fructose, 2) take more fresh air, and 3) AVOID acidic foods (go for alkaline-based diet). Avoid places where people smoke. Avoid drinking alcohol. Take more fruits and vegetables.

Yeah, don't go for MLM shits. They are all shits. Trust me.
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In going against cancer, I suggest grape seed extract (GSE) is already enough. GSE alone is more powerful against cancer than most any other compounds. GSE commands very high ORAC rating unmatchable by most types of food source. Yes, there are many different types of antioxidants, but the antioxidants found in GSE is the most diverse (in application) against many types of cancer cells in addition to being very potent.
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Hi Money & Honey, if this grape seed extract (GSE) is so good to cancer patient, why the doctor/oncologist did not recommend to patient? cos the doctor/oncologist told me non of the supplement can help my mom.

And, what I read from internet, the GSE is more on cancer prevention purpose, but my mom already have this cancer.
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Antitumor effect of green tea polyphenol epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG)
in ovarian carcinoma cells: evidence for the endothelin-1 as a potential target.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16741061




Epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG), a natural polyphenol, inhibits cell
proliferation and induces apoptosis in human ovarian cancer cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20682977/



(-)-Epigallocatechin-3-gallate is a novel Hsp90 inhibitor.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2701625/

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/bi801637q




Epicatechins Purified from Green Tea (Camellia sinensis) Differentially
Suppress Growth of Gender-Dependent Human Cancer Cell Lines.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16786054




Activity of green tea polyphenol epigallocatechin-3-gallate
against ovarian carcinoma cell lines.

http://e-crt.org/journal/view.php?id=10.41...t.2004.36.5.315




Advances in the treatment of ovarian cancer:
a potential role of antiinflammatory phytochemicals.


'' Recent studies further indicate that apigenin, genistein, kaempferol,
luteolin, and quercetin potently inhibit VEGF production and
suppress ovarian cancer cell metastasis in vitro.

Lastly, oridonin and wogonin were suggested to suppress ovarian
CSCs (cancer stem cells) as is reflected by down-regulation of the
surface marker EpCAM. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22284780/




Synergism from sequenced combinations of curcumin and
epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG) with cisplatin in the killing
of human ovarian cancer cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21508356



Inhibitory effect of Epigallocatechin gallate on ovarian cancer
cell proliferation associated with aquaporin 5 expression.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21698451



Enhancement of Cisplatin-Mediated Apoptosis in Ovarian Cancer Cells
through Potentiating G2/M Arrest and p21 Upregulation by Combinatorial
Epigallocatechin Gallate and Sulforaphane.

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jo/2013/872957/




Epigallocatechin gallate and sulforaphane combination treatment
induce apoptosis in paclitaxel-resistant ovarian cancer cells
through hTERT and Bcl-2 down-regulation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3577973/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23333498





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If a supplement can effectively cure cancer, supported by countless independent clinical trials, the supplement company CANNOT claim to cure cancer or else the health authority will come after the company with legal repercussion.

If a pharmaceutical drug can effectively eliminate cancer cells along with healthy cells, weaken the immune system considerably, with many negative side effects, and with the risk of causing secondary cancer in the future, the drug company CAN claim the drug to cure cancer without any legal repercussion from any health authority.
Corruption and sin, without end.
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Yeah choose supplement wisely. One way is to find out the certification and accreditation it received by reputable body.
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QUOTE(Love & Money @ Nov 12 2014, 12:55 PM)
What I can speculate is that TS may ask the oncologist again and the oncologist would use scare tactics like saying, "You don't trust your own doctor? Your doctor that is specially trained to cure cancer? You rather choose to believe in a quack that is not even a doctor to start with? I say this, if you don't take chemotherapy then you are a stupid person. Who said the survival rate of cancer survivors are so low? Nonsense! There is so much progress taking place over the years in chemotherapy. Don't worry. This is science. Don't you love your mother?" After hearing this , TS would most likely to say YES to chemotherapy.

Life and death is fated.

Chemotherapy causes death in more than 25% of cancer patients
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BOTH conventional and alternative treatment i would say. Conventional treatment like chemo like cause heavy side effect which need alternative treatment like strong antioxidant and detox supplement to REDUCE the conventional treatment side effect.
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It is a known fact that:
1. Chemotherapy is a failure
2. Oncologists don't prescribe to themselves the same chemotherapy they prescribe to the patients
3. Cancer patients die from chemotherapy than from the cancer itself
4. Despite knowing absolutely nothing about nutrition, doctors continue to accuse natural treatment (with foods and herbs) to be unworkable
5. The health industry is a multi-trillion (not billion, not million) dollar industry

So why are the health authorities still allow such failure to exist?

They say "Follow the money."

How true.
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Yeah my friend not long ago just undergo chemo in Singapore and continue some session here. Total cost I think about RM70k
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Analysis of Safety from a Human Clinical Trial with Pterostilbene.

'' Pterostilbene is generally safe for use in humans at doses up to 250 mg per day. Pterostilbene is well-tolerated at a twice daily dosing frequency. ''

250 mg = 10,000 to 12,500 cups of blueberrries.


http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2013/463595/



Dietary intake of pterostilbene, a constituent of blueberries, inhibits
the β-catenin/p65 downstream signaling pathway and colon
carcinogenesis in rats .

http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/content/3...ourcetype=HWCIT



Television Viewing and Time Spent Sedentary
in Relation to Cancer Risk: A Meta-Analysis.


'' Self-reported TV viewing and screen time tends to be underestimated,
suggesting that the true adverse effect of TV viewing time on cancer
risk may be stronger than that estimated in our study.

In summary, findings from this meta-analysis of sedentary behavior
and cancer provide epidemiologic evidence for a deleterious effect
of prolonged sitting time on risk for certain types of cancer. ''

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/106/7/dju098.full









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I went to pharmacy, they recommend my mom to this for better antioxidant & detox. They said many cancer patient take this. please click this link for the product, http://nuvapinea.com/content.php?id=2&lang=1

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QUOTE(Love & Money @ Nov 14 2014, 07:17 PM)
This is only to those humble and open enough to listen and believe:

People with cancer need to go thru' complete change of lifestyle such as avoid eating junk foods, avoid taking animal proteins such as steak, chicken, and pork, increase intake of plant-based diet (fruits and vegetables), exercise more, take fresh air, avoid smoking or be a 2nd-hand smoker, avoid sugary food, avoid RO water which is acidic, take sufficient sleep, be stress-free, etc.

Most fail to do these because people habitually take the easy (and most tempting) way out.
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Yeah lifestyle/habit is one of the hardest to change. I think majority sort of 'know' what to take and what to avoid, but action unable to make it happen.

My thought is not to be so hard to self also. Change to healthier lifestyle step by step and start from the biggest one like cut smoking and cut alcohol. For the friends to the cancer patient, your role to remind and support them also very important. smile.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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No mention of chemopreventive characteristics.
No statement on the ORAC rating of its claimed antioxidant property.

If recommend for the sake of better antioxidant, then I say it is still not high enough.

The website stated it is 5x higher antioxidant activity than blueberry.
Blueberry is 4669 per 100 gram, according to oracvalues.com
As the serving is 320 mg, I computed the actual antioxidant power you would actually get is (23345 / 100 * 0.32) = 74.7

There is no point if the antioxidant is this low to have any significant effect.
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The antioxidant property of the herb or supplement is not of so much
importance when you look for its anticancer properties.

When you fight a highly complex disease like cancer, whose cells multiply vide
countless genetic and biochemical signalling pathways, you must fight a ''smart'' battle.


Normal cells die off after dividing 50 times - the Hayflick Limit.

This Hayflick Limit is due to a ''program'' in the cell's DNA. The codes for this
program are in the many genes and biochemicals which control the cell's divisions
and eventual ''programmed cell death'', or apoptosis.


In other words, the cell's divisions and die-off is a fine balance amongst the many
antiapoptotic and apoptotic genes in the DNA.

Examples of antiapoptotic genes - Bcl-2 family, Bcl-xL, RAS, PKC, STAT3.
PAK, Akt, PI3K, mTOR, IGF1.

Apoptotic genes - p53, p21, p27, Fas, BAX, caspases, Merlin, NF1, PTEN, TNF.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Signal_t...on_pathways.svg



The apoptotic genes are also called tumor suppressor genes.

The main tumor suppressor gene is p53, the ''Guardian of the Genome'',
our principal genetic defence against cancer.


If these genes mutate, becoming overactive (in the case of the antiapoptotic genes)
or underactive (apoptotic genes), due to many factors such as viruses. drugs,
chemicals, radiation, foods, other genes - this fine balance is disrupted. The cells
then go haywire, do not die, and multiply out of control - thus becoming cancerous.


In other words, cancer cells are your own cells whose program has gone haywire.

Cancer cells are immortal - as long as you feed them, they grow forever.


Thus, in fighting a ''smart'' battle, you try to target these genetic and their
downstream or upstream signalling pathways.


If you read the abstracts on studies, you will note that supplements like curcumin,
pterostilbene and EGCG (even the Chinese herbal formula Pien Tze Huang) target
these pathways, and that is why I advised Bryan Yip's mum to start on them.





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Cytotoxic drugs kill cancer cells by oxidation, rather than antioxidation.


My friend, William O'Rights. from Maine, died of small cell lung cancer in May 2009.

His extensive regimen included 300 mg of grape seed extract.

He also took resveratrol 500 mg lozenges, considered a very high dosage.


http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/23038...ndpost&p=251618



Resverarol has very potent antioxidant power, but -

An extremely short half-life of just 15 minutes
Bioavailabity of 20 percent
Poor blood-brain barrier penetration
Inhibits PPAR gamma under certain conditions, enhancing cancer growth.


Pterostilbene -

Half-life of almost 2 hours
Bioavailablity of up to 80 percent
Good blood-brain barrier penetration
Activates PPAR gamma




'' The strongest evidence of anticancer action of resveratrol exists for tumors it can
contact directly, such as skin and gastrointestinal tract tumors. For other cancers,
the evidence is uncertain, even if massive doses of resveratrol are used.
Resveratrol treatment appeared to prevent the development of mammary tumors
in animal models; however, it had no effect on the growth of existing tumors. ''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resveratrol#Cancer




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Yes, cancer thrives in anaerobic environment, thus oxygen is needed to kill cancer.

I am not sure if oxidation is the exact meaning as oxygenation.
I will check it out.

Update:
I've checked. Oxidation has nothing to do with oxygenation.
Oxidant is free radical that causes cancer.
So cytotoxic drugs that use oxidation to treat cancer would be like dousing fire with gasoline.
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Only kiddies do name calling and insults.
Are you a kiddie?

Try to get into a mature discussion if you can.
Triggering another person's emotion is a big no.
But if you want an argument, I am always ready for it.
Do you want it?
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Saying the statement is bullshit = name calling. Oh wow

Anyway. There is no way for you to scientifically prove it as it is false
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You are unaware of how cancer drugs work.

