Comprehension skills -50

Goodnight and God bless!

I get it, but you don't. Either one of us have serious comprehension issues, or this text based debate between the both of us isn't working at all.  Drop it, this discussion is no longer beneficial to the body of Christ or is it beneficial to anyone in any way. If you wanna takau (not in a physical way, but I can do that too if you so desire it ) somemore, just drop me a PM and maybe we can arrange a meet up

the interest is never really there to begin with. i chose my course out of lack of options. it seems to be the best out of the rest. so i have been trying to force myself through. it's my sixth semester already. two more sems to go. it's like I always get so demotivated every time assignments get piled up or something goes wrong.

i know...

not for the entire course. but for finals and tests, yes.

Noted. Thanks for your advice mate Much appreciated.

Guaranteed path to prosperity and success =\= getting rich? Man you need to get yourself checked.

Here's what the dictionary has to say about what the word prosper means:
succeed in material terms; be financially successful.
"his business prospered"
Also, Joshua 1:8 was gods promise to Joshua, not necessarily to us! This was in context of gods covenant with Israel and Israelis position as gods chosen people.

Also, Joshua 1:8 was gods promise to Joshua, not necessarily to us! This was in context of gods covenant with Israel and Israelis position as gods chosen people.

It's what the word prosper means dude. Why would I do it on purpose? I have nothing to lose and everything to gain from knowing that prince doesn't preach the prosperity gospel. Now you're judging me for intentionally misunderstanding him when basic English would tell you he meant what he meant? What a hypocrite
FYI, it's not what I am saying, but it's what the dictionary is saying. We are talking basic semantics here.
Oh gosh... Just read from 1:1 and tell me the context of the conversation. Again, you're cowardly hiding behind personal attacks instead of trying to be reasonable.

Decky,
You shouldn't be surprised.

The thing is, Christians in Malaysia are pretty much ignorant. They would not even know what liberalism is. They would probably not even have the substance to counter atheism.
And I include those Christians in the traditional church. They pretty much do not know what is going on in the outside world. They do not know the evil that has been done outside.
They are living in their comfort level. Basically, they are "satisfied" with themselves and kind of refuses to know what is going on. Questioning them will lead to you being treated differently.
Not saying all. But most.

You cannot even hold a discussion with them at an advanced level. They would not know what you are talking about. Their favourite defence is that you are not talking from the bible or you are speaking out of context.

In fact, the very leader here "Unknown Warrior" discourages people from going into Real Life Issues. He knows that members will be pretty much slaughtered when they get there because generally people over here are pretty much naive and they will feel "discourage".

Even though, many people dislike me. I do not get discouraged because I am standing on the truth.

To me, I would not even listen to people like Joel Osteen or Kong hee. Heck I would not even listen to John Piper. I have very high standard when it comes to trust. Break that trust, everything you say from nowonwards will be heavily scrutinized.
To me, I tried posting here but I think you know what is the reaction.
Yes, I sounded "hostile" but I cannot help it when truth is twisted. I tend to get angry.
In fact, I get angry for less then that.

Aiyoooo. You just.... I give up la. You wanna tolerate the cross of Christ being spat on and trampled on and see people led away from Christ, you do what you want, I have tried gently trying to correct you but you just decided to harden your heart. Gg

Well, if I stand in the truth why not.
The light is not supposed to be covered, but is supposed to be exposed.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

If you are confident that you are speaking in truth, why are you so afraid of mud slinging. It's only when you are not confident, that you start getting afraid.

Why should my peace of mind get affected? Did Paul or Jesus think in the same manner as you? Nope. They preached the word even though they know that the outside world would reject them

The contention here is that this guy believes that Joseph Prince doesn't teach that God wills all of his believers to be rich. I agree, God gives much or little according to his will, he made no promise of us all owning big houses or having a successful career.

Nope. I am able to have the facts to counter their arguments.

Most of the time, they look very silly doing that.

They have to end up calling me names at the end.

I am not there nowadays. But you know I was there in the past.

I did b4. I think you saw that.
But then, what end up happening was that they started using names on me.
I am confident because I tend to look at things from a deeper point of view. The issue with Athiest is, they only look at the surface. But they cannot deal with the deeper issues.
That is what happens when you try to remove the spiritual aspect of things. You lose the "flavour". God is a spiritual being. So truth can only be fully understood when you look at it from a spiritual point of view and not just a materialistic point of view.

The thing is, when people have no interest in the truth, they will try all means to suppress it. Even using the most absurd means. No integrity at all. No matter how much you say, they will always suppress the truth.

