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DUMC is quite a big church. I sit alone too, what's the big deal? You go to church to hear sermons not seeing other people hugging each other.
It's a health condition, he suffers panic attack & anxiety.LYN Christian Fellowship V8 (Group)
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Jan 23 2015, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jan 23 2015, 09:37 PM) God was the creator, he created everything from the smallest microns to the largest celestial bodies. Jesus existed with God the Father not as. The Holy Trinity has always baffled the human mind for centuries. The verse John 1:1 also proved that Jesus has and existed as God the Father in the beginning. Then God sent Him to earth to fulfill the prophecy. Jesus died on the cross to bear our sins. Jesus rose again and ascended to Heaven. Jesus will come back again to build the New Heaven. Is it something like that? Yup. The entire creation, Universe, Galaxies. Truly Amazing. |
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Jan 23 2015, 09:47 PM
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Jan 24 2015, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 23 2015, 11:36 PM) can you and all lawyers here confirm that you know 100% of GOD's knowledge ? answer is no. Lawyers? the conclusion is, you know only partial truth... partial truth is not truth at all therefore use faith for grey areas... because, what else you can propose ? The Bible is 100% God's knowledge. I can rest and trust in it. There's no partial truth. Either it's the truth or it's not. Gray areas? Give example then we talk. Bribe does not fall under gray area. It's written very clear, God is against Bribing. |
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Jan 24 2015, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 08:11 AM) read carefully. Why don't you read carefully? I'm not a lawyer. You, not bible. lawyers not bible. The devils are tricking you all, thinking you know bible = you know GOD... it's wrong... knowing GOD never hit 100%... there are new knowledge of GOD every morning. This is the basic spiritual warfare, that is, our bible knowledge never hit 100%, because nobody measures GOD in the labs before. Whatever new "knowledge" cannot replace or contradict the Bible. That is something that nobody can dispute. *The devil is also tricking you, making you think this is about competition about who is better. Using your pride to motivate you. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 24 2015, 08:16 AM |
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Jan 24 2015, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 08:26 AM) when anybody put moral law to hindrance spreading of gospel, you became lawyer. This has nothing to do with hindering the spread of the gospel but acknowledging in your heart and mind that sin is wrong. take it further about bribing. If you became dogmatic bribing is wrong, you became lawyer. then you are not in rest with calvary church leadership when they procure permit to build bukit jalil church (feel free to convince me bukit jalil is bribe free) then you are not in rest with all the minister here that bribes authority to minister to anywhere in this earth it's fine... you stay with your conviction, me, calvary church leadership, and all minister that do bribing for gospel we have CHRIST that defends us... while all the lawyers washed their hand telling we don't have faith... in CHRIST there are exceptions, and we called it GOD's grace. God's Grace does not change that. The purpose of God's grace is to lead people out of sin, not cause anyone to remain in it or to say never mind or even to love sin. It's there for people who don't know how to get out of it or don't have the strenght. Not for people like you to turn it into license to do whatever you want as you so believe when you say "everything is permissible" If that is the case then killing is also no longer wrong. Then you'll tell me watching pornography is also not wrong. Why don't you tell me now visiting prostitute is also not wrong, it doesn't kill anyone. You can go on further to use "In christ there are exception" to everything that you like or don't like, according to your whim and fancy. That is not what Christ teaches. Don't talk about what is small sin or big sin, they are all sin. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 24 2015, 08:40 AM |
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Jan 24 2015, 08:42 AM
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Jan 24 2015, 09:06 AM