Cytotoxic drugs such as the alkylating agents and the anthracyclines
work by generating free radicals, i.e. oxidation, to crosslink the cancer
cells' DNA and thus kill them, or slow their growth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemotherapy#Alkylating_agents

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2153443



Look at the wrinkles below your eyes as you age - that's an example
of crosslinking.

Classic examples are the mustards - carmustine (BCNU), cyclophospamide.

One of the newer alkylating drugs is temozolomide, used in glioblastomas.
It is a derivative of the old drug, dacarbazine, used in Hodgkin's lymphomas.

The anthracyclines are actually antibiotics - classical examples being
doxorubicin, bleomycin. Their free radicals and DNA crosslinking tends
to damage the heart, doxorubicin being well-known for this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemotherapy#Organ_damage



Amrubicin, a newer one and long used in Japan, has lesser cardiotoxicity.
Drugs take countless years to get approved in the USA, and I tried to get
Bill into an amrubicin trial at that time, but his oncologist was sleeping on it,
even though the trial was being held right in his hospital at that time.



The Longecity forum, previously called the Immortality Institute, is made up
of highly knowledgeable people in life extension, including Bill himself.
That thread was over 3,000 posts long, with many people contributing
their knowledge towards his treatment, me included.


Small cell lung cancer is one of the most highly aggressive cancers.
At advanced stages, survival is measured in weeks - typically one to
three months.

Standard chemotherapy with cisplatin and etopiside, plus second-line
chemo with drugs like irinotecan, may improve that to about 10 months.

With his extensive supplement protocol, Bill managed to make it to make
it to about 20 months.



This is an exceptional case, with limited disease.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18787355/




Resistance sets in rapidly after initial response to first-line drugs.

'' The future of SCLC treatment may however lie with molecularly targeted
therapies, such as antiangiogenesis agents and signal transduction inhibitors,
which are being studied at present. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15325033/





I'm well aware of the poor bioavailability of curcumin, as are most of those
in the above forum.

http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Curcu...-Capsules/49382

http://www.iherb.com/Natural-Factors-Curcu...ggie-Caps/42940

http://www.iherb.com/Advanced-Orthomolecul...ggie-Caps/42242





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If any Tom, d***, and Hairy taunt me to give prove and I oblige, I would be a very busy person.

Go do your own study and research first before spitting nonsense.
If I have proof, then what are you going to do?
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Because you don't have proof and any so called proof you have will be rubbish also. Don't believe? Go ahead and try to prove yourself.

You can't.
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Aiyo, we can just share and discuss here. Don't have to keep personal attacking and counter-attacking one. icon_rolleyes.gif
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hi all, I was really appreciated all the comments from ur guy. I will try my best to help my mom to fight for the cancer.

where I can buy the Maitake Mushrooms product?

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatments...itake-mushrooms

Is this product good for my mom?

http://eganmedical.wordpress.com/2012/12/0...t-egan-medical/

Please comment.
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Hi All, recommend from Pharmacy. They said can anti-cancer. Extract from Palm Oil fruit.




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Hi All,

Got one pharmacy recommend my mom to consume this. What you think?
http://nova.com.my/images/stories/E-Catalo...to-9_Tablet.pdf


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Hi All,

Got one pharmacy recommend my mom to consume this. What you think?
http://nova.com.my/images/stories/E-Catalo...to-9_Tablet.pdf
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That is just a mild phyto-based supplement.

It will hardly touch a kitten's cancer, let alone your mum's.

I have already advised you to start your mum on pterostilbene and selenium
immediately, given you the studies and links where to order them, but you
don't seem to have taken any interest.

I was formerly a member of this forum, where many of the members are life
extensionists, all highly knowledgeable in the genetic and biochemical pathways
controlling aging and difficult diseases like cancer, as well as the drugs and latest,
cutting-edge supplements which combat them.

The forum and its website was formerly known as the Immortality Institute.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/


Almost half the posts in this thread were mine.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/25952-cancer-knowledge/


I also took part in my friend's, William O'Rights, very difficult fight against
advanced small cell lung cancer, an extremely aggressive cancer with survival
time estimated to be several WEEKS at that time. We managed to take him to
almost two years.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/23038...ighting-cancer/


http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/26610...nd-supplements/



Pharmacists and most local doctors here won't know what we know.


Ask your pharmacist if he or she realizes that the following common drugs
fight cancer. You won't be surprised if they give you a blurry look.

1. Metformin, a common diabetic drug costing just 10 cents each, which is
also considered a life extension drug.

2. Celecoxib (Celebrex), a common painkiller.

3. Mebendazole (Vermox) and albendazole (Zentel), the deworming drugs.

4. Sodium valproate (Epilim), the old epilepsy drug.

5. Darifenacin (Vesicare) and solifenacin (Enablex), the newer drugs for
irritable bladder.



Repurposing Drugs in Oncology (ReDO) :
mebendazole as an anti-cancer agent.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4096024/



Albendazole: a Potent Inhibitor of Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor
and Malignant Ascites Formation in OVCAR-3 Tumor-Bearing Nude Mice.


OVCAR-3 is an aggressive, drug-resistant ovarian cancer cell line
commonly used in cancer drug research.

http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/12/6/1928





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That is just a mild phyto-based supplement.

It will hardly touch a kitten's cancer, let alone your mum's.

I have already advised you to start your mum on pterostilbene and selenium
immediately, given you the studies and links where to order them, but you
don't seem to have taken any interest.

I was formerly a member of this forum, where many of the members are life
extensionists, all  highly knowledgeable in the genetic and biochemical pathways
controlling aging and difficult diseases like cancer, as well as the drugs and latest,
cutting-edge supplements which combat them.

The forum and its website was formerly known as the Immortality Institute.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/
Almost half the posts in this thread were mine.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/25952-cancer-knowledge/
I also took part in my friend's, William O'Rights, very difficult fight against
advanced small cell lung cancer, an extremely aggressive cancer with survival
time estimated to be several WEEKS at that time. We managed to take him to
almost two years.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/23038...ighting-cancer/
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/26610...nd-supplements/
Pharmacists and most local doctors here won't know what we know.
Ask your pharmacist if he or she realizes that the following common drugs
fight cancer. You won't be surprised if they give you a blurry look.

1.  Metformin, a common diabetic drug costing just 10 cents each, which is
also considered a life extension drug.

2. Celecoxib (Celebrex), a common painkiller.

3. Mebendazole (Vermox) and albendazole (Zentel), the deworming drugs.

4. Sodium valproate (Epilim), the old epilepsy drug.

5. Darifenacin (Vesicare) and solifenacin (Enablex), the newer drugs for
irritable bladder.
Repurposing Drugs in Oncology (ReDO) :
mebendazole as an anti-cancer agent.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4096024/
Albendazole: a Potent Inhibitor of Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor
and Malignant Ascites Formation in OVCAR-3 Tumor-Bearing Nude Mice.


OVCAR-3 is an aggressive, drug-resistant ovarian cancer cell line
commonly used in cancer drug research.

http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/12/6/1928
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Hi Tham, thanks for feedback. I had tried to get pterostilbene and selenium for my mother. however, most pharmacy do not had these. So, now, i have given her green tea powder, EverBerries, & Tumeric powder. She is drinking it in everyday.

Hence, can you tell me where I can find the pterostilbene and selenium in KL. Really appreacisted.


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Hi Tham, can my mom take the Prosure powder? Cos she was ovarian cancer?
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Hi Tham, can my mom take the Prosure powder? Cos she was ovarian cancer?
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Yes, she can take Prosure.

Anyone can take it, really. Part of the whey protein in it is hydrolyzed, or
predigested to smaller peptides, so that people with not-so-good digestive
systems - the elderly, cancer patients, IBS people (like me) - has an easier
time absorbing it.

It also has a certain amount of MCTs or medium chain triglycerides (found
in coconut oil) as fats, as an easier source of energy. MCTs are typically
used by bodybuilders and athletes.

http://nutritionreview.org/2013/04/medium-...lycerides-mcts/


It also has some fish oil, which fights the cachexia (muscle wasting) of cancer
and aging.

I buy it sometimes for my father in the nursing home, as a cheaper alternative to Peptamen.

Nestles' Peptamen is better - higher proportion of hydrolyzed whey protein and MCTs,
though it lacks the fish oil. More expensive, about $80 a tin now. Used to be about $60.

http://www.nestle.com.my/brands/Health_Science/peptamen

I used to give my father Peptamen.


William took Peptamen AF with fish oil, which you can't find here.

http://www.blowoutmedical.com/peptamen-af.html







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Hi Tham, thanks for feedback. I had tried to get  pterostilbene and selenium for my mother. however, most pharmacy do not had these. So, now, i have given her green tea powder, EverBerries, & Tumeric powder. She is drinking it in everyday.

Hence, can you tell me where I can find the pterostilbene and selenium in KL. Really appreacisted.
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It's good that she is drinking the above supplements everyday.


Common sense would tell you that you don't go around looking for advanced
supplements like pterostilbene and Se-methylselenocysteine in the half-past-six
pharmacies around here.

The people in the local companies which import or manufacture supplements don't
have the technical know-how for that. They, like the pharmacists, would wonder what
you are talking about, if you ask them about Se-methylselenocysteine.

Even if they do, the prices of their products on the shelves here would skin you
alive, especially at the dosages you need to fight cancer.

The one exception might be Livewell, which has brought in or manufactured
a more comprehensive range in recent years, but their resveratrol product is
tiny and costs a bomb.


That's why I gave this earlier.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=71183423


Livewell's resveratrol is just 20 mg.

William was taking 500 mg lozenges, because he had trouble swallowing towards
the end of his life, the cancer pressing on his esophagus.



Pterostilbene.

The cheapest from Iherb is that by Source Naturals.

http://www.iherb.com/search?kw=pterostilbene&x=0&y=0#p=1



That on the US and European markets are just 50 to 100 mg and expensive because
the patent, Pteropure, is owned by this Chromadex company.

https://chromadex.com/ingredients/pteropure.html



Chinese manufacturers produce it using a much cheaper method :

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13213-014-0922-z



'' In China they are producing it in vats of specilly bred (non-GMO) microorganisms. ''

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/69079...ndpost&p=649108



So what you can do is, order in bulk powder from one of these suppliers, then buy
empty capsules to fill them in. Look for only those supplying 98 - 99 % pure pterostilbene.

Many of the members in the Longecity forum do this for their supplements.

http://www.alibaba.com/countrysearch/CN/pterostilbene.html




This supplier has a minimum order of 100 grams, at a cost of US $25 per kg.