As for right now, I do have more urgent things to do and I am not convicted to do anything right now.

Just because there's name calling, it does not mean I should let name calling affect me from spreading the truth.
If I stand on the truth, whatever name calling they do on me, is only testiment that they are on the wrong. Yes, I do gain from that satisfaction. I feel satisfied when people have to resort to name calling to win the argument because that is to me the ultimate victory. When others have to resort to name calling, it means that I am even more convince of the truth.

The bible talks about entertaining vain phillosophies of the world. It talks about the "foolishness" of the truth. But then, it also says that eventually the "foolishness" of the truth will triumph the wisdom of the world. I do not think it talks about sily arguments.

You see, my mind set is different from yours. I do not need seek approval.

In fact, even to my pastor, I can discuss my disagreements to him. Yes, telling the church that you disagree with them on certain things will lead to you being more isolated but then that is what truth is about.

In fact, truth will cause even your own family to hate you.

If you are so afraid of proclaiming the truth, you are not worthy to be Jesus disciple.

Are you reformed? Haha. Have you read his strange fire book?

I'm not dwelling on Prince as a controversy btw. The context of  the argument is that UK was defending a bunch of false teachers and saying that they didn't preach the prosperity gospel. I went from arguing why it isn't wrong for a Christian to call out false teachers and why Joseph prince is a prosperity gospel teacher. I believe it's an important issue although I think the prosperity gospel is so obviously false: but because of the anti intellectual culture we have here in Malaysia, many Christians succumb to it. If Christians cannot even discern between prosperity theology and the real thing, how much more will they be vulnerable to stuff from the new atheists.

Nope.
The bible says explicitly that Christians will be hated for proclaiming the truth.

The thing is truth seperates.

I am debating with them not out of spikefulness, but then out of love for the truth. When people spit on the truth, it makes me very angry.

I never said I hate them. 

When I told my pastor that my views is different, it's not out of spikefulness. It's because my conscience tells me that if I do not agree with what the pastor says, I need to tell the pastor. Of course I have to do so in a nice way, but I do not have the conscience to nod my head in agreement with whatever the pastor says just to get his approval.

UW, why are you always assuming things. How old are you? I thought there is an age whereby people stop assuming things.
I never said I hate anyone. In fact, I really do not hate you. I just hate the way you keep on misrepresenting truth again and again.
PS: Decky, now you know why I do not post in this thread anymore. You see, most people here do not even know their fundamentals. That is why I decided not to waste my time debating. But then you are an exception to the case.

Well,
I never deny that.

I said that their behavior is comparable to the pharaisees. The pharaisees were people who knew the scriptures but still deny the truth when the truth was presented to them. I see a similar pattern overhere.
The thing is, when people deny truth to such a degree, I seriously doubt that the HS is in them. The bible talks about condemnation of false teachers. I see someone over here who is close to being that (not refering to you by the way).

One good example, it is well documented that Kong Hee has done many things. Yet, he is still promoted over here. After making Christians downgrade their apartment and yet he lives in luxury, this guy is still promoted over here. If you do not get angry something is wrong with you.  Even non believers are angry with him. Christians are supposed to have a higher standard.

It's not just about understanding of scriptures. It's about denying the truth.

The thing is, yes, I was probably angry with you. But then, I do not keep my anger inside. Because after all, it will not profit me. I keep my anger within this thread that's all.

A problem that is evident not just in this thread but in Malaysia as a whole is the fact that these Christians understand Jesus only in the sense of him being a nice guy to the poor and the sinful (which we ought to), but they never seem to see him as ruler and judge.

You're absolutely right in saying that we aren't to be surprised when people make us their enemies because we proclaim the truth. The gospel is offensive because it tells people that they are sinners in the hands of an angry God but God, out of his great love and mercy saved them. I don't understand how so many Christians seem to think that if you make someone your enemy during evangelism, it's your fault and you're doing it wrong. I agree that we have to be graceful with our words and respond in love and patience in what we do, but we shouldn't compromise on the truth to please people.

I find it hard to preach the gospel to my non Christian friends precisely because of this: I care too much about what people think and not what God thinks. But that is sin.

UW, read the bible as a whole again and tell me where God promises all his people (including us) that we will prosper? Note the quantifier ALL. You've shifted your stance about th right to call out false teachers, good. Remember, Prince statement is that God PROMISES that ALL of us as believers will prosper and succeed in this life simply because we read the bible. Again, I am not saying that we should all be poor, I am simply against the teaching that by being a Christian, you will be materially rich (that is what the word prosper means).