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Jan 24 2015, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 24 2015, 09:06 AM) Yaokb gave some valuable advice...now I am feeling better. Yes.My heart was beating a lot...worry all the way before this. Then Yaokb told me to look at things positively, positive faith. Would I be correct to say, whenever I think things will work out for me in God's favour, my prayers be answered? Yesterday I slept better, I thought of all positive stuff. Like the people whom I know who work hard for God in the ministries, the good things they do, I just thought about it before I go to sleep. I feel I am the driver of my body. I am like driving a car. If I am worried and panic, the car will be swerving left and right. If I am thinking positive and focus on the good stuff and teachings of the Lord, my car is stable. Yeah, I know the Enemy will try to feed my mind with negative thoughts, especially about my ex. When the enemy told me, hey your ex is going out with other guys...I just block it out and say, so be it, good for her, if she finds someone she is happy with, I am happy...I forgive and let go...I don't own anything, only by God's will he gives me what I need. Perhaps next time when I get into a spiritual attack, I should tell the Enemy...In the Name of Jesus....I bind you and cast out your evil words. Because ,For example, a cancer patient who is an atheist can think with all the positivity that he wants, but that doesn't his condition. A Believer who thinks positive for his condition will likewise cause nothing to happen. But A Believer who puts his Faith in God, now that's basically the privilege you have, as highlighted in bold above. |
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Jan 24 2015, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 09:12 AM) yes, if i have ticket to indonesia and disappear in china so i will not go to jail in malaysia. This is the problem, De1929, you have learned wrongly and thus you believe wrongly.i have measure of faith... if GOD didn't give me strength / skill / ticket to disappear from killing my neighbour, than confirm it's not from GOD. I believe GOD is my provider, that's my faith... here is the test, if there is no provision, then i will not do it. I think i already wrote in other posts... GOD's will is GOD's bill.... -- answer UW question, don't add here and there -- YES This is how cult is born, this is how heresy happens. De1929, you cannot interpret the Bible as you like. From the answer you've given above, you are lost in your faith. You don't know what you believe in. You have thread beyond dangerous line. I'm sorry but this time, you are wrong. |
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 09:32 AM) No i am right... you lawyers are wrong. You teach partial truth. If anyone teach from the Bible, that is complete truth, not partial truth.again post #2454 will be hope for anybody to preach the GOSPEL with / without bribery.. and don't forget, calvary church sure bribe somebody to build the biggest church in malaysia. https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...entry72666454 Anything outside of the Bible still needs to fall back on the Bible as the principal guideline whether it's right or wrong. If you don't believe context is important If you don't believe bible is important How can you be right? You cannot. How do you know they bribe? Do you have evidence or you just heard rumour? |
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 08:39 AM) The Bible state you shall not murder, not kill. God meant not kill with your own judgement.Most of the killing that happened in the OT was under the direction of God, to destroy any enemies that came against Israel. Murder is wrong and is a sin. Killing may not be, for example killing an ant. Taking another person life is wrong in today's context because, Jesus says to love your enemy, not kill him, do not repay evil with evil but with Good. If Jesus says that, how can you accept so called god's voice telling you to kill your neighbour is right? QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 09:54 AM) eh be careful with your wishes.. if you asked and HE gives you... it's not me to judge HIS decision okay ... No such thing, Bible is very clear on this, a man can only have 1 wife. (1 Timothy 3:2 & Luke 16:18)Again, you're teaching something that is false. |
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Jan 24 2015, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 10:42 AM) The whole essence of christianity is not yes / no, but doing our FATHER's will. One of them winning soul, raise family, etc. You created that concept? the moral law suppose to facilitate above, but if it counter productive and become hindrance, exception are ready. exceptions can be granted for special circumstances. Who can provide exception ? only HS. Therefore my teaching is ask HS... bill wilson has exception. calvary bukit chappel has exception. cuz they know bible does teach about exceptions. it's called GOD's grace. more sin more grace. Roman 5:20. about calvary bukit chappel sorry i am not convinced it's bribe free... so it's you that need to provide evidence to satisfy my common sense... or i stay not convinced. No evidence, means your own assumption, also means not a fact. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 24 2015, 10:58 AM |