100 grams would be enough for 400 250 mg, or 200 500 mg capsules.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Pter...1149484777.html






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Dietary ω-3 Polyunsaturated Fatty Acid DHA:
A Potential Adjuvant in the Treatment of Cancer.


http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2013/310186/




Docosahexaenoic acid: a natural powerful adjuvant that improves
efficacy for anticancer treatment with no adverse effects.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22038684




Selective sensitization of tumors to chemotherapy
by marine-derived lipids: a review.

'' However, DHA and EPA do not sensitize non-tumor tissues to anticancer
drugs, which suggests that the effect of these lipids is tumor selective. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22850619



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It's good that she is drinking the above supplements everyday.
Common sense would tell you that you don't go around looking for advanced
supplements like pterostilbene and Se-methylselenocysteine in the half-past-six
pharmacies around here.

The people in the local companies which import or manufacture supplements don't
have the technical know-how for that. They, like the pharmacists, would wonder what
you are talking about, if you ask them about Se-methylselenocysteine.

Even if they do, the prices of their products on the shelves here would skin you
alive, especially at the dosages you need to fight cancer.

The one exception might be Livewell, which has brought in or manufactured
a more comprehensive range in recent years, but their resveratrol product  is
tiny and costs a bomb.
That's why I gave this earlier.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=71183423
Livewell's resveratrol is just 20 mg.

William was taking 500 mg lozenges, because he had trouble swallowing towards
the end of his life, the cancer pressing on his esophagus.
Pterostilbene.

The cheapest from Iherb is that by Source Naturals.

http://www.iherb.com/search?kw=pterostilbene&x=0&y=0#p=1
That on the US and European markets are just 50 to 100 mg and expensive because
the patent, Pteropure, is owned by this Chromadex company.

https://chromadex.com/ingredients/pteropure.html
Chinese manufacturers produce it using a much cheaper method :

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13213-014-0922-z
'' In China they are producing it in vats of specilly bred (non-GMO) microorganisms. ''

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/69079...ndpost&p=649108
So what you can do is, order in bulk powder from one of these suppliers, then buy
empty capsules to fill them in. Look for only those supplying 98 - 99 % pure pterostilbene.

Many of the members in the Longecity forum do this for their supplements.

http://www.alibaba.com/countrysearch/CN/pterostilbene.html
This supplier has a minimum order of 100 grams, at a cost of  US $25 per kg.

100 grams would be enough for 400  250 mg, or 200 500 mg capsules.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Pter...1149484777.html
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Hi Tham, I can find it at GNC for the selenium, but which one is better?

http://www.gnclivewell.com.my/product_info...id=177&cPath=16

http://www.gnclivewell.com.my/product_info...id=166&cPath=54

Also, they had grape seed exstract & green tea extract

http://www.gnclivewell.com.my/prod.php?cPa...ame=Antioxidant

is that a quality product ?


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Besides supplement, also make sure to maintain an alkaline-based diet.

Cancer cells thrive in acidic environment.
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OK, noted. but, totally no meat also cannot, will not enough protein to build cell.

my sister ask me to buy eexcel product for my mom.
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Why do you even want to buy your supplements at GNC, whose prices
here are nothing short of RIDICULOUS ?

I've already taught you what hardly anyone else in this country know about
cancer-fighting supplements, as well as common drugs you can find anywhere.

Have you ever heard from any doctor or pharmacist, let alone a laymen, that
Zentel, for example, is a cancer fighter ?

I've also given you the direct links to the direct cancer-fighting ones and their
suppliers - it took me quite some time to select that particular China supplier
which had a reasonable minimum order amount for pterostilbene - most of the
others require an order of at least 1 kg, if you note.

Didn't you know that supplements in this country are being sold at absurd prices ?

GNC's prices are easily THREE TIMES what you would pay if you are to order from
the states, or even the UK, even accounting for postage.

Not only that, the supplements here are just general purpose lightweight ones.
You can't find pterostilbene, Se-MSC, sodium selenite, EGCG nor resveratrol
at cancer-fighting doses here.


You seem hesitant to order them from abroad. Didn't you know that quite a number
fo the members here order from Iherb ? I've been doing so for years, as well as
other online health food stores, such as Betterlife.com.


Anyway, if you insist on GNC, get the plain selenium.

http://www.gnclivewell.com.my/product_info...id=166&cPath=54


The above looks like selenium yeast, which is more for prevention and has
little direct anticancer action.


Compare the above with this other yeast-based selenium which I've ordered before.
This is 3.6 times more than what you get above, at a quarter of the cost.

http://www.iherb.com/healthy-origins-selen...80-tablets/6899




The forms of selenium with DIRECT anticancer action as shown in studies, are :

Sodium selenite

Seleno diglutathione

Methyselenocysteine


Seleno diglutathione, which selenite is metabolized to, is not usually sold
as a supplement.



This thread was started by a poster to relate his contact with another cancer
patient who used sodium selenite alone to fight his cancer.

You can read the amount of selenite which this guy, Ray Crossley, whom I had
corresponded with a few years ago, took. He had Stage 4 prostate cancer.

The selenite he used was not from health food stores - it was actually meant
for drenching, or deworming, cattle.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/67301...re/#entry627228



7,500 mcg for a 300 pound man would be equivalent to about 2,500 mcg for
someone of your mum's weight.



Twinlab's sodium selenite.

http://www.iherb.com/Twinlab-Sodium-Seleni...00-Capsules/244





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Natrol's alpha lipoic acid, which I've ordered a few times.

http://www.iherb.com/Natrol-Alpha-Lipoic-A...0-Capsules/6922



GNC's product ''on sale''.

http://www.gnclivewell.com.my/prod.php?cPa...ame=Antioxidant




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Now's EGCG. This has 200 mg EGCG, compared to 125 mg in the GNC product.


http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-EGCg-Green-...t-90-Vcaps/1105



Pomegranates are also cancer fighters, partly due to their ellagic acid content.

The GNC one on offer at $56 might just be the only product there worth buying.



Thompson's product here has almost as much ellagic acid, and has blueberry
as well for good measure.

http://www.iherb.com/Thompson-Pomegranate-...Chewables/16096



21st Century's product also seems to have good reviews.

http://www.iherb.com/21st-Century-Health-C...ggie-Caps/15495





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I thought that eexcel is not trustworthy.
Just a concern, whenever it has to do with MLM.
The product may be good or bad, but one thing for sure is the price is going to be a ripoff.
Get more review from members around here before you finally decide to buy MLM products.
Is your sister a member of eexcel?
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my sister not eexcel member. she heard good feedback from friend about the product. especially their nutriact product, which had Brazil mushroom. it good for anti cancer.

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Why do you even want to buy your supplements at GNC, whose prices
here are nothing short of RIDICULOUS ?

I've already taught you what hardly anyone else in this country know about
cancer-fighting supplements, as well as common drugs you can find anywhere.

Have you ever heard from any doctor or pharmacist, let alone a laymen, that
Zentel, for example, is a cancer fighter ?

I've also given you the direct links to the direct cancer-fighting ones and their
suppliers - it took me quite some time to select that particular China supplier
which had a reasonable minimum order amount for pterostilbene - most of the
others require an order of at least 1 kg, if you note.

Didn't you know that supplements in this country are being sold at absurd prices ?

GNC's prices are easily THREE TIMES what you would pay if you are to order from
the states, or even the UK, even accounting for postage.

Not only that, the supplements here are just general purpose lightweight ones.
You can't find pterostilbene, Se-MSC, sodium selenite, EGCG nor resveratrol
at cancer-fighting doses here.
You seem hesitant to order them from abroad. Didn't you know that quite a number
fo the members here order from Iherb ? I've been doing so for years, as well as
other online health food stores, such as Betterlife.com.
Anyway, if you insist on GNC, get the plain selenium.

http://www.gnclivewell.com.my/product_info...id=166&cPath=54
The above looks like selenium yeast, which is more for prevention and has
little direct anticancer action.
Compare the above with this other yeast-based selenium which I've ordered before.
This is 3.6 times more than what you get above, at a quarter of the cost.

http://www.iherb.com/healthy-origins-selen...80-tablets/6899
The forms of selenium with DIRECT anticancer action as shown in studies, are :

Sodium selenite

Seleno diglutathione

Methyselenocysteine
Seleno diglutathione, which selenite is metabolized to, is not usually sold
as a supplement.
This thread was started by a poster to relate his contact with another cancer
patient who used sodium selenite alone to fight his cancer.

You can read the amount of selenite which this guy, Ray Crossley, whom I had
corresponded with a few years ago, took. He had Stage 4 prostate cancer.

The selenite he used was not from health food stores - it was actually meant
for drenching, or deworming, cattle.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/67301...re/#entry627228
7,500 mcg for a 300 pound man would be equivalent to about 2,500 mcg for
someone of your mum's weight.
Twinlab's sodium selenite.

http://www.iherb.com/Twinlab-Sodium-Seleni...00-Capsules/244
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hi tham, the reason why I not order from aboard, is that the time I need to wait for the product to arrive is longer. and , if I buy locally can save time.

how you think about eexcel product, like nutriact and act.?

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Bryan,
Make sure your mom receive equal importance not only in supplement, but also in diet and lifestyle. Avoid RO water. Eat more fruits and vege (kale, for example).

No idea about nutriact but I will ask around. I will also ask for professional advice that I personally know. Will get back to you later.

I believe including too many supplements together could be harmful.

Selenium is good.
Maybe you can buy 1-month supply of selenium locally first and at the same time order from abroad which may take 2-3 weeks of express delivery for lower cost.

Vitamin C and E are also good, but stay away from the synthetics.
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Thanks. she eats more vegi & fruit now.

how we know that vitamin is synthetics?
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Thanks. she eats more vegi & fruit now.

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Example for Vitamin C, if you see 'ascorbic acid' then it is synthetic. Other examples are:

Vitamin E: dl-alpha tocopherol

More info - http://www.foodmatters.tv/articles-1/how-t...al-or-synthetic
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Bryan,
Make sure your mom receive equal importance not only in supplement, but also in diet and lifestyle. Avoid RO water. Eat more fruits and vege (kale, for example).

No idea about nutriact but I will ask around. I will also ask for professional advice that I personally know. Will get back to you later.

I believe including too many supplements together could be harmful.

Selenium is good.
Maybe you can buy 1-month supply of selenium locally first and at the same time order from abroad which may take 2-3 weeks of express delivery for lower cost.

Vitamin C and E are also good, but stay away from the synthetics.
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May we know what are the sources which support the avoidance of RO water?
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RO water is well known to be acidic.
Even if it goes through the coconut husk filter, it's still mildly acidic (below 7) and long-term consumption will cause joint pain.
To stay on the safety side, avoid any foods that are acidic in nature.
RO water is good initially for extracting toxin out of the body, but long-term consumption is not advisable.
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Acidic? Most nutritious foods, e.g. fruits, and perhaps various vegetable and meat sources are acidic, i.e. below pH of 7.

Also can you post some sources saying acidic foods are harmful, and alkaline foods (hmm, what foods are alkaline??) are healthy?
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Really?
Sure?
Confirmed?
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Don't have to look far. Your oranges, lemons, lime are among the ones that are lower pH. Even sweet ones like papaya and mango are generally acidic. I guess vegetables are more towards the higher pH in alkaline zone, as well as in the acidic zone. There are charts easily available online for the pH of most types of foods.
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Okay, before I refute your points, let's confirm this.
You're saying
Please define what is the meaning of most.
Most as in over 50%?
Most as in over 75%?
Most as in over 90%?
And ALL of these "most" foods are nutritious and beneficial for treating cancer?
Please confirm for me.
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Wouldn't know, have not calculated. Would you have it?

MANY of the commonly regarded as nutritious fruits, let's say: orange, lemon, mangos, watermelon, papaya, pineapples, blueberries, cherries, bananas, strawberries - all have a pH value lower than 7.

MANY commonly regarded as nutritious vegetables, e.g. parsley, asparagus, broccoli, cabbage, carrots, spinach, cucumbers, eggplant - all have a pH value lower than 7.

Unless you're saying there are various ones that are non-acidic, i.e. not below pH value of 7, that will be highly beneficial for treating cancer?



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recently, my mom have dignosed the recurrence ovarian cancer, it called low grade serous papillary ademocarcinoma. at Last 7 years ago , she had done surgery to removed the tumor, that time the report show it was borderline maglinant.

she had surgery at end of september 2014 to removed the tumor.
she is 61 years old. This week, I had seek for oncologist in damansara specialist. the doctor advise us to go for chemo asap, the treatment have 6 cycle using paclitaxel +carboplatin. I search on website and found this drug is toxic and many side effect.

how should i do for my mom to make her better? i was worried she cannot go through the chemo process sad.gif.

please advise me asap. cos doctor says better start the chemo asap. please help
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Hi, it's almost one month now after your post, no sure whether my opinion still able to helps or not.


Have you find another oncologist for second opinion? You need to ask the doc, whether chemo is the last option, what is the percentage of recovery? What are the side effect we are expecting? After chemo, what's the next steps? If we decide not go for chemo, how long will it worse to another stage?

Even though chemo have lot of side effects, but in western medical POV is one of two options (chemo/radiation) proven for killing the cancer cell. A very strong immune system (physical/mentally) is needed for patient going through chemo. If cancer cells are too much in the system, most patient are dead from chemo instead of cancer.

Outside there are many alternative ways for killing cancers, I believe you may now come across ppl approaching with their miracle product. Not to say their product is not working, but different ppl react differently. There are some MLM product (cannot mention their name), soursop tea, sabah snake grass, cannibis oil, porcupine bezoar stone and few chinese herbs that claim to heal cancer patient. However all with no guarantee.

Time is very crucial for cancer patient, with all the info you have gather, next you need to discuss thoroughly with your family what is the best decision for your mum. I wish you all the best for your mum and your family. Take care, bro~
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QUOTE(Love & Money @ Nov 27 2014, 08:32 PM)
I also wouldn't know and have not calculated and don't have it.
But I know of this thing called alkaline diet that serves to maintain the pH value of the body to be over 7.
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So I guess most of the commonly accepted as nutritious food that are at the same time consumed most commonly in Malaysia, as listed above, are acidic. So is RO water that you claim is acidic which you've said is unhealthy. That's why I asked if you have any researched sources that state that RO water is unhealthy? Would be interested to read it.

Yes I too have read about the alkaline diet concept before. Easiest and simplistic conclusion is eat a diet filled with lots of and a large variety of fresh vegetables and moderate fruits, and have as little refined food as possible in order to achieve what the alkaline diet proposes.
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Can Eating Alkaline Foods Help Fight Cancer?
Most nutritious foods for our well-being are alkaline in nature.
Those foods that are not alkaline like red meat and sugar, are not nutritious.

Edit:
I mean artificial sugar, processed sugar, and synthetic sugar. Natural sugars like sugar cane and honey are great, but to stay on the safe side, try to avoid any sugary stuff.
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By the way, you have to understand that there's a very big difference between food that are acidic by nature, and food that are considered acidic under the alkaline diet concept. It's a big difference.
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I know RO is bad for the joints in the long run.
And no water in the world is acidic except RO water, because it is devoid of minerals.
Great for treating kidney and detox in the first few months, but thereafter would be harmful.

No reason to say refined or processed foods are good for you.
We all know junk foods are very bad.
There was a study on some aborigines that never need to brush their teeth, never get sick, never get cancer, but once take the western diet of junks, starts to have numerous diseases.
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RO water cannot be more acidic then a strawberry, a papaya, or an orange. And no way can it be more acidic than your gastric juices that can corrode even metal. So how would it be harmful? Would love to see any credible research done, or something that is more logical, not based on pure belief.

Junk foods are bad in excess due to many of the additives. The main thing would be excess calories and lack of vitamins and minerals leading to either obesity, malnutrition, or even skinny fat. Once in a while, your body manages it quite well, and you can even use them to enhance your health goals by 'giving yourself a treat' psychologically.

But let's stick to the topic of RO water as that was my initial question, in response to your earlier post that it is unhealthy. I wouldn't wanna go so far off topic too on this particular thread regarding ovary cancer.
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Read the WHO article from 1980. Basically yes it does say that pure RO water, over long term consumption, is likely to yield a negative impact. Theoretically, the best water would then be RO water, and mixed with your fruit juice, smoothies, or protein shake, etc. in order to reintroduce magnesium, calcium, and increase TDS.

But practically, you can't do that at home. How many times can you drink a protein shake or a juice. RO systems are best suited for commercial use, such as the Coway system that comes with hot/cold, has high displacement of water, and has a responsive servicing team.

Then again, it doesn't mean consuming RO water would harm you outright. Once a day would be perfectly fine I guess.

For home use, I believe the best brand (in terms of balancing between value for money, affordability, and efficacy) would be Aquasana. But it's lacking a UV filter, which you could custom fit I guess. That's as of my understanding back in 2012. New brands may have cropped up since then or existing brands improved their filtration system.

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QUOTE(Love & Money @ Nov 27 2014, 10:04 PM)
Do you know RO water is also car battery water (in Malay is called 'air suling')?

Yes theoretically you can mix the RO water with shakes, etc. Never heard of Aquasana.
Last time I searched at eBay some are selling 11-stage filtration system for around RM1,000.
6-stage filtration would be far cheaper, like around RM400 over.
But of course some DIY is necessary.
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Doesn't really matter what it's called. As long as we know it's perfectly safe, and even much healthier than regular stuff you get from some cheap filtration.

Aquasana is a US brand. Like it because it is an all round performer in all the NSF certifications that some of the most expensive brands have, and even offers a money back guarantee, and to top all of that, is much cheaper than most other highly popular brands. Too bad the Malaysian distributor doesn't provide the money back guarantee (last I checked in 2011/12).
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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Oct 30 2014, 12:25 PM)
recently, my mom have dignosed the recurrence ovarian cancer, it called low grade serous papillary ademocarcinoma. at Last 7 years ago , she had done surgery to removed the tumor, that time the report show it was borderline maglinant.

she had surgery at end of september 2014 to removed the tumor.
she is 61 years old. This week, I had seek for oncologist in damansara specialist. the doctor advise us to go for chemo asap, the treatment have 6 cycle using paclitaxel +carboplatin. I search on website and found this drug is toxic and many side effect.

how should i do for my mom to make her better? i was worried she cannot go through the chemo process sad.gif.

please advise me asap. cos doctor says better start the chemo asap. please help
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Bro, that's how cancer drugs work, they poison the cancer cells before they metastize to other organs. To Compensate this, vitamins, food adjustments were done.. My mom also undergone hysterectomy ( 2010 ) and found that the cells were malignant so after the operation ( Endometrial Cancer st2 ) , we proceeded to have undergo chemo for 6 sessions. Name it, carboplatin, paclitaxel, taxol, nasea... ok, to make story short, we only managed to undergo 1 session because it was too costly in Philippines. Then we tried alternative method, I had her drink Vita Plus C ( google it ).. after 8 months, we went back to doctor, had undergone ct scan and cancer tests and found that she was cancer free.
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QUOTE(Love & Money @ Nov 27 2014, 10:31 PM)
Just now you were curious of the danger of RO water. Then you went through the WHO report declaring RO to be harmful. And now you say doesn't matter matter what it is called and it is perfectly safe and even much healthier (totally contradicting WHO report).

I wouldn't be surprised if you're an agent to Coway or Aquasana.
Nevertheless this thread is about ovarian cancer and not for you to do promotion.
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It has negligible effects in small amounts. I don't know how small this amount is without further checking, could it be three times a day, about 1 litre? But with significant certainty once a week of 500ml would be practically zero risk. That is the risk level indication deduced from the WHO report, which is low. Once you combine with foods to make a smoothie, it becomes one of the best, clean drinks you can get.

If you placed it in a city situation, and compared with some cheap filter that doesn't filter away chemicals, fluoride, and other potential chemicals, it would be much healthier.

And if for commercial use, I found Coway to be effective, and for home use, Aquasana. Based on their relevant nsf certifications, and cost vs benefits, and affordability. Unless you have the time to ensure you find individual parts one by one that meet the same standards and DIY, which I don't think many have the time to.

I could be an agent. Does it matter at all? As long as I'm providing facts., not beliefs. ;-)

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Once again, this is not a place for you to do promotion or else I will personally report you.
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You can. Nothing will happen to those posts, I assure you. Because they were constructive and informative, and factual.
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hi tham, the reason why I not order from aboard, is that the time I need to wait for the product to arrive is longer. and , if I buy locally can save time.

how you think about eexcel product, like nutriact and act.?
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As I have already written in other threads, direct sales companies are mostly
run by conmen who read a little about the disease-fighting herbs or supplements
in health magazines, quickly run off to obtain cheap stocks of them from third-party
sources, then cleverly market them with their MLM system to the unsuspecting
consumer.

By the time it reaches you, the price would have gone up tenfold.

In the meantime, everyone from the downlines to the Chairman is laughing away
after pocketing your money.


Prickly pear cactus, or Nopal, which another poster was asking about as one of
this Excel company's anticancer products being sold at a ridiculous RM 500 a bottle,
can be found at Iherb as capsules.




When ordering from Iherb, choose the DHL option with tracking, about $8,
Won't take more than 4 days.