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 10:49 AM) finally getting realistic... hallelujah.. When you said you will take your neighbour's life because you heard god's voice telling you, that is murder in today's context.1. about killing, you have point. but bible does gives exceptions. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/10/i..._n_5800320.html I believe those troops (some of them christian) don't want to kill, but obama in his capacity must do things in his capacity... and this is not OT. 2. about wive for leonhart sure 1 wife cuz he's not married. Have you ever counsel somebody with 2 wives ? ask to divorce them ? no... bible gives exception... i called it ask HS. isnt' it that malaysian churches are not ready to accept bumi moslem with more than 1 or 2 wives ? cuz churches still not familiar with exceptions... And is against what Jesus teaches when he say to love your enemies. You Contradict. Sorry in the Bible, don't have this "exception", you created that concept, yourself. |
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 11:12 AM) I am not contradict. Jesus teaches a lot of things. not only love your enemies... but also remove your enemies. OT describes it well. Jesus teach to remove your enemies? i don't have to kill myself... i can hire hitman e.g. QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 11:13 AM) feel free.. i sue you in front of CHRIST... maybe i win, maybe i lost... ready for spiritual warfare with me ? No you don't get me, you say you use faith to confirm that Calvary uses Bribe, even saying evidence is not important. Common sense and your faith prevail over evidence.I now say by my faith you're really a donkey in nature. It's okay when you use Faith to accuse but it's not okay for you when other people use faith to accuse. Do you see how flipflop you are? See this is the thing you don't understand, we are trying to guide and teach you, but you think we're trying to fight you. You cannot teach or guide. You have problem understanding people's sentences, you make too many assumptions in the wrong context. Spiritual warfare is not against people. How to have spiritual warfare with you? Punch you in the spirit? Do you know what is spiritual warfare? This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 24 2015, 11:23 AM |
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 11:35 AM) sorry miscommunication. i think u know my value lah... Sorry to say there's no exception in defining bribery is a sin and wrong. You created your own concept that it's an exception.When you reply in post: 2521 i tot the "concept" meaning the whole conversation not only the bribing part. I already fixed 2522... my mistake to understand post 2521... Bible never say so. QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 12:06 PM) Jesus teach to remove your enemy... no Just now you said Yes, now you say No?Jesus teach to love your enemy...yes bible is complete... yes david kills in OT... yes obama ordered US troops to kill ISIS... yes. what' to conclude ? can i kill people... read my whole post earlier lah... still the same value, still the same mindset Always changing your mind? So how to trust what you say since you seem to change your mind the moment it doesn't favor you? |
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 24 2015, 01:16 PM) You live yours, i live my conviction. The strong one rules... hehehe... In other words you admitted you've created your own version of Christianity. only typo sorry Jesus in NT teaches exatcly like you teach. Jesus in OT (i called it GOD) told David to kill philistines. ended up same lahh... same GOD anyway... You live yours, i live my conviction. The strong one rules... hehehe... You have nothing to based on, not even the Bible as you adamantly refuse to accept that context in the Bible is important. How many typos you want to apologize before you stumble other Christian brothers/sisters with your baseless teaching? You have walked beyond dangerous ground when you admit you will even kill a person IF God's voice tells you to (I don't know if you're trolling or not) I am very convinced you are lost & confused. There is no such thing as the strong one rules, therefore his conviction is the truth. That is childish. If you think that The Strong one rules, this verse will apply against you. Zechariah 4:6 Now you are going against the principal of God with your own might & power (strong one rule). (2 Corinthians 12:9) May God have mercy on you before your pride becomes your downfall. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 24 2015, 06:23 PM |
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 24 2015, 01:48 PM) Aiya I feel uncomfortable seeing my fellow brethren fight. I apologize for this, you are the one in need of support and help.I myself kena so many spiritual attack from the enemy projecting my worries over my age and finding life partner. I know where we should point our shield at, and not each other. But this must be equally dealt with otherwise there might be more people falling into a blind pit hole. |
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