The normal non-tracking option costing $4 - 6 will take one or two weeks.

http://loveraholic.blogspot.com/2013/04/it...on-again-d.html



GNC has Nopal juice. Why don't you check with them the cost of bringing
in a bottle here ?

http://www.gnc.com/Dynamic-Health-Organic-...ductId=12187811


Swanson's.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-org...z-474-ml-liquid



How to make your own cactus juice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VmzQgZN_g





I've just noted this Dynamic Health brand is here too :

http://www.iherb.com/Dynamic-Health-Labora...oz-946-ml/55168







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We'll see what happens then. ;-)

QUOTE(Love & Money @ Nov 27 2014, 11:28 PM)
Vita C Plus is synthetic.
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Noted your earlier post on synthetic vs non synthetic. How do you differentiate between common supplement brands? What are your list of recommended non synthetic supplement brands?

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As I have already written in other threads, direct sales companies are mostly
run by conmen who read a little about the disease-fighting herbs or supplements
in health magazines, quickly run off to obtain cheap stocks of them from third-party
sources, then cleverly market them with their MLM system to the unsuspecting
consumer.

By the time it reaches you, the price would have gone up tenfold.

In the meantime, everyone from the downlines to the Chairman is laughing away
after pocketing your money.
Prickly pear cactus, or Nopal, which another poster was asking about as one of
this Excel company's anticancer products being sold at a ridiculous RM 500 a bottle,
can be found at Iherb as capsules.
When ordering from Iherb, choose the DHL option with tracking, about $8,
Won't take more than 4 days.

The normal non-tracking option costing $4 - 6 will take one or two weeks.

http://loveraholic.blogspot.com/2013/04/it...on-again-d.html
GNC has Nopal juice. Why don't you check with them the cost of bringing
in a bottle here ?

http://www.gnc.com/Dynamic-Health-Organic-...ductId=12187811
Swanson's.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-org...z-474-ml-liquid
How to make your own cactus juice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VmzQgZN_g
I've just noted this Dynamic Health brand is here too :

http://www.iherb.com/Dynamic-Health-Labora...oz-946-ml/55168
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than, I just order something from iherb. it really cheap compare buying from mom or locally. but , dunno whether the product is reliable and proven. how we know the product original?
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Which products did you order ?

Brands like Source Naturals, Now, Doctor's Best are quite good quality.

If you want really cutting-edge, high purity supplements, then go for that of
the Life Extension Foundation, but they are not cheap.

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/it...umin?q=curcumin


Iherb also has their products.

http://www.iherb.com/search?sug=life%20ext...tesn&rank=2#p=1



Their cancer protocol.

http://www.lef.org//Protocols/Cancer/Cance...Therapy/Page-04



Here is their writeup on metformin. You can buy generic metformin at one dollar a strip
at any pharmacy.

Can a Diabetes Drug Prevent Cancer Death ?

http://www.lef.org/Magazine/2012/2/Can-Dia...r-Death/Page-01







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Which products did you order ?

Brands like Source Naturals, Now, Doctor's Best are quite good quality.

If you want really cutting-edge, high purity supplements, then go for that of
the Life Extension Foundation, but they are not cheap.

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/it...umin?q=curcumin
Iherb also has their products.

http://www.iherb.com/search?sug=life%20ext...tesn&rank=2#p=1
Their cancer protocol.

http://www.lef.org//Protocols/Cancer/Cance...Therapy/Page-04
Here is their writeup on metformin. You can buy generic metformin at one dollar a strip
at any pharmacy.

Can a Diabetes Drug Prevent Cancer Death ?

http://www.lef.org/Magazine/2012/2/Can-Dia...r-Death/Page-01
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hi than, I was buying the below:-

Paradise Herbs, Beta Glucans, Yeast Free, 60 Veggie Caps
(PAR-77738)

Jarrow Formulas, trans-Pterostilbene, 60 Capsules
(JRW-20040)

Dynamic Health Laboratories, Organic Certified Nopal Gold, 32 fl oz (946 ml)
(DNH-10182)

surprisingly, it really cheap.
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How much did you pay for the shipping ?


Here's the cancer studies on the prickly pear cactus.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/?term=opuntia+cancer


Most of the studies were done on two Opuntia species - ficus-indica, the Mexican
prickly pear, and humifusa, the American cousin.

The Nopal juice which you ordered is ficus-indica.

A third one, versicolor, found in the Arizona desert, also has marked cancer
activity, mainly due to a fungus living n it.


The anticancer activity of the fungal metabolite terrecyclic acid A is associated
with modulation of multiple cellular stress response pathways.

http://mct.aacrjournals.org/content/4/10/1569.long








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Wow, I don't know how I stumbled upon this thread but I'm glad I did.

Haven't read through everything but I'm getting the idea. Allow me, I am a cancer patient and was first diagnosed with testicular cancer in December 2011, had orchiectomy on the right side and partial on the left side. After the surgery though, I didn't opt for chemo but I opt for regular follow up instead.

Unfortunately, it recurred this year on February, and it took me 5 month after the diagnosis before I went to the hospital to do something about it and the diagnosis on August 2014 was the cancer have metastasize to my lung and lymph node.

I was then admitted for 4 cycle BEP regiment and was just done with it. So far I am showing good improvement and my left testicle size are shrinking to normal.

On my next appointment I will be having CT scan before undergoing surgery.

During the months that I delayed going to the hospital, I have tried Dragon's Blood and Cansema Tonic 3 (Amazon Tonic III) which I bought online from South America to which none of them seems to work.

As of now, I am practicing grape seed extract, daun belalai gajah and soursop leaves juice.

Forgive me but I've read so many testimonials, claims and whatnot like "lemons are x10,000 stronger in curing cancer than chemo". Well, I tried them all for months and couldn't achieve what BEP regiment could in a mere 2 days; my tumor shrinks significantly.

I almost lose hope in anything other than chemo treatment, because none of them seems to work. The only thing that I am eyeing on now is the Marijuana oil extract, but knowing it is illegal to possess it in Malaysia, I might as well forget about it (unless, Amsterdam)

You can try looking up for it but I'm guessing you already know the deal with Marijuana curing cancer.

So, yeah, in 3 months I could be walking the earth with no balls at all, literally. But I am even more grateful to even live for another day!
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QUOTE(benblitz @ Nov 29 2014, 11:46 PM)
Wow, I don't know how I stumbled upon this thread but I'm glad I did.

Haven't read through everything but I'm getting the idea. Allow me, I am a cancer patient and was first diagnosed with testicular cancer in December 2011, had orchiectomy on the right side and partial on the left side. After the surgery though, I didn't opt for chemo but I opt for regular follow up instead.

Unfortunately, it recurred this year on February, and it took me 5 month after the diagnosis before I went to the hospital to do something about it and the diagnosis on August 2014 was the cancer have metastasize to my lung and lymph node.

I was then admitted for 4 cycle BEP regiment and was just done with it. So far I am showing good improvement and my left testicle size are shrinking to normal.

On my next appointment I will be having CT scan before undergoing surgery.

During the months that I delayed going to the hospital, I have tried Dragon's Blood and Cansema Tonic 3 (Amazon Tonic III) which I bought online from South America to which none of them seems to work.

As of now, I am practicing grape seed extract, daun belalai gajah and soursop leaves juice.

Forgive me but I've read so many testimonials, claims and whatnot like "lemons are x10,000 stronger in curing cancer than chemo". Well, I tried them all for months and couldn't achieve what BEP regiment could in a mere 2 days; my tumor shrinks significantly.

I almost lose hope in anything other than chemo treatment, because none of them seems to work. The only thing that I am eyeing on now is the Marijuana oil extract, but knowing it is illegal to possess it in Malaysia, I might as well forget about it (unless, Amsterdam)

You can try looking up for it but I'm guessing you already know the deal with Marijuana curing cancer.

So, yeah, in 3 months I could be walking the earth with no balls at all, literally. But I am even more grateful to even live for another day!
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Take extra care as relapsed cancer is so much more aggressive.
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A randomised feasibility study of EPA and Cox-2 inhibitor (Celebrex)
versus EPA, Cox-2 inhibitor (Celebrex), resistance training followed by
ingestion of essential amino acids high in leucine in NSCLC cachectic
patients - the ACCeRT study.


http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2407/11/493




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This has been posted in the bodybuilding section, so I might as
well post it here too, since it is related to cancer.



Branched-chain amino acid catabolism and cancer cachexia.

Cancer cachexia (muscle wasting) :

'' This is a frequent and devastating complication of cancer occurring in
more than two thirds of patients who die with advanced cancer, and in
up to 22% of cancer deaths it is the only abnormality found at autopsy. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21594436



Leucine kinetics in patients with benign disease, non-weight-losing cancer,
and cancer cachexia: studies at the whole-body and tissue level and the
response to nutritional support.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/198463




Dose-dependent effects of leucine supplementation on
preservation of muscle mass in cancer cachectic mice.

'' Irrespective of changes in muscle protein breakdown markers, leucine
supplementation reduced muscle wasting in tumor-bearing cachectic mice
and attenuated changes in plasma amino acids. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2150358





A randomised feasibility study of EPA and Cox-2 inhibitor (Celebrex)
versus EPA, Cox-2 inhibitor (Celebrex), resistance training followed by
ingestion of essential amino acids high in leucine in NSCLC cachectic
patients - the ACCeRT study.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2407/11/493





Physical exercise and a leucine-rich diet modulate the muscle protein
metabolism in Walker tumor-bearing rats.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21058197/




Dietary supplementation with a specific combination of high protein, leucine,
and fish oil improves muscle function and daily activity in tumour-bearing
cachectic mice.

http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v100/n5/full/6604905a.html




Effect of branched-chain amino acids on muscle atrophy in cancer cachexia.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17623010/




Branched chain amino acids as the protein component of
parenteral nutrition in cancer cachexia.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2495147




Beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate supplementation in health
and disease: a systematic review of randomized trials.

'' The usual dose of 3 g/day may be routinely recommended to
maintain or improve muscle mass and function in health and disease. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24057808





β-hydroxy-β-methylbutyrate (HMB) attenuates muscle and
body weight loss in experimental cancer cachexia.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21184031




Supplementation with a combination of beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB),
arginine, and glutamine is safe and could improve hematological parameters.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15080599/




Juven - Abbott's product of HMB, glutamine and arginine.

http://abbottnutrition.com/categories/adult/understanding




Nutritional treatment for acquired immunodeficiency virus-associated
wasting using beta-hydroxy beta-methylbutyrate, glutamine, and arginine:
a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10850936/




Reversal of cancer-related wasting using oral supplementation with a
combination of beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate, arginine, and glutamine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11975938




Glutamine supplementation in cancer patients.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11527675




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Take extra care as relapsed cancer is so much more aggressive.
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The concept of “cure”

In medicine, a disease is considered cured when it’s been successfully treated and does not return. The concept of “cure” is difficult to apply to cancer because undetected cancer cells can sometimes remain in the body after treatment, causing the cancer to return later (referred to as a recurrence or relapse). Many cancers are considered “cured” when there is no cancer detected five years after diagnosis. However, recurrence after five years is still possible.

source - http://www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-ca...luate-treatment

that's why in cancer medical report, they use the word 'cleared' instead of 'cured'. so gonna maintain good healthy lifestyle and health food / supplement even though cancer already 'cleared' , for at least 5 years .


Here some info which is related to your mom's case:

Recurrence of ovarian cancer is a lethal and chronic disease. Nevertheless, patients with recurrent platinum-sensitive ovarian cancer may have increased response rates and longer PFS when treated with combination platinum-based chemotherapy compared to carboplatin alone. Most recurrent patients with platinum resistant disease have little chance for a long PFS, but less toxic treatment may contribute to extending their survival interval. Complete secondary cytoreduction combined with further adjuvant therapy at the time of relapse may improve clinical outcome in selected patients. There are several treatment choices from first relapse to terminal state; however these choices cannot be made uniformly. They should be decided on an individual basis depending directly on the patients’ condition.

Source - http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jo/2010/497429/

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-inf...ival-statistics

Another one but not related to your mom's case:

Survival rate of recurrent cervical cancer was low, especially in those who received only supportive treatment.

Source - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16696408

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As of now, I am practicing grape seed extract, daun belalai gajah and soursop leaves juice.

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You'd do better replacing Sabah snake grass with the other local
anticancer herb, ''Black Face General'' , 黑面將軍, Strobilanthes crispus.

The Sabah grass was recently found by USM researchers to be disappointing
against cancer.

'' In CNC treated K562 cells and Raji cells, the IC50 values were 47.70  g/mL and
47.31  g/mL, which fall above the recommended IC50 value by National Cancer
Institute (NCI) for crude extract, which is <20  g/mL. ''

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2013/462751/




Black Face General was far more potent.


Anticancer activity of a sub-fraction of dichloromethane extract of
Strobilanthes crispus on human breast and prostate cancer cells in vitro.


http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6882/10/42



Antioxidant, Total Phenolic Content and Cytotoxicity Evaluation
of Selected Malaysian Plants.


http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/16/4/3433



In vitro cytotoxicity of Strobilanthes crispus ethanol extract on
hormone dependent human breast adenocarcinoma MCF-7 cell.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6882/12/35



This online store has a tea formulated with both the above plants.

http://www.enwshop.com/our-products/herbal...product_id=1277






Note also that Guadaloupe, which consumes a good amount of graviola (soursop)
and the related pawpaw, has a high incidence of Parkinson's, which could be due
to the neurotoxicity of their annonacin content.



Is atypical parkinsonism in the Caribbean
caused by the consumption of Annonacae ?


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17017523



Atypical parkinsonism in Guadeloupe:
a common risk factor for two closely related phenotypes ?
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'' In conclusion, atypical Guadeloupean parkinsonism comprises two forms of
parkinsonism and dementia that differ clinically by the presence of oculomotor
signs, but have similar cognitive profiles and neuroimaging features, suggesting
that they may constitute a single disease entity, and both were similarly exposed
to annonaceous neurotoxins, notably annonacin. ''

http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/130/3/816.long



Possible relation of atypical parkinsonism in the French West Indies
with consumption of tropical plants: a case-control study.
Caribbean Parkinsonism Study Group.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10440304




Toxicity of Annonaceae for dopaminergic neurons:
potential role in atypical parkinsonism in Guadeloupe.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11835443/?




The mitochondrial complex I inhibitor annonacin is toxic to mesencephalic
dopaminergic neurons by impairment of energy metabolism.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14521988




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can my mom consume Blackstrap Molasses? because she had thalassemia, now she is low of blood count.
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How is it that you did not mention right from the start that your mum has thalassemia ?

Which form does she have ?

Isn't she on treatment ? Has she tested her blood iron ?

The doctors in this forum should be able to advise you on this.


Thalassemia can cause iron overload, so it might not be a good idea taking molasses.


You could take part in this forum :

http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.c...hp?topic=3329.0



Curcumin helps both cancer and thalassemia.


Role of curcuminoids in ameliorating oxidative modification in
β-thalassemia/Hb E plasma proteome.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22818714




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How is it that you did not mention right from the start that your mum has thalassemia ?

Which form does she have ?

Isn't she on treatment ?  Has she tested her blood iron ?

The doctors in this forum should be able to advise you on this.
Thalassemia can cause iron overload, so it might not be a good idea taking molasses.
You could take part in this forum :

http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.c...hp?topic=3329.0
Curcumin helps both cancer and thalassemia.
Role of curcuminoids in ameliorating oxidative modification in
β-thalassemia/Hb E plasma proteome.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22818714
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I forgot to mentioned as I thought it was related to my mom ovarian cancer. there are any relationship?

the doctor had gave my mom the iron pill after they found out her low blood count. but, I got told doctor that my mom is thalassemia patient.

today, I just get her blood test report. it shown low blood count especially white blood cell.
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I forgot to mentioned as I thought it was related to my mom ovarian cancer. there are any relationship?

the doctor had gave my mom the iron pill after they found out her low blood count. but, I got told doctor that my mom is thalassemia patient.

today, I just get her blood test report. it shown low blood count especially white blood cell.
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Yes, you should mention it because thalassemia people can't take much iron. But thalassemia also got a few types like alpha and beta. Actually myself also got thalassemia. So i do some research about it and also consult tham for some advice too.

For thalassemia beta, need to do blood transfusion and the problem with blood transfusion is it cause overload of iron which eventually cause toxin and harm many major organs.
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Yes, you should mention it because thalassemia people can't take much iron. But thalassemia also got a few types like alpha and beta. Actually myself also got thalassemia. So i do some research about it and also consult tham for some advice too.

For thalassemia beta, need to do blood transfusion and the problem with blood transfusion is it cause overload of iron which eventually cause toxin and harm many major organs.
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if take excessive iron then become how? cos the doctor gave iron pill to my mom.i already stop her to take pill.
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if take excessive iron then become how? cos the doctor gave iron pill to my mom.i already stop her to take pill.
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You didn't tell the doctor your mom got thalassemia?

Excess iron in vital organs, even in mild cases of iron overload, increases the risk for liver disease (cirrhosis, cancer), heart attack or heart failure, diabetes mellitus, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, metabolic syndrome, hypothyroidism, hypogonadism, numerous symptoms and in some cases premature death.

http://www.thalassemia.ca/disease-treatmen...transmission-2/
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You didn't tell the doctor your mom got thalassemia?

Excess iron in vital organs, even in mild cases of iron overload, increases the risk for liver disease (cirrhosis, cancer), heart attack or heart failure, diabetes mellitus, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, metabolic syndrome, hypothyroidism, hypogonadism, numerous symptoms and in some cases premature death.

http://www.thalassemia.ca/disease-treatmen...transmission-2/
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yes, i had inform doctor. but seem like no response. then he gave my mom iron pill, which is 100mg.
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yes, i had inform doctor. but seem like no response. then he gave my mom iron pill, which is 100mg.
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i suggest to change doctor

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Didn't her oncologist do the iron tests for her ?

You could take your mum to a lab to do these tests,
or you could take her to another doctor to do it.

You could try my schoolmate, Yap Boon Hung, consultant
physician in Tung Shin.

Another schoomate who is a GP, Wong Ang Lai, runs
Klinik Maluri in Jalan Mahkota, Taman Maluri, Cheras.


Values for females:


Serum iron - 40 to 170 mcg/dL

Ferritin - 12 to 150 mcg/L

Transferrin - 200 to 300 mg/dL

TIBC (total iron binding capacity) - 250 to 450 mcg/dL

Transferrin saturation ( Serum iron/TIBC ) - 20 to 50 percent



http://www.globalrph.com/labs.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serum_iron#Normal_values


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...ncentration.png




'' There are two storage forms of iron: ferritin and hemosiderin. Ferritin
is the main storage form of iron. It is a protein released by the
reticuloendothelial system, and it is a reflection of the tissue stores
of iron (in other words, if you’ve got a ton of iron in your tissues,
your ferritin levels will go up. ''

http://www.pathologystudent.com/?p=2124




Lab tests for thalassemia.


http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/iron-fe?page=3

http://labtestsonline.org/understanding/co...assemia/start/2



Thalassemia :

'' The iron levels are often normal, but ferritin levels may
be high if the person has had a lot of blood transfusions.''


http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/iron-fe?page=3


http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/thalass...-topic-overview




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You could also take her to see a hematologist.


http://www.medeguide.com/doctorsearch/doct.../hematology/all


http://hospitalsungailong.com/web/personne...-soon-keng.html




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so, tham, my mom thalassemie will affect her current ovarian cancer condition?
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tham, should thalassemia people exercise?
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hi guys, have you heard about Transfer Factor? do this have benefit for my mom cancer?
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The latest cancer center is National Cancer Center. It's located next to Putrajaya GH.
For onco patient, one factor that always overlook is diet. I am not talking supplement; its norm food intake.

Get a good dietician is very crucial in road of recovery; patient cant be strong just by drinking some grass water or taking pills or organic food..

At balance norm food intake is very important and always been overlook.

HTH.
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The latest cancer center is National Cancer Center. It's located next to Putrajaya GH.
For onco patient, one factor that always overlook is diet. I am not talking supplement; its norm food intake.

Get a good dietician is very crucial in road of recovery; patient cant be strong just by drinking some grass water or taking pills or organic food..

At balance norm food intake is very important and always been overlook.

HTH.
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tham, should thalassemia people exercise?
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Since anemic patients have a reduced exercise capacity and
reduced heart performace, you should try moderate and not
heavy, strenuous exercise, such as light jogging and walking.

The main goal is to keep iron overload to a minimum.


Have you tried EDTA chelation therapy to reduce your iron ?

There are quite a few doctors here practising EDTA chelation,
but it doesn't come cheap - at least $200 - 300 per session.




Exercise limitation, exercise testing and exercise
recommendations in sickle cell anemia.

'' Therefore, patients are advised to start exercise slowly and progressively,
to maintain adequate hydration during and after exercise, to avoid cold
exposure or sudden change in temperature, and to avoid sports associated
with mechanical trauma. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22214686/




Running exercise alleviates trabecular bone loss and osteopenia
in hemizygous β-globin knockout thalassemic mice.

'' A decrease in BMD was more severe in female than in male BKO mice. ''

'' Several histomorphometric parameters suggested an enhancement of bone
formation (e.g., increased mineral apposition rate) and suppression of bone resorption
(e.g., decreased osteoclast surface), which led to increases in trabecular
bone volume and trabecular thickness in running BKO mice. ''


'' .... running exercise appeared to be an effective intervention in alleviating
bone microstructural defect in β-thalassemia. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24780610/



Exercise performance in thalassemia major:
correlation with cardiac iron burden.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23339082




Iron overload in β-thalassemia intermedia: an emerging concern.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23426199/



Better survival and less cardiac morbidity in female patients
with thalassemia major: a review of the literature.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20712783/




Oral chelators in transfusion-dependent thalassemia major
patients may prevent or reverse iron overload complications.

'' The hypothesis of this study was that combining two oral chelators,
deferiprone and deferasirox, might lead to similar results. ''

'' Regarding the safety assessment, the incidence of adverse events was minor
compared to the associated toxicity of monotherapy of each drug. No new
onset of iron overload-related complications was demonstrated. A reversal
of cardiac dysfunction was observed in 2/4 patients, while the mean LVEF
increased significantly. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21531154





Increased survival and reversion of iron-induced cardiac disease
in patients with thalassemia major receiving intensive combined
chelation therapy as compared to desferoxamine alone.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20678715/




Improving survival with deferiprone treatment in patients with thalassemia major:
a prospective multicenter randomised clinical trial under the auspices of the
Italian Society for Thalassemia and Hemoglobinopathies.

'' ..... mortality, due mainly to cardiac damage, was reduced or completely
absent in patients treated with deferiprone (DFP) alone or a combined
deferiprone-deferoxamine (DFP-DFO) chelation treatment. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19233692/




Increased survival and reversion of iron-induced cardiac disease in patients
with thalassemia major receiving intensive combined chelation therapy as
compared to desferoxamine alone.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20678715




Cardiac and hepatic iron and ejection fraction in thalassemia major:
multicentre prospective comparison of combined deferiprone and d
eferoxamine therapy against deferiprone or deferoxamine monotherapy.

'' Among the patients with hepatic iron at baseline, the decrease in liver
iron concentration values was significantly higher with combination
therapy than with either monotherapy group. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23324167/





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it is now from direct sales, but from a doctors. he claim can cure cancer with Transfer Factor.

Tham, you well know on these?
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so, tham, my mom thalassemie will affect her current ovarian cancer condition?
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Obviously with low hemoglobin, poorer oxygen-carrying capacity of the red blood
cells and lower red blood count, the person's immune system will be weaker to fight
the cancer.

And as Ngaisteve mentioned earlier, too much iron in the system will cause or worsen
lots or problems - liver, heart, cancer diabetes, osteoporosis, faster aging, early death.


Oxygen and iron are double-edged swords - you can't live without them, but too much
will also harm you.



Did you notice what happens to your neighbour's iron gate over the years, when the
paint has peeled off ?


Iron + oxygen = Iron oxide = Rust.


Iron in the body also rusts. When iron oxidizes, heavy free radicals are formed.

That is why you should monitor the amount of iron in your mum's case.


Two decades ago, in their magazine, the Life Extension Foundation mentioned
they were the first in the US to advise against the inclusion of iron in multivitamin
formulations, because of evidence that iron causes MASSIVE free radical damage.

That is why some multivitamin/mineral products, especially those cutting-edged ones,
do not have iron. Some also do not have copper as well for the same reason.


When I choose a multivit for my brother and sisters, I try to go for those without iron,
or very low iron, not more than 6 mg daily.

For my father, since a certain amount of iron is beneficial for the elderly, I try to select
those with a small amount of iron, usually not more than 6 mg.



http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-Mix-Ca...-Capsules/55305

http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Citra...ggie-Caps/18134

http://www.iherb.com/Nutricology-Multi-Vi-...eggie-Caps/3459

http://www.iherb.com/advanced-orthomolecul...-capsules/33670

http://www.iherb.com/Advanced-Orthomolecul...ggie-Caps/33054


http://www.iherb.com/Twinlab-Daily-One-Cap...0-Capsules/7209


http://www.iherb.com/Life-Enhancement-BioE...-Capsules/11431








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it is now from direct sales, but from a doctors. he claim can cure cancer with Transfer Factor.

Tham, you well know on these?
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A doctor trying to sell you Transfer Factor ?!

And he says that it can cure cancer ?!?!

Didn't you notice that many doctors are pushing direct sales products these days ?

The money is even better than their clinic takings.

Well, if you trust him, you can go ahead and buy it.

What is the name of the clinic ?










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QUOTE(Tham @ Dec 5 2014, 09:01 PM)

That is why some multivitamin/mineral products, especially those cutting-edged ones,
do not have iron. Some also do not have copper as well for the same reason.
When I choose a multivit for my brother and sisters, I try to go for those without iron,
or very low iron, not more than 6 mg daily.
Ya, I notice that too
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QUOTE(Love & Money @ Dec 8 2014, 03:16 PM)
Bryan Yip,
I found this product called Black Yeast Beta Glucan Acfa G Max Ex (Made in Japan) purported with evidence that it can inhibit tumor growth and prevent tumor metastasis. You might want to take a look.
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I tot beta glucan is to lower down bad cholestrol (LDL)? hmm.gif
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hi guy, my relative suggested my mother to eat this product. had you heard this product before?

www.sayen.my/sayen-eng/eng-products-ylifextra-introduction.html
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This is something for you to consider if supplements or chemotherapy
fails to regress the cancer later on.

You can be certain that none of the local oncologists would tell you this.

In fact, I'd start her on low dose Celebrex (celecoxib) now,
say one cap every other day, if she was my mum.


Two tabs/caps each of the following :

Metformin, 500 mg

Celebrex, 200 mg

Vermox 100 mg, or Zentel, 200 mg




Phase I clinical trial to determine maximum tolerated dose of
oral albendazole in patients with advanced cancer.


'' The maximum tolerated dose was 2,400 mg per day (1,200 BD). ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19904538




Metformin Supplementation and Cancer Treatment.

http://www.integrativeoncology-essentials....ference-oncanp/




Reprogramming ovarian and breast cancer cells into non-cancerous
cells by low-dose metformin or SN-38 through FOXO3 activation.


http://www.nature.com/srep/2014/140724/sre.../srep05810.html




Metformin intake is associated with better survival
in ovarian cancer: a case-control study.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3553259/



Mebendazole elicits a potent antitumor effect on
human cancer cell lines both in vitro and in vivo.


http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/8/9/2963.long



Antiparasitic mebendazole shows survival benefit
in 2 preclinical models of glioblastoma multiforme.


Glioblastoma is the most aggressive of brain cancers.

http://neuro-oncology.oxfordjournals.org/c...t/13/9/974.long



Potent inhibition of tubulin polymerisation and proliferation of
paclitaxel-resistant 1A9PTX22 human ovarian cancer cells by albendazole.


'' Data from this study suggest that ABZ is effective in suppressing
growth of PTX-resistant ovarian tumour cells. ''

http://ar.iiarjournals.org/content/29/10/3791.long





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Cyclin D1 expression and the inhibitory effect of celecoxib
on ovarian tumor growth in vivo.


'' A high-dose of Celecoxib (100 mg/kg) significantly inhibited tumor growth,
and the expression of cyclin D1 was reduced by 61%. ''

100 mg/kg in mice - conversion to a 50 kg human being

= 100 x 50/12 = 416 mg = 200 mg bd.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2996781/




Apoptotic effect of celecoxib dependent upon p53 status
in human ovarian cancer cells.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17404014/




The growth inhibitory effect of non-steroid
anti-inflammatory drugs on ovarian cancer.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17593823




Phase II study of the combination carboplatin plus celecoxib
in heavily pre-treated recurrent ovarian cancer patients.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21627839




Synergistic Effect of COX-2 Inhibitor on Paclitaxel-Induced
Apoptosis in the Human Ovarian Cancer Cell Line OVCAR-3.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24520227/




Effects of cyclooxygenase inhibitors on survival
time in ovarian cancer xenograft-bearing mice.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23205124/




A comparison of the effectiveness of selected non-steroidal anti-inflammatory
drugs and their derivatives against cancer cells in vitro.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17447067/




Antitumor properties of taxol in combination with cyclooxygenase-1 and
cyclooxygenase-2 selective inhibitors on ovarian tumor growth in vivo.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23193911/




COX-2 independent induction of cell cycle arrest and apoptosis
in colon cancer cells by the selective COX-2 inhibitor celecoxib.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11606477




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Prevent metastasis in malignant tumour, sounds interesting ...
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This is why metformin is one of the three drugs I had advised you
to start your mum on.


Metformin targets ovarian cancer stem cells in vitro and in vivo.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3580263/




Metformin against cancer stem cells through the modulation of
energy metabolism: special considerations on ovarian cancer.


http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/132702/




Many life extensionists also take metformin daily as an antiaging drug.
I have a strip in my office drawer.


Metformin: An Effective and Underappreciated Life Extension Drug.

http://warddeanmd.com/metformin-an-effecti...extension-drug/



Is Metformin the Metabolic Holy Grail ?

http://www.life-enhancement.com/magazine/a...olic-holy-grail




Metformin in obesity, cancer and aging: addressing controversies.

http://www.impactaging.com/papers/v4/n5/full/100455.html




Metformin and the ATM DNA damage response (DDR): accelerating the
onset of stress-induced senescence to boost protection against cancer.



'' As life-long or late-life removal of senescent cells has been shown to prevent
or delay the onset or progression of age-related disorders, the tissue sweeper
function of metformin may inhibit the malignant/metastatic progression of
pre-malignant/senescent tumor cells and increase the human lifespan. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22170748




Metformin is dirt cheap. A strip of Diabetmin 500 mg tabs, the generic one
by Hovid, is about one dollar.

The sustained-release types, 500 mg and 750 mg, cost a bit more.


The original brand, Glucophage, is about 40 cents per 500 mg tab.







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my mom facing weight loss problem now? we are so worry. last month her CA125 test result is 10 U/ml. we will collect this month Ca125 report later. My mom no take chicken meat anymore, and she only consume fish and little bit pork. is this cause her loss weight? pls advise. should i proceed my mom to do chemo?
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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Nov 19 2014, 06:03 AM)
Hi All, recommend from Pharmacy. They said can anti-cancer. Extract from Palm Oil fruit.
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The anticancer activity of tocotrienols are mainly due to their
delta and gamma fractions.


Gamma- and delta-tocotrienols exert a more potent anticancer effect
than alpha-tocopheryl succinate on breast cancer cell lines irrespective
of HER-2/neu expression.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20188744/


However, bioavailability of tocotrienols orally is not very good.


They have used nanoemulsions here to enhance their bioavailablity
and anticancer action.


Entrapment into nanoemulsions potentiates the anticancer activity of
tocotrienols against the highly malignant (+SA) mouse mammary epithelial cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24734680




Moreover, the Hovid product above includes too much alpha tocopherol,
(plain vitamin E), which further reduces the absorption of tocotrienols.



This product has 90 percent delta and gamma tocotrienols and no tocopherols.

http://www.iherb.com/A-C-Grace-Company-Uni...-Softgels/12977



If you still wish to get the above local Hovid product, then get this. Hovid
licenses their Tocomin Suprabio to them, which costs some RM 130 before
discount here for just 60 50 mg gels. You can see the price difference.

http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins-Tocom...-Softgels/27485




This local firm was also developing a product with reduced alpha
tocopherol content and enhanced delta tocotrienol content.

http://www.palmnutraceuticals.com/products.htm



When I emailed the boss, Mr Gee Pin Tou, two years ago, his
product was still in development.

You could try contacting him and ask if it is on the market.

http://www.palmnutraceuticals.com/Contactus.htm




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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Jan 2 2015, 01:33 AM)
my mom facing weight loss problem now? we are so worry. last month her CA125 test result is 10 U/ml. we will collect this month Ca125 report later. My mom no take chicken meat anymore, and she only consume fish and little bit pork. is this cause her loss weight? pls advise. should i proceed my mom to do chemo?
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Your mum's weight loss is called cachexia, which comes in as the cancer advances.

What is her CA125 reading now ?

Have you taken her to see the TCM oncologist in Tung Shin ?


Otherwise, you may have to start her on chemotherapy. Have you consulted
other oncologists in the other hospitals which I have listed earlier to ask if
they have more advanced drugs than Taxol, Abraxane, cisplatin or carboplatin ?







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QUOTE(Tham @ Jan 6 2015, 09:39 PM)
Your mum's weight loss is called cachexia, which comes in as the cancer advances.

What is her CA125 reading now ?

Have you taken her to see the TCM oncologist in Tung Shin ?
Otherwise, you may have to start her on chemotherapy. Have you consulted
other oncologists in the other hospitals which I have listed earlier to ask if
they have more advanced drugs than Taxol, Abraxane, cisplatin or carboplatin ?
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what you mean by cancer advances?she now ca125 is 12.8. you mean my mom is very serious condition now? she never take chicken meat and pork now, only fish. she now only eat vegetables.

yup, we went to TCM oncologist tung shin. Dr. tung wei the lady doctor ask my mom proceed to chemo.
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It means that it likely that the cancer is progressing.

It is already at Stage 2c, so it is about to go to Stage 3.

Her CA125 is quite normal. However, CA125, like many cancer markers, is just a
guide, and does not go up in some ovarian cancer patients, about 20 per cent.

It is actually just a test to measure a protein in the blood, which may also go up
in other cancers, and some other noncancer conditions, such as TB.

http://www.medicinenet.com/ca_125/article.htm


Which doctor diagnosed her with ovarian cancer ?



Your mother should take some fish. She needs some animal protein as
proper nutrition. It is also alright to take a little chicken.

If she goes full vegetarian, she may end up with not enough vitamin D3,
which is quite important in fighting cancers. Her immune system will go down.

In studies with Indian vegetarian immigrants to the UK, they found a high
number of them had TB.


Perhaps you should consult another Chinese physician then, such as
David Mun in Pudu, which I have mentioned earlier.

This lady TCM physician in Pandan Jaya - her clinic tended to have quite
a number of patients everytime I walked by at night.

One Malay guy said his fingers, which I think was rheumatoid arthritis, was
''much improved'' after just a few visits. He paid $38 for his bottle of medicine
at the counter.


KLINIK PAKAR TCM YAP
26G, JALAN PANDAN 3/8, PANDAN JAYA,
55100 KUALA LUMPUR
TEL: 03-9283 7445


http://cforum.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=vi...=1#pid115877904



http://heremaps.cn/malaysia/ampang/hospita...5769f5d41ae2c43













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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Jan 7 2015, 12:07 AM)
what you mean by cancer advances?she now ca125 is 12.8. you mean my mom is very serious condition now? she never take chicken meat and pork now, only fish. she now only eat vegetables.

yup, we went to TCM oncologist tung shin. Dr. tung wei the lady doctor ask my mom proceed to chemo.
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In my humble opinion, she should take a well-balanced and nutrition food with enough macro and micro nutrient and not just vegetables. Cancer patient is very weak already.
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QUOTE(Tham @ Jan 7 2015, 09:45 AM)
It means that it likely that the cancer is progressing.

It is already at Stage 2c, so it is about to go to Stage 3.

Her CA125 is quite normal. However, CA125, like many cancer markers, is just a
guide, and does not go up in some ovarian cancer patients, about 20 per cent.

It is actually just a test to measure a protein in the blood, which may also go up
in other cancers, and some other noncancer conditions, such as TB.

http://www.medicinenet.com/ca_125/article.htm
Which doctor diagnosed her with ovarian cancer ?
Your mother should take some fish. She needs some animal protein as
proper nutrition. It is also alright to take a little chicken.

If she goes full vegetarian, she may end up with not enough vitamin D3,
which is quite important in fighting cancers. Her immune system will go down.

In studies with Indian vegetarian immigrants to the UK, they found a high
number of them had TB.
Perhaps you should consult another Chinese physician then, such as
David Mun in Pudu, which I have mentioned earlier.

This lady TCM physician in Pandan Jaya - her clinic tended to have quite
a number of patients everytime I walked by at night.

One Malay guy said his fingers, which I think was rheumatoid arthritis, was
''much improved'' after just a few visits. He paid $38 for his bottle of medicine
at the counter.
KLINIK PAKAR TCM YAP
26G, JALAN PANDAN 3/8, PANDAN JAYA,
55100 KUALA LUMPUR
TEL: 03-9283 7445
http://cforum.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=vi...=1#pid115877904
http://heremaps.cn/malaysia/ampang/hospita...5769f5d41ae2c43
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what you mean by TB?
my mom operation done at Assunta Hospital, by one onco-gynea doctor. he had advised my mom to go through the chemo with six circles after the operation. that time, my mom was weak and we already postponed.

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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Jan 7 2015, 12:17 PM)
what you mean by TB?
my mom operation done at Assunta Hospital, by one onco-gynea doctor. he had advised my mom to go through the chemo with six circles after the operation. that time, my mom was weak and we already postponed.
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If she really need to undergo chemo, do prepare her and encourage her because the side-effect during and after chemo is really really suffering. My friend now almost completed his last session. He shared to us last week his experience.

His right arm completely numb because of the chemo injection. Then blurred vision for 15 seconds. Then completely no eating appetite for 2 weeks and extremely week. This is because the cell die faster than regeneration.
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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Oct 30 2014, 12:25 PM)
recently, my mom have dignosed the recurrence ovarian cancer, it called low grade serous papillary ademocarcinoma. at Last 7 years ago , she had done surgery to removed the tumor, that time the report show it was borderline maglinant.

she had surgery at end of september 2014 to removed the tumor.
she is 61 years old. This week, I had seek for oncologist in damansara specialist. the doctor advise us to go for chemo asap, the treatment have 6 cycle using paclitaxel +carboplatin. I search on website and found this drug is toxic and many side effect.

how should i do for my mom to make her better? i was worried she cannot go through the chemo process sad.gif.

please advise me asap. cos doctor says better start the chemo asap. please help
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hi bryan hope tis can help u

http://www.thesilveredge.com/Silver%20Kill...ml#.VKymuiuUcsw

this is a NANO SILVER supplement and u can find it in PHARMACY, but i am looking for this supplement oso bcoz its quite
difficult to find
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Jan 7 2015, 11:22 AM)
If she really need to undergo chemo, do prepare her and encourage her because the side-effect during and after chemo is really really suffering. My friend now almost completed his last session. He shared to us last week his experience.

His right arm completely numb because of the chemo injection. Then blurred vision for 15 seconds. Then completely no eating appetite for 2 weeks and extremely week. This is because the cell die faster than regeneration.
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i had ask my mom, did she feeling not well or how's the body situation now. she claim thats her body is fine, and feeling better after the operation. she also had very appetite, and she eat a lot now. My concern is her weight loss.
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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Jan 7 2015, 12:35 PM)
i had ask my mom, did she feeling not well or how's the body situation now. she claim thats her body is fine, and feeling better after the operation. she also had very appetite, and she eat a lot now. My concern is her weight loss.
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I mean during and after chemo , the suffering is really bad
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I mean during and after chemo , the suffering is really bad
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yes, we have consider this also whether my mom can withstand the chemo.
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QUOTE(BryanYip @ Jan 7 2015, 03:17 AM)
what you mean by TB?
my mom operation done at Assunta Hospital, by one onco-gynea doctor. he had advised my mom to go through the chemo with six circles after the operation. that time, my mom was weak and we already postponed.
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TB means tuberculosis.



I have already advised you to start your mum on three possible drugs
which you can buy in any pharmacy :

Metformin, very common diabetic drug.

Celebrex (celecoxib), common antiinflammatory drug.

Vermox (mebendazole); or
Zentel (albendazole), very common deworming drugs.




Metformin is the cheapest, at 10 cents each, and probably the safest.
If your mum does not have any thyroid, liver or kidney problems, she
can go ahead and start on, say, one tablet every two days.

Metformin targets ovarian cancer stem cells. The chemo drugs which
the oncologist wants to give your mum, paclitaxel and carboplatin,
cannot do that. All they do is just damage the cancer cells' DNA.

If the stem cells are still there, new cancer cells will regenerate again.



Can a dirt-cheap diabetes drug fight cancer ?

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/05/health/d...-fights-cancer/




Metformin Beats Diabetes and Cancer.

http://gaynoroncology.com/metformin-beats-...tes-and-cancer/



Metformin and Cancer Stem Cells: Old Drug, New Targets.

http://cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjourna...nt/5/3/351.full




Induction of apoptosis by metformin in epithelial ovarian cancer:
Involvement of the Bcl-2 family proteins.


https://www.mcgill.ca/pollak-lab/files/poll...ly_proteins.pdf


Reprogramming ovarian and breast cancer cells into non-cancerous cells
by low-dose metformin or SN-38 through FOXO3 activation.


FOXO3 is a tumor suppressor gene.

http://www.nature.com/srep/2014/140724/sre.../srep05810.html




Safety of Metformin:


Considered very safe, but there are potential risks.

If you have renal failure, you should not take metformin due
to the risk of lactic acidosis.

Gastrointestinal upset in 30% of patients (much less common
when taken in the extended-release form of metformin).

Hypoglycemia: very rare.


Malabsorption of vitamin B12 occurs in up to 30% of patients
(check vitamin B12 levels once to twice per year).
- take methylcobalamin 500 mcg daily to prevent this.


May cause thyroid hormone abnormalities (check thyroid
hormone levels once to twice per year)


May reduce testosterone levels (check once to twice per year)


http://www.integrativeoncology-essentials....h.zlAHckd6.dpuf








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Metformin: An Emerging New Therapeutic Option
for Targeting Cancer Stem Cells and Metastasis.


'' All current and investigative drugs have been unable to prevent
or reverse metastasis.

One potential drug that can be considered for this aspect is metformin.

Recently, the drug has gained attention for its potential anticancer effects.
In addition to its antitumorigenic effects, recent reports have demonstrated
inhibition of EMT genes and specific targeting of stem cells by metformin,
thus supporting its potential role in fighting cancer metastases. ''



http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jo/2012/928127/




 